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09-04-2007, 11:59 AM #61
Hey jad628, is there a WalMart near ya?
They have it for 19.97 in a 5 quart container.
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09-04-2007, 12:10 PM #62I'm gonna give it a stab, first of all these tests were performed with fresh oil and as you can see, M1's shear numbers pretty much sucked, it did however produce the most HP, question is, how long does that ability last?
In the 0 up to 40 weight category, it seems Mobil's new 0W-40 produces terrific power, insignificant viscosity loss and a middle-to-fair wear particles rating.
It wouldn't matter in a race car would it? They can change the oil every race.
But for us driving street/track cars, it does matter.
Right from the start it's giving bad shear numbers, which Sarge and others have shown is the case when used on their own cars.
The actual wear numbers reported were better than average, and better than both Castrols, Torco, and Royal Purple! According to their own data the 0-40 Mobil actually did better than the 5-50, so it should have ranked 6th.
So how long it can hold any increase in HP is very questionable and metal is shearing away right from the getgo.
99.99% of the people want the least amount of wear on the engine unless they have money to burn for engine rebuilds...like...a...race...team...does.
Again, would like to see the same test performed on street oil, at fresh startup and after 2000 miles, then you have something to look at.
Would also like to see it done by an independent lab, not one with an obvious bias.
Now let me back you into a corner, based on this test...and this test alone...what oil would you rather have in your 2002 red WS6 T/A???
To more accurately answer your question, after closer examination of this test I plan on switching to Mobil 1 0w-40 viscosity oil in my TA. I will take any performance edge I can get this easily.
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09-04-2007, 12:11 PM #63
ain't even gonna read all that, send me an email with an attachment on this thesis paper.
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09-04-2007, 01:09 PM #64They clearly stated;insignificant viscosity loss... I'll take the 9 extra HP thank you!
I change my oil about every 2k to 3k miles which is plenty often enough.
The actual wear numbers reported were better than average, and better than both Castrols, Torco, and Royal Purple! According to their own data the 0-40 Mobil actually did better than the 5-50, so it should have ranked 6th.
They clearly stated no viscosity breakdown, which is one the reasons people buy synthetics. Most quality filters are good for about 3 to 5 microns, so the
This is true, but what they don't tell you is the difference between all these oils when changed at regular intervals is pretty hard to discern. At 150,000 miles who cares? If you want the absolute least wear, go with a thicker viscosity oil that uses more gas and makes less HP.
At 2000 miles I'm already thinking about changing it.
I would say if there is an obvious bias here, and if there is one it's pro AMSOIL, not Mobil 1.
I have always run Mobil 1 in all my cars, motorcycles, lawn tractor, pressure washer, portable generator, etc. since the mid to late 70's. I always run 15w-50 in my air cooled engines. I currently run Mobil 1 SuperSyn full synthetic 5w-30 and Mobil 1 filter year round in all my cars. This is the same oil factory recommended for Chevrolet Corvette, Cadillac, Mercedes Benz AMG, Porsche, Dodge Viper, and Dodge SRT....
To more accurately answer your question, after closer examination of this test I plan on switching to Mobil 1 0w-40 viscosity oil in my TA. I will take any performance edge I can get this easily.
As I see it, your ignoring the fact that this test was done for a very short time, those wear numbers were right away, not after 2000 miles which means they increase exponentially, same thing with the viscosity breakdown, at what equivalent amount of miles was this test done at?
Was it 10? 20? 50? 100? 500? a thousand? If it was just an engine on a dyno, how many hours are we talking?
I really can't figure out why your such a fanboy when you don't drive an F1 car, and the wear numbers are middle of the road for a high priced "synthetic" but hey whatever floats your boat.
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09-04-2007, 01:54 PM #65
i would rather not get the extra 9 hp that i prolly wont ever feel for the longer lasting more happy and healthy engine
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09-04-2007, 02:28 PM #66As I see it, your ignoring the fact that this test was done for a very short time, those wear numbers were right away, not after 2000 miles which means they increase exponentially, same thing with the viscosity breakdown, at what equivalent amount of miles was this test done at?
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=538098
i would rather not get the extra 9 hp that i prolly wont ever feel for the longer lasting more happy and healthy engine
You know it's funny, because there are still know-nothings out there that believe if you run a synthetic when an engine is new the rings won't seat properly. Seems like there is just as much myth and misinformation at both ends of the spectrum.Last edited by VTR99; 09-04-2007 at 02:36 PM.
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09-04-2007, 02:52 PM #67
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09-04-2007, 02:59 PM #68
Yes, that's what we all said, M1 is bad for your engine, most engine's that run M1 three times successively blow up, lots of engine and hood damage from running M1 and crashes lots of race cars running M1 crash more often than race cars that don't run M1, it's a fact...look it up.
Oh, and when your T/A gets to a million miles lemme know.
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09-04-2007, 03:00 PM #69Different oil goes into those race cars. The on the counter stuff isn't the same.
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09-04-2007, 03:10 PM #70
Do you people actually buy products just because race teams are sponsered by them. Mobil offers to give a race team FREE oil plus millions of dollars to put a Mobil 1 on there car for the year. Just because a team usese mobil one in there race car does not mean it is the oil they prefer. Also mobil one is shoting for teams that win hence best teams run M1. M1 is the most well known name an easly makes more money than any other oil out there so they obviously can out bid other oil companys for the best teams.
As already stated this is not the same oil you and I put in our cars its is a special blend for the racing conditions. Oil in these cars is changed at them minimum every race and engines are torn down rebuilt or replaced every race. These race teams proabably go threw more oil in 1 year than and one of use in our lifetime. Its all great marketing but I don't buy stuff because it's on the side of a car.
I'm not arguing what oil is better I'm just stating facts here why one race team uses a certain oil over another.
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09-04-2007, 03:25 PM #71
are you for real?! when th F did i say it was bad for your engine. i have used M1 before and i have it in one of z28's right now. i'll be swapping it for pp soon tho. i never said it was bad for you engine, just that it will not protect as well as others-amsoil or pp! are you afraid the M1 sales are gonna drop if you dont convince everyone on here that it has been touched by God?
Where is your evidence that it is the same stuff?
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09-04-2007, 03:25 PM #72As already stated this is not the same oil you and I put in our cars its is a special blend for the racing conditions.
Last edited by VTR99; 09-04-2007 at 03:45 PM.
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09-04-2007, 03:34 PM #73
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09-04-2007, 03:45 PM #74Where is your evidence that it is the same stuff?
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09-04-2007, 03:59 PM #75
Wal-Mart Hi-Tech Synthetic 0W/40 ~ cheap & gets the job done ! A Wix or K&N Gold filter. Install a magnetic oil drain plug & magnetic filter jacket.
Then throw in some Z-Max for good measure & wait for the oil moniter to come on before changing. Simple as that . Nuff said .
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09-04-2007, 04:02 PM #76
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09-04-2007, 04:25 PM #77
Here you are sir. Although they don't specically say we use differnent oil than a regular joe can get at walmart. They do mention blending for optimum performance. I don't know about you but I sure as all hell don't know what that blend is. Team mclearn has there own M1 member at every track to anaylis the best oil options if the blend needs tweaking he tweaks it. Again two different teams two different oil companies both making the same claims, better power, fuel economy and less wear. Most all oil company that are in raceing use it as a platform to develop new oil/fuel to one day use in the everyday car. It is the perfect place for them to test there oils and enhance them if it can stand the extreme punishment of racing it can take what the normal joe throws at it on the street.
http://www.azom.com/details.asp?newsID=5317
http://www.shell.com/home/content/fe...t_renewal.html
http://www.shell.com/static/ferrari-...ing_future.swf
First sentence in next link
Formula 1 is not only an image vector but also a leading-edge laboratory for developing new lubricants.
http://www.elfoil.com.au/news/articl...rformance.aspx
Last paragraph in next link
"We put a new battery in each truck at the beginning of the year and check them regularly, but unless the truck is in a wreck, we don't change them," Myers said. "We have special trucks for each track, special gears to qualify and race, even special brakes and special lubricants, but just one battery - a DieHard."
http://news.carjunky.com/nascar_fans.shtml
Also if you look into NHRA oils and moto gp oils you will find most run a top notch racing oil ranging anywhere from $12+ a quart hardly something you pick up at wal-mart of autozone. Online you can find most but not something you put in a street car.Last edited by JonB; 09-04-2007 at 06:00 PM.
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09-04-2007, 04:42 PM #78
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09-04-2007, 04:56 PM #79
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09-04-2007, 04:58 PM #80
I hear you man, I just buy good quality full syntetic oil. the brand is just not that important to me either.
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