GM Is On Strike!!!! Any Input

[Spaz]

Once again NHRA, you make me fucking sick. You must have been in a union...

These union assholes get paid more then they are worth, and have artifical job security. They fuck off? Nothing happens. They get threatened? They go on strike. The don't get that union-wide non-skill related rasie they want? They go on strike. They think that other countries are getting too much of their work... they strike. And so on.

GM ---> <--- worthless union bitches

These worthless cocksuckers need to go off and die. They get overpaid. FACT. A non-union worker doing the same job but with more skill gets paid less. Non union worker fucks off? Fired. Non-union worker wants to get payed more? He works harder. Union worker wants to get payed more? They stop working. WHAT THE FUCK SENSE DOES THAT MAKE?!?

No, they can't just up and fire them, because thats ALL OF THEIR TRAINED LABOR!! They fire them, and they'd have nobody train new people. If GM threatens in any way to limit the unions power(IE: refusing to hire new people from the union, so a strike wouldn't be crippling) THEY STRIKE. OH MY GOD. THESE FACISTS SUNSABITCHES NEED TO GO TO HEELLLLLLLL>>>>>>#@!#(!#%&#_(!%ASDAS @Q#R$%@#%^,,,,, AARTRGTGGGGGGHHHH
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I am pissed off by these self-important bastards to NO END. Seriously, shooting everyone of the union reps in the face would rebound MI and the USAs economy within months.

WHY DO YOU THINK GM IS LEAVING THE COUNTRY!??! BECAUSE OF THESE UNION ASSHOLES WHO HOLD THE POWER HERE....

AARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLLLLLLLLLASDASD:LA..... ...

Ok, I'm done.

i agree 100%

[nhraformula]

Once again NHRA, you make me fucking sick. You must have been in a union...

These union assholes get paid more then they are worth, and have artifical job security. They fuck off? Nothing happens. They get threatened? They go on strike. The don't get that union-wide non-skill related rasie they want? They go on strike. They think that other countries are getting too much of their work... they strike. And so on.

GM ---> <--- worthless union bitches

These worthless cocksuckers need to go off and die. They get overpaid. FACT. A non-union worker doing the same job but with more skill gets paid less. Non union worker fucks off? Fired. Non-union worker wants to get payed more? He works harder. Union worker wants to get payed more? They stop working. WHAT THE FUCK SENSE DOES THAT MAKE?!?

No, they can't just up and fire them, because thats ALL OF THEIR TRAINED LABOR!! They fire them, and they'd have nobody train new people. If GM threatens in any way to limit the unions power(IE: refusing to hire new people from the union, so a strike wouldn't be crippling) THEY STRIKE. OH MY GOD. THESE FACISTS SUNSABITCHES NEED TO GO TO HEELLLLLLLL>>>>>>#@!#(!#%&#_(!%ASDAS @Q#R$%@#%^,,,,, AARTRGTGGGGGGHHHH
'

I am pissed off by these self-important bastards to NO END. Seriously, shooting everyone of the union reps in the face would rebound MI and the USAs economy within months.

WHY DO YOU THINK GM IS LEAVING THE COUNTRY!??! BECAUSE OF THESE UNION ASSHOLES WHO HOLD THE POWER HERE....

AARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLLLLLLLLLASDASD:LA..... ...

Ok, I'm done.

im glad i make you sick!
companies are leaving this country, union or not.

btw, was ENRON union??
look what happened to them if you want to talk about greed.

[mnypitZ]

OK I see someone allready brought this up, but how is somebody that doesnt even need a high school diploma that screws in speakers worth $28 an hour??? They pay $10 a week for health care. What other industry does this occur? Not mine, I can assure you. I pay $40 a week for healthcare through my company and I am damn happy to have it.

This is why they are going to other countries to build cars. Can you blame them??? They cant compete.

Also, if they are not careful the company will just up and move now. I have seen it. We had a manufacturer here in Central Florida that formed a union, didnt go on strike and the company just locked the doors and moved. Yeah it will cost a fortune, but in the end will save a ton for GM. It is rumored that this is why they stopped making the f-body, just to break the union in Canada.

[nhraformula]

unions or not companies are leaving this country.
the unions have been making concessions over the last 5 years to keep companies from up and cruising.

theres a bigger problem looming in the next 10 to 15 years. while all the big companies up and leave with good paying jobs to make more profit, who the hell will be being the product these companies sell? all the good paying jobs are gone and all thats left is not much.
the companies wont be lowing prices because its now cheaper for them to be making product.
where are people going to get money to buy product?

[B34M3R]

Oh, you mean the people who are getting over-paid and get discounts anyway? Who cares.

The other 99% of america? By working our asses off like we always do. Nothing will change. Except that GM will start making money again, and the overall cheap-plasty-crap level of their cars will go away.

[B34M3R]

OK I see someone allready brought this up, but how is somebody that doesnt even need a high school diploma that screws in speakers worth $28 an hour??? They pay $10 a week for health care. What other industry does this occur? Not mine, I can assure you. I pay $40 a week for healthcare through my company and I am damn happy to have it.

This is why they are going to other countries to build cars. Can you blame them??? They cant compete.

Also, if they are not careful the company will just up and move now. I have seen it. We had a manufacturer here in Central Florida that formed a union, didnt go on strike and the company just locked the doors and moved. Yeah it will cost a fortune, but in the end will save a ton for GM. It is rumored that this is why they stopped making the f-body, just to break the union in Canada.

I get $25 a week health insurance My company has freakin awesome profit margins though...



Also, which manufacturer are you refering to?

[nhraformula]

Oh, you mean the people who are getting over-paid and get discounts anyway? Who cares.

The other 99% of america? By working our asses off like we always do. Nothing will change. Except that GM will start making money again, and the overall cheap-plasty-crap level of their cars will go away.

what do you care what people make??
sounds as if you are jealous.

[B34M3R]

Yea, I am jealous. I'm jealous of people making more money then they deserve to do easy jobs. I'm jealous of of people who have huge nice houses and all the toys they could ever dream of, while they work their 9-5 peon difficulty job and fuck off at the same time. I'm jealous of their ability to cripple one of the largest corps in the WORLD, just because they are greedy.

But most of all, I am sad. Because I can't personally fire each and every single one of the people responsible for the leaching of one of my favorite automakers, and bring their sorry ass's down to the level of every other person in America. Where you get payed based on merit. Bah, friggen commies.

[nhraformula]

Yea, I am jealous. I'm jealous of people making more money then they deserve to do easy jobs. I'm jealous of of people who have huge nice houses and all the toys they could ever dream of, while they work their 9-5 peon difficulty job and fuck off at the same time. I'm jealous of their ability to cripple one of the largest corps in the WORLD, just because they are greedy.

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if you want to talk about greed, lets talk enron, no unions there.

[nhraformula]

Yea, I am jealous. I'm jealous of people making more money then they deserve to do easy jobs. I'm jealous of of people who have huge nice houses and all the toys they could ever dream of, while they work their 9-5 peon difficulty job and fuck off at the same time. I'm jealous of their ability to cripple one of the largest corps in the WORLD, just because they are greedy.

But most of all, I am sad. Because I can't personally fire each and every single one of the people responsible for the leaching of one of my favorite automakers, and bring their sorry ass's down to the level of every other person in America. Where you get payed based on merit. Bah, friggen commies.

where is the written law that you get paid based on merit.
you seem to forget that this is the united states, capitalism is the driving force.
forcing people to get paid your way is commie.
personally i can careless what/how people get paid.

no factory or trade has to have union workers, they can fire them all after a contract is up, yet they chose not to.

bitch to the companies that have unions.

[tnthub]

This isn't about what people get paid, but entitlements earned by past workers have placed the American car manufacturers in a position of being less competitive than their foreign counterparts.

It can be rightly argued that the American manufacturers are ultimately responsible for putting themselves in this position. However withoutthe arm twisting of the unionized work force they would never have gone there.

I agree that there was a time when unionization was absolutely necessary to provide the workers income enough to earn a decent wage for decent work, but the pendulum slipped too far to the side of the worker and now the companies are paying the price by losing profit and market share.

Ultimately there needs to be a balance where their is fair pay and fair benefits that equates to the contibution of the worker. As it stands now, there is nothing fair about it and going on strike at this juncture is definitely harmful to the American companies we ultimately depend upon for our livelihood.

[B34M3R]

Ok first off: Enron = failure = punished proves my point


Uhm, hello, I think you have capitalism and communism backwards there buddy.

Capitalism is supply and demand. If there is demand for skilled labor in a field, then you will be payed well. However, what we have in GMs case, is a case of having a supply of peon-labor, and them demanding the money of skilled labor.

Forcing people to get payed my way is communism? WTF? If you do a good job, you get payed more, if you do a crap job, you dont... thats straight up capitalism there.

Communism is more like : You all get the same pay no matter how you perform. You suck? K, you get 50 cent raise. You kick ass? K, you get 50 raise too. Ohhhhhh wait that sounds familar, where have I heard about something like that recently?



And I have already said it, how to you fire the union people when your ONLY choice is all or none? It would destroy them. And the fucking power happy unions don't need a contract, if GM threatens their power by hiring too many non-union workers, THEY STRIKE. They have GM by the nuts and are putting themselves ahead of every red-blooded american in the country who drives a chevy, a buick, a caddy, a pontiac, ANYTHING. They are also willing to hurt all of the the technicans that work at the GM dealerships, who work A WHOLE HELL OF ALOT HARDER than those scum, for less money.

Fuck the union, and fuck you for supporting them.

[nhraformula]

Ok first off: Enron = failure = punished proves my point


Uhm, hello, I think you have capitalism and communism backwards there buddy.

Capitalism is supply and demand. If there is demand for skilled labor in a field, then you will be payed well. However, what we have in GMs case, is a case of having a supply of peon-labor, and them demanding the money of skilled labor.

Forcing people to get payed my way is communism? WTF? If you do a good job, you get payed more, if you do a crap job, you dont... thats straight up capitalism there.



Communism is more like : You all get the same pay no matter how you perform. You suck? K, you get 50 cent raise. You kick ass? K, you get 50 raise too. Ohhhhhh wait that sounds familar, where have I heard about something like that recently?



And I have already said it, how to you fire the union people when your ONLY choice is all or none? It would destroy them. And the fucking power happy unions don't need a contract, if GM threatens their power by hiring too many non-union workers, THEY STRIKE. They have GM by the nuts and are putting themselves ahead of every red-blooded american in the country who drives a chevy, a buick, a caddy, a pontiac, ANYTHING. They are also willing to hurt all of the the technicans that work at the GM dealerships, who work A WHOLE HELL OF ALOT HARDER than those scum, for less money.

Fuck the union, and fuck you for supporting them.

first off, get a real car, then go fuck yourself.

capitalism= a business doing what they want.
once again, they can get rid of a union if they so desire.

[B34M3R]

You're losing so you had to pull the car card

A business doing what they want... yea firing all of their manufactering employees and putting themselves out of business... thats OBVIOUSLY what they would want.

I give up, you have a brick wall up that is impervious to common sense. Its kinda like arguing with eddie, but at least his replys are entertaining.


Oh, and for the record... are you a member of a union?

[nhraformula]

You're losing so you had to pull the car card

A business doing what they want... yea firing all of their manufactering employees and putting themselves out of business... thats OBVIOUSLY what they would want.

I give up, you have a brick wall up that is impervious to common sense. Its kinda like arguing with eddie, but at least his replys are entertaining.


Oh, and for the record... are you a member of a union?

currently not a member. im management.

common sense is, GM signed a contract with the union. NOBODY made the company do that.
they could of prepaired in case of a strike/layoff yet chose not to.
they could of been training replacement workers long ago, yet chose not to.
they have operations in mexico and other countries that are non union so they could of trained people at those plants yet chose not to.
im not winning or losing this debate, im just throwing out the flipside of your stance.

[B34M3R]

They can't be training replacement workers, because the union will retaliate.
They can't train people in other countries to work here.
The union got its roots back in the day when employers were the ones fuckin over the workers.... and now the tide has shifted dramaticly.

Do you know what is the major reason GM started almost making money these last 2 years?
The settlement buyouts for union employees. They offered these guys 100k or so a pop, and are ALREADY making their money back off those actions. They can not simply just fire everybody, they don't have the power to anymore, as sad as it is. And the union knows it. So they use their power to get whatever they want. Its completely pathetic, unamerican, and SAD.

[nhraformula]

Its completely pathetic, unamerican, and SAD.

Captialism

[nhraformula]

They can't train people in other countries to work here.

why not?
there are jobs that train abroad.

[greatwhiteZ28]

strike is now over since 3;oo AM

[b.lee]

strike is now over since 3;oo AM

thank god.
they were killing tons of other peoples jobs as there are many companies that supply GM in the area.
Ida flipped them the bird if i drove by there.