04 Mach 1 vs 02 ZO6

[djvaly]

Sure, the mach has less hp, but i believe it weighs less, plus it has a steeper first and second gear. Accelaration is not a problem with these cars, trust me. Sure my car is modded but i barely lost to the zo6 without any motor work. I was quite happy with the cars prefrormance!

yeah, ur nicely moded.. put a supercharger on it and u hang with the c6 z06..
that be nice ehh?

[Mach1Mustang]

yeah, ur nicely moded.. put a supercharger on it and u hang with the c6 z06..
that be nice ehh?

Yep, that would be nice. But why do that when a 100 shot could do that?

[mrr23]

because, the bottle only lasts so long.

[Mach1Mustang]

yes, but it last long enough to win!!!

[djvaly]

heh, he said "win".. long term is the goal.

[Angus66]

Last weekend me and a friend ran at the drag strip. He ran a 8.230 @ 89.7 mph and i ran a 8.233 @86.3. The last night we rolled off from a 60 roll on the interstate. I knew he was going to win but by how much was the question. We ran to 120 or so and he had me by about a car, maybe a tad more. His car is stock with less than 5k miles. I also got to drive it yesterday, wow, it drives really good.

Way to represent the Machs!

Mach 1 is like 30hp flywheel less than LS1.

My Mach dynoed 282 rwhp when it was completely stock, which equates to ~ 330 flywheel hp assuming 15% drivetrain loss.

Sounds like about the same hp to me.

take a Cobra and take away the supercharger, and u have Mach1,..

Not even close.

The only major things shared between the two engines are:

Heads
Camshafts
Forged Steel Crakshaft

Pretty much everything else is different.

with regards to Mach1 stock running 13.2s, possible but very slim. We LS1 run low 13s.. like 13.3, 13.4 all day.. Mach 1 I think more like mid and up 13s...

I ran a 13.4 @ 104 mph my 1st-time out completely stock with a poor 2.19 60' time.

Many stock Mach's have ran faster/quicker & a small amount have run high 12's with great drivers & track conditions.

Sounds like the same ET's as the fastest LS1 F-Bodies to me.

yeah they're way better than GT..

At least you got ONE thing right...

yeah, ur nicely moded.. put a supercharger on it and u hang with the c6 z06..
that be nice ehh?

Who needs a supercharger?

I've raced about a 1/2-dozen ZO6's at the track & haven't lost to any of them...

[T/A Barracus]

Way to represent the Machs!



My Mach dynoed 282 rwhp when it was completely stock, which equates to ~ 330 flywheel hp assuming 15% drivetrain loss.

Sounds like about the same hp to me.

That may be true with 98 to 2000 LS1's, but 01 & 02 LS1's dyno much more than 282. I dyno'd 319 RWHP and 333 RWTQ.

Truth is a stock Mach vs stock LS1 is a drivers race, w/ maybe a slight advantage going to an 01 - 02 LS1, but not much. Despite the HP difference of the LS1 the Machs run nearly just as well.

[Pythias]

That may be true with 98 to 2000 LS1's, but 01 & 02 LS1's dyno much more than 282. I dyno'd 319 RWHP and 333 RWTQ.

Truth is a stock Mach vs stock LS1 is a drivers race, w/ maybe a slight advantage going to an 01 - 02 LS1, but not much. Despite the HP difference of the LS1 the Machs run nearly just as well.

Wat was different in 01/02???

[djvaly]

Mach1 is less impressive than LS1 in every aspect, looks, track, performance..

yep the stock 01-02 LS1 will easily do 13.2-13.1 at track all day.. even high 12's but that's rare.. your Mach1 stock will pull at best 13.4.. they have 40 less hp and 15lb-ft less than stock 98-99 LS1, and we do 13.3-13.4 all day..
so don't worry about what the other Mach1 people tell you, it is physically imposible to have less power and torque and have better times, unless u get sticky tires, stall etc.. but we are talking bone stock here. so get your facts right bud...

stock per stock at flywheel:
Mach1: 305hp @ 5800 rpm
320lb-ft @ 4000rpm

LS1 TA (98-00)
340hp@5200
335lb-ft @ 4000

LS1 TA (01-02)
355hp@5200
340lb-ft@4000

car weight: 3450-3500lbs on both, so no factor there

[Pythias]

Why is that though? What differences were there in 01/02 to do that? And was it only those years? What aboutb 00?

[djvaly]

Wat was different in 01/02???

LS6 intake manifold gives them 10rwhp, and a few other minor changes..
they do 300rwhp easy. 98-99 do 290rwhp.. GM underrated LS1 engines,, so
don't be fooled by 310hp claim, it's actually 345-350 flywheel.

[T/A Barracus]

Wat was different in 01/02???

The 01 & 02's had the LS6 intake & clutch. I do believe they also had a bit more of an aggressive cam.

[Angus66]

Mach1 is less impressive than LS1 in every aspect, looks, track, performance..

yep the stock 01-02 LS1 will easily do 13.2-13.1 at track all day.. even high 12's but that's rare.. your Mach1 stock will pull at best 13.4.. they have 40 less hp and 15lb-ft less than stock 98-99 LS1, and we do 13.3-13.4 all day..
so don't worry about what the other Mach1 people tell you, it is physically imposible to have less power and torque and have better times, unless u get sticky tires, stall etc.. but we are talking bone stock here. so get your facts right bud...

stock per stock at flywheel:
Mach1: 305hp @ 5800 rpm
320lb-ft @ 4000rpm

LS1 TA (98-00)
340hp@5200
335lb-ft @ 4000

LS1 TA (01-02)
355hp@5200
340lb-ft@4000

car weight: 3450-3500lbs on both, so no factor there

You need to get your facts right.

The '03 & '04 Machs were under-rated @ 305/320 ('03) and 310/320 ('04), since they have dynoed as high as 295 rwhp/315 rwtq completely stock.

Mine dynoed 281.6 rwhp/305.6 rwtq as-delivered from the factory. Factor in 15% driveline loss & you get 331.29 crank hp & 359.53 rwtq. That's quite a bit higher than 305/320 isn't it?

13.4 - 13.5 is an average time for a stock Mach 1 - many have run 13.0 - 13.1 in factory trim & a few have run 12.8's - 12.9's bone-stock - just like the fastest LS1 F-Bodies.

Achieving those kind of times with slightly less rwhp/rwtq is a result of the Machs transmission gearing (manual-trans Machs have a 3.38 1st gear) and a more aggressive 3.55 rear gear.

Just for the record, it is very possible to have less rwhp/rwtq & run better times than another more powerful car.

My Mach is living proof of that - it runs mid/lower 11's and has a LOT less rwhp/rwtq than you'd think. It's still on the stock long-block too BTW with NO POWER-ADDER needed to run that fast/quick.

But that's physically impossible, right???

[djvaly]

hmm. that's not what I see at the track, stock Mach1 does 13.4 at best..
you still haven't learned anything... get the facts right.
there could be monster Mach1 from factory inching low 13's and high 12's.
haven't seen one yet, it also depends on altitude and weather factors..
your claim may happen but it is not the consistent numbers...

[tonyjnjz]

ive NEVER ever heard that that engine dynos high......actually ive heard that it dynos LOW on the 01s and before so svt looked into it.,.what kind of dyno did u have it dynoed on??? .....now the 03-04 cobras?? thats a diff story..ive heard everywhere of those dynoing high.....just so u know im not just saying this to bash mustangs.....ive also raced an 01 cobra in my 99 stock 6 speed from about a 70 rolll on up......he got far in my rearview from about 130 on......had him by about 3 cars at that point..guess they run out of steam up top

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

03/04 Mach is much better than a 01 Cobra.

[djvaly]

ive NEVER ever heard that that engine dynos high......actually ive heard that it dynos LOW on the 01s and before so svt looked into it.,.what kind of dyno did u have it dynoed on??? .....now the 03-04 cobras?? thats a diff story..ive heard everywhere of those dynoing high.....just so u know im not just saying this to bash mustangs.....ive also raced an 01 cobra in my 99 stock 6 speed from about a 70 rolll on up......he got far in my rearview from about 130 on......had him by about 3 cars at that point..guess they run out of steam up top

+1 I am not bashing anybody, there's some mosters stock LS1 out there doing 12.9 stock,, never seen one either and never seen Mach1 do less than 13.4 and I go to the track here in Ennis TX quite a lot..

[tonyjnjz]

aparently im missinformed hot black trasam......how is the 03-04 mach engine diff from the 01 cobra engine??? i thought it was basicly the same ...4.6 4v putting down 300/320........specs the same...???? explain

[Angus66]

hmm. that's not what I see at the track, stock Mach1 does 13.4 at best..
you still haven't learned anything... get the facts right.
there could be monster Mach1 from factory inching low 13's and high 12's.
haven't seen one yet, it also depends on altitude and weather factors..
your claim may happen but it is not the consistent numbers...

So the small number of stock Mach's you've seen run at the track represent the entire spectrum of what they can run?

WOW - how could anyone argue with that?

FWIW - I've never seen any stock LS1 F-Body run under a 13.6 in the 1/4.

But just because I haven't seen it personally doesn't mean I'm so close-minded that I can't accept that it can & does happen.

You're not arguing your point from a position of knowledge or "Facts" BTW - just limited personal experience & opinion.

I however, maintain & update the "Official" 1/4-mile ET list on the biggest Mach 1 site on the internet (The Mach 1 Registry), so I've seen & validated more Mach 1/4-mile timeslips (both stock & modded) than you'll likely ever see in your lifetime.

[tonyjnjz]

u didnt answer my question????