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03-01-2006, 08:06 PM #41
Originally Posted by BillyT
. I'm sorry BillyT, I will stay out of your bitching, complaining, gay ass threads. When I make a thread I try and make it not about complaining. Rather, Interesting, Fun, or something i can have a friendly post with others.
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03-01-2006, 08:12 PM #42
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03-01-2006, 10:01 PM #43
Originally Posted by Mr. CarelessAndImprudent
Because it is used in the NEGATIVE.
It's when it's used in the POSITIVE as in "They are good anymore" that it's that odd regional usage as stated in the THE DICTIONARY.
an•y•more P Pronunciation Key ( n -môr , -m r )
adv.
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a. Any longer; at the present: Do they make this model anymore?
b. From now on: We promised not to quarrel anymore.
2. Chiefly Midland U.S. Nowadays.
Regional Note: In standard American English the word anymore is often found in negative sentences: They don't live here anymore. But anymore is widely used in regional American English in positive sentences with the meaning “nowadays”: “We use a gas stove anymore” (Oklahoma informant in DARE). Its use, which appears to be spreading, is centered in the South Midland and Midwestern states, as well as in the Western states that received settlers from those areas. The earliest recorded examples are from Northern Ireland, where the positive use of anymore still occurs.Last edited by BillyT; 03-01-2006 at 10:03 PM.
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03-01-2006, 10:06 PM #44
Originally Posted by Hi-Po
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03-01-2006, 10:06 PM #45
Originally Posted by Blitzed
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03-01-2006, 10:11 PM #46Although both anymore and any more are found in written use, in the 20th century anymore is the more common styling. Anymore is regularly used in negative <no one can be natural anymore -- May Sarton>, interrogative <do you read much anymore?>, and conditional <if you do that anymore, I'll leave> contexts and in certain positive constructions <the Washingtonian is too sophisticated to believe anymore in solutions -- Russell Baker>. In many regions of the U.S. the use of anymore in sense 2 is quite common in positive constructions, especially in speech <everybody's cool anymore -- Bill White> <every time we leave the house anymore, I play a game called "Stump the Housebreaker" -- Erma Bombeck>. The positive use appears to have been of Midland origin, but it is now reported to be widespread in all speech areas of the U.S. except New England.
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03-01-2006, 10:15 PM #47
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Originally Posted by BillyT
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03-01-2006, 10:20 PM #48
Here we go.
Anymore
In standard English, adverbial anymore can occur in a restricted set of contexts. Principally, it occurs in negative sentences and has the meaning of still. Also, with thesame meaning, anymore can occur in interrogative contexts, conditional contexts andfollowing pseudo-negative elements such as few and only and adversative predicates such as doubt.
The sentences in are all acceptable in standard English.
You can’t find good help anymore.
Do you talk to her anymore?
If they have them anymore, we’ll buy a couple.
Only two-income families can afford their own home anymore.
I doubt he can run that fast anymore.
In certain varieties of English, however, anymore can occur outside these contexts and in positive, declarative ones, as in.
Everybody drives a car anymore (Cassidy 1985)
Cod are scarce anymore (Fee and McAlpine 1997)
The meaning, however, in these contexts changes; rather than having the sense of still, it now has that of nowadays or lately. DARE gives the geographical distribution in the United States as the whole country, with the least frequency in New England (Cassidy 1985). Labov has a more restricted distribution, placing it in the Midwest and Philadelphia and having it absent in New York as well as New England (Labov 1991). In Canada, the distribution is Newfoundland, Prince Edward Island and pockets of Ontario (Fee and McAlpine 1997). No mention of the usage is made in the national dictionaries of Australia,New Zealand or South Africa. No mention is made in a dictionary of Caribbean English, although there are citations of any in positive contexts (Allsopp 1996). In the Old World, Scottish English has anymore in a positive context (Eitner 1991). The purpose of this paper is to discuss claims made about the origin, the social distribution and the semantics of this usage in North America, using data from the Dialect Topography database of the four project regions completed to date.
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In the United States, those areas distinguished by positive anymore attach no social implications to the usage (Bryant 1962, Cassidy 1985, Labov 1991). It is found across the socio-economic spectrum, and its use betrays no particular level of education. Beyond these areas, however, the usage does draw notice, and at least some prescriptivists see it as somewhat of a barbarism. As such, the usage may not be seen simply as a regionalism but may bear social significance as well, particularly if used by those outside positive anymore regions. Judging by the response levels of the perceptual question, it is clear that neither the Golden Horseshoe nor the Ottawa Valley are full-fledged positive anymore regions. Its presence, however, is discernable and may be predicated by social factors.Last edited by BillyT; 03-01-2006 at 10:30 PM.
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03-01-2006, 10:24 PM #49
Originally Posted by z_driver1
Calling someone ignorant, especially one who is trying to show they do have a knowledge of something, is very much dergoatory.
If I was posting about handguns as if I know something about them, and then you tell me I am ignorant about them, do you seriously believe that is not offensive?
ig·no·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.Last edited by BillyT; 03-01-2006 at 10:30 PM.
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03-01-2006, 10:39 PM #50
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exactly, you were responding to one of my posts with an answer that showed obvious ignorance to the other post I made, not being derogatory, it showed a lack of knowledge of what I had previously stated. Ignorance is not a cutdown, stupidity is. I wouldn't call it a cutdown if you said I didn't know about something, but if you told me I saw the information and was too stupid to get it through my head it would be a cutdown,. Get what I'm saying? Cause it's getting late and I'm having trouble getting words to make sentences, so I should get ot of here before it turns into even worse nonsense rambling
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03-01-2006, 10:40 PM #51
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I think we have different views on ignorance
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03-01-2006, 10:42 PM #52
Originally Posted by z_driver1
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03-01-2006, 10:43 PM #53
Originally Posted by z_driver1
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03-01-2006, 10:51 PM #54
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no, you think it's an insult and I think it's not. The meaning isn't what we disagree on
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03-01-2006, 10:54 PM #55
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Originally Posted by BillyT
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03-01-2006, 10:58 PM #56
Originally Posted by z_driver1
ig·no·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.
1. z_driver1, I want you to know that I think you're ignorant.
(This is an insult, I am suggesting you lack education or knowledge in general, probably meaning compared to most people)
2. z_driver1, I hear you talking about the English language as if you are an expert in it, by I find you to be quite ignorant of the topic.
(Again a very clear insult that needs no explanation)
3. z_driver1, I saw you talking to Mary, but I think you may be ignorant of her past.
(THAT is not an insult)
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03-01-2006, 11:06 PM #57
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#3 was my use, thanks
I know you will try to argue that, but it was in no way used in a derogatory sense, I should know, I used it. You can aruge that is is most commonly used as an insult, but that is not the intended use originally. The intended use is simply to point out a lack of knowledge on a particular topic etc. Yes yes Billy I know if can be used differently, I know. So, you don't like the new way anymore is used and you think we should stick to old school use. . .let's do it with what ingorant actually means also.
I'd love to stay and chat, but it's time for bed man. It's been nice taking my turn arguing with you knowing dang well I couldn't get anywhere, lol. It's all good BillyTeeee
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03-02-2006, 01:01 PM #58
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Originally Posted by onyx_rock
billy, they are called dialects. look up the word dialects, hoss, and the whole "correct english" will become clear.
PS. whoever it was: ebonics IS considerd a launguage by literary definations.
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03-02-2006, 01:27 PM #60
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