Bad News/Good News

**Sarge** · 01-22-2006, 04:00 PM

We are documenting every step of taking the LS1 out and installing the 402 Stroker motor....down to the tuning....we have over 40 pics as it is now.....taking the motor out is the hardest part I can see now.....

**D!ck** · 01-22-2006, 04:15 PM

hell ya. getter done!!!

**Sarge** · 01-22-2006, 05:17 PM

We got so much crap going on right now...the new driveshaft should be here Tuesday...underdrive pulley is here....larger injectors are here....etc.etc....

**Sarge** · 01-24-2006, 03:20 AM

Couple more....

**BIG D's SS** · 01-24-2006, 05:16 AM

Damn Sarge you killed that bitch. YOu said the valve springs killed it what happened? Those Patriot heads come with springs to hold up to .650 lift. Was that not enough?

**Sarge** · 01-24-2006, 06:47 AM

Well buddy...it is hard to tell when a motor eats itself to this extent for sure.....rod bolts/rods/pistons/heads all exploded....I just got off the phone with Gunnar down in Alabama at Patriot...man those folks are A++....damn good folks....now we have some decesions to make.....really 3 sets of heads to choose from....59cc/64cc...2.02's....2.08's....2.43's (LS2)...and all the combinations those provide....I dunno....gotta be a little concerned about giving up bottom end (torque) if you go to big....They are giving me a big price break for being a good customer...hell they didnt have to do that....stand up shop there.....I'll be talking to Allen Nelson this morning and see what he thinks will work the best with the 402/the 588 cam we have etc..... engine geometry makes me spill my beer....

**BIG D's SS** · 01-24-2006, 07:18 AM

I really want the stage 3 Patriots. Man that is some good shit that they are doing for you. You can get those heads for like $1200 assembled so anything less than that they are paying you to buy them. Did it hurt your heads or are you just thinking of upgrading? Are you using anything other than the intake, headers etc or are you going to use the cam also?

**Sarge** · 01-24-2006, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by BIG D's SS

I really want the stage 3 Patriots. Man that is some good shit that they are doing for you. You can get those heads for like $1200 assembled so anything less than that they are paying you to buy them. Did it hurt your heads or are you just thinking of upgrading? Are you using anything other than the intake, headers etc or are you going to use the cam also?

We all just got off a conference call.....going Stage III 2.08...fully assembled w/BIG TIME valve springs

....keeping the 228/588 cam....the pistons went up into the chambers and beat the living shit out of those heads...even with a rework I would be concerned about metal fatigue from what happened...so I'll give Zboner these heads for his car for free....(he pays for shipping

)...headers/intake/TB all that is going in the new engine....this thing will be a major beast when we are done....new underdrive pulley just for grins

...larger injectors...42#.....it is all coming together....

**BIG D's SS** · 01-24-2006, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

We all just got off a conference call.....going Stage III 2.08...fully assembled w/BIG TIME valve springs

....keeping the 228/588 cam....the pistons went up into the chambers and beat the living shit out of those heads...even with a rework I would be concerned about metal fatigue from what happened...so I'll give Zboner these heads for his car for free....(he pays for shipping

)...headers/intake/TB all that is going in the new engine....this thing will be a major beast when we are done....new underdrive pulley just for grins

...larger injectors...42#.....it is all coming together....

Well glad to hear that everything is coming together for you. Can't wait to see some numbers.

**Rob** · 01-25-2006, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

We all just got off a conference call.....going Stage III 2.08...fully assembled w/BIG TIME valve springs

....keeping the 228/588 cam....the pistons went up into the chambers and beat the living shit out of those heads...even with a rework I would be concerned about metal fatigue from what happened...so I'll give Zboner these heads for his car for free....(he pays for shipping

)...headers/intake/TB all that is going in the new engine....this thing will be a major beast when we are done....new underdrive pulley just for grins

...larger injectors...42#.....it is all coming together....

Think 42's will be enough? I would go 50's, if not 60's to be safe. They are just as easy to tune, if not easier than 42's. I used to run 50's on my 89 TTA. Those were just like stockers, even passed tailpipe emissions with them

**Sarge** · 01-25-2006, 01:48 PM

Oh yeah...the 42's wont even hit 50% - 60% cycle at WOT..

**BIG D's SS** · 01-25-2006, 01:55 PM

So how is it coming?

**Sarge** · 01-25-2006, 01:58 PM

Here we go with the build sheet...
402 CID Iron Block
Eagle forged crank,
Lunati Pro rods (this is awesome),
ARP Rod Bolts
Mahle forged pistons,
6.0L MLS head gaskets,
Patriot Stage III Heads w/valves (650 lift) Assy. 2.08"/1.60"/68cc
Comp Cam 221/228 581/588 113 LSA
Lingenfelter High Flow Oil Pump
LSX Intake and TB
ASP Underdrive Pulley

Bunch of other "stuff".....

**D!ck** · 01-25-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Here we go with the build sheet...
402 CID Iron Block
Eagle forged crank,
Lunati Pro rods (this is awesome),
ARP Rod Bolts
Mahle forged pistons,
6.0L MLS head gaskets,
Patriot Stage III Heads w/valves (650 lift) Assy. 2.08"/1.60"/68cc
Comp Cam 221/228 581/588 113 LSA
Lingenfelter High Flow Oil Pump
LSX Intake and TB
ASP Underdrive Pulley

Bunch of other "stuff".....

**D!ck** · 01-25-2006, 02:33 PM

what kind of power band are you guessing with that setup, and drivability with cam?

**Sarge** · 01-25-2006, 04:24 PM

Cam is great...I have had it on the previous motor....kick you flat in the ass from about 3500 to 7200....stall is a 3500...nitrous window is 3500-6200...lots of shit happens at 3500...you better be hanging on....this new motor is a torque monster with the gut to pull all the way to 7000....so we'll double the shot of nitrous (100 to 200) and see what she feels like...we are looking for 550 all motor and over 700 to the ground with the giggle juice....I'm confident....

**D!ck** · 01-25-2006, 05:29 PM

thats what im talkin bout

**camaronx** · 01-25-2006, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Cam is great...I have had it on the previous motor....kick you flat in the ass from about 3500 to 7200....stall is a 3500...nitrous window is 3500-6200...lots of shit happens at 3500...you better be hanging on....this new motor is a torque monster with the gut to pull all the way to 7000....so we'll double the shot of nitrous (100 to 200) and see what she feels like...we are looking for 550 all motor and over 700 to the ground with the giggle juice....I'm confident....

Sounds like you'll need wheelie bars and of course trap speeds above 150 require a parachute---damn sarge i thought i was the only insane one---we're all eat up with the need for speed!:firedevil

***Ed Blown Vert*** · 01-25-2006, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

I'll be taking some pics of the process.....I'll be posting them up.....this old boy knows his LSX motors.... www.nelsonperformance.com ....so yeah this should be a fun project...we are looking for 500+RWHP on all motor...then a 200 shot (forged motor)
and I'm going to Sandy Eggo looking for Ed

and his lil ol bitty girlie motor....

Remember this engine is built to push 1000 HP. I have room to grow

***Ed Blown Vert*** · 01-25-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Here we go with the build sheet...
402 CID Iron Block
Eagle forged crank,
Lunati Pro rods (this is awesome),
ARP Rod Bolts
Mahle forged pistons,
6.0L MLS head gaskets,
Patriot Stage III Heads w/valves (650 lift) Assy. 2.08"/1.60"/68cc
Comp Cam 221/228 581/588 113 LSA
Lingenfelter High Flow Oil Pump
LSX Intake and TB
ASP Underdrive Pulley

Bunch of other "stuff".....

What CR are you planning on running and why not a larger cam? That thing is going to look small in a 402.