So is the Nissan skyline as good as the import guys say?

[B34M3R]

First off, name me a stronger AWD system out of the box. If you think a DSM's is, you are sadly mistaken. An Evos? Nope... closer, but not much. As for the subies... I dont know for sure, but I've never heard great things.

And do you actually know that the stock block can't handle 600hp? Or are you automaticly discounting it because it sounds ludicris? wtf-ever. A 100% increase in power doesn't mean the thing will automaticly gernade. Its all about the tuning and support. 4G63's make 500hp all the time on a stock bottem end... if they are done right. Last time I checked LS1's could make nearly 100% more power without blowing themselves up... if they are done right.

Hell, you could make 1000hp on any one of those motors, and if you had it tuned so it never pinged or knocked, it wouldn't blow up. Argh, dont be so quick to judge.

[slim420832002]

First off, name me a stronger AWD system out of the box. If you think a DSM's is, you are sadly mistaken. An Evos? Nope... closer, but not much. As for the subies... I dont know for sure, but I've never heard great things.

And do you actually know that the stock block can't handle 600hp? Or are you automaticly discounting it because it sounds ludicris? wtf-ever. A 100% increase in power doesn't mean the thing will automaticly gernade. Its all about the tuning and support. 4G63's make 500hp all the time on a stock bottem end... if they are done right. Last time I checked LS1's could make nearly 100% more power without blowing themselves up... if they are done right.

Hell, you could make 1000hp on any one of those motors, and if you had it tuned so it never pinged or knocked, it wouldn't blow up. Argh, dont be so quick to judge.

common man im not tryin to down u but u have to have extensive internal mods done. and yes ive done my research on them. u could probably boost max 450hp completely stock with a bad azz tuner but ur motor is not gonna last long. yes the rb26dett is a very strong and reliable motor and i will stick up for it all day long but its not that strong, trust me when i say that bro. they r a phenomanal car. out of all imports if i had the money hell yeah i would get a 00' NEO r34. but ur talkin an expensive ass car. the parts rnt so bad and you could probably get supporting mods with a bad ass tuner and dump 5-10k in it and it would be hitting that. but the logic of all this ur gonna end up fukin that motor up, quick. and the awd system can only take so much power. then u have to extensive upgrades. and if u want any sorts of traction at 600hp which in a skyline ur runnin around 10's 1/4 u have to upgrade cuz ull start snappin shit. have u ever been in a awd when the clutch gets dumped at 5k rpms? it snaps u back like u wouldnt believe. well if you basically add 2 1/2 times that amount of power and it grabs on good tires like that u dont think ur gonna snap anything? is it the best awd system built IDK but do remember a 911 gt3 is also awd. how bout there awd suspension. there are lots of factors in all this and supporting mods that would have to be done to hold that power cuz ur talkin bout shavin 4 seconds of a 1/4 mile with just a tune

[secondgearscratch]

The skyline is indeed one hell of a car. The amount of power the RB26DETT engine can handle is simply awesome. In Japan it is common for tuner companies to build 9 second Skyline streetcars that will still top out around 200mph. They are not an automobile legend for no reason. As for finding someone who has raced one good luck. We're not in Fast and the furious here. Skylines are extremely expensive to import and federalize. Most guys that own them aren't street racing against F-bodies.

ive raced a skyline. *yawn*
and how do you know what most guys are doing with their skylines again? you make it sound like racing an f body (that stock for stock would wax a skyline) is beneath them or something.

Motorex is the only way to do it as far as i know and it damn sure isn't worth it unless your rich. Funny thing is in Japan they are pretty cheap.

motorex is defunkt bro, dont know if you heard. they arent cheap anywhere, the ones that are cheap arent r34 skylines, they are the gts models or whatever stupid thing they call the slower ones.

[slim420832002]

ive raced a skyline. *yawn*
and how do you know what most guys are doing with their skylines again? you make it sound like racing an f body (that stock for stock would wax a skyline) is beneath them or something.



motorex is defunkt bro, dont know if you heard. they arent cheap anywhere, the ones that are cheap arent r34 skylines, they are the gts models or whatever stupid thing they call the slower ones.

idk cuz if u took top of the line stock skyline r34 vs. top of the line stock f body ur talkin a good race. both are pushing around the same. r34 is gonna jump so quick and once u can start to get into that power band that turbo is gonna work excellent at mid and hi range. but idk i think personally it would be a good race cuz both run stock bout the same 1/4 mile times and we all know those can be off cuz it depends on the driver.


man finally someone that knows bout motorex. they been defunkt for awhile now i believe over 3 years

[secondgearscratch]

ROFL @ this thread.

Yea, pretty much, they are exactly as bad-ass as everyone says they are. And I don't mean stock... their redeeming quality is how moddable they are. The blocks will take 600hp(without a build), rev to all hell, and the AWD system on the car is basicly the most bulletproof one to come on a production car.

@ people on this forum bitching about how heavy they are. Heavy? Yea, but its going to have an advantage on a road course, and at the strip. Having 4 wheels putting that power down is a wonderful thing.

Basicly all this is moot in the USA though.... because the cost of gettin that bitch makes it a waste. Oh well, an R34 GTR is still up there on my dreamcar list...

600 hp on the block huh? wow. they are heavy, and no one is bitching about it, its simple fact.

First off, name me a stronger AWD system out of the box. If you think a DSM's is, you are sadly mistaken. An Evos? Nope... closer, but not much. As for the subies... I dont know for sure, but I've never heard great things.

And do you actually know that the stock block can't handle 600hp? Or are you automaticly discounting it because it sounds ludicris? wtf-ever. A 100% increase in power doesn't mean the thing will automaticly gernade. Its all about the tuning and support. 4G63's make 500hp all the time on a stock bottem end... if they are done right. Last time I checked LS1's could make nearly 100% more power without blowing themselves up... if they are done right.

Hell, you could make 1000hp on any one of those motors, and if you had it tuned so it never pinged or knocked, it wouldn't blow up. Argh, dont be so quick to judge.

you can make that kind of power with any motor. the skylines that make decent power have huge turbos. skylines are nothing special, considering a twin turbo setup on virtually any american v8 will make well over 1000 hp on decent boost, alot less than a skyline for that matter and gobs more torque at lower rpms.

but who cares?

they are a decent car, but legendary? hardly. they are decent at best, just like the supra.

the fact of the matter is that stock for stock, the skylines loses its ass to an f body. but theyre legendary so i wont mention this again.

[secondgearscratch]

idk cuz if u took top of the line stock skyline r34 vs. top of the line stock f body ur talkin a good race. both are pushing around the same. r34 is gonna jump so quick and once u can start to get into that power band that turbo is gonna work excellent at mid and hi range. but idk i think personally it would be a good race cuz both run stock bout the same 1/4 mile times and we all know those can be off cuz it depends on the driver.


man finally someone that knows bout motorex. they been defunkt for awhile now i believe over 3 years

dont buy into the crap they arent that fast. look at where the torque comes on and where the power peaks. its over with at the strip. sure they can be fast modded, but what cant?

ive raced a single turbo one with MODS. i pulled on him. hard.

[slim420832002]

600 hp on the block huh? wow. they are heavy, and no one is bitching about it, its simple fact.



you can make that kind of power with any motor. the skylines that make decent power have huge turbos. skylines are nothing special, considering a twin turbo setup on virtually any american v8 will make well over 1000 hp on decent boost, alot less than a skyline for that matter and gobs more torque at lower rpms.

but who cares?

they are a decent car, but legendary? hardly. they are decent at best, just like the supra.

the fact of the matter is that stock for stock, the skylines loses its ass to an f body. but theyre legendary so i wont mention this again.

hold on out of all that where do u get supporting facts that show skylines losses its ass to a fbody. they rnt slow stock by any means

[slim420832002]

skyline r34 specs from www.supercars.net
price$89 500 USDengineWater Cooled RB26DETT Inline 6positionFront LongitudinalaspirationTwin TurbovalvetrainBelt Driven DOHC 4 valves / cyldisplacement2568 cc / 156.7 cu inbore86.0 mm / 3.39 instroke73.3 mm / 2.89 incompression8.5:1power205.8 kw / 276.0 bhp @ 6800 rpmhp per litre107.48 bhp per litrebhp/weighttorque293.0 nm / 216.1 ft lbs @ 4400 rpmredline8000drive wheelsFull Time 4WDfront brakesBrembro Vented Discs w/4-Pot Calipers, Vacuum Assist & ABSf brake size324 mm / 12.8 inrear brakesBrembro Vented Discs w/2-Pot Calipers, Vacuum Assist & ABSr brake size300 mm / 11.8 infront wheelsF 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18.0 x 9.0 inrear wheelsR 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18.0 x 9.0 infront tire size245/40W18rear tire size245/40W18steeringRack & Pinion w/Speed Sensitive Power Assistf suspensionMacPherson Struts w/Addional Link, Lower A-Arms, Coil Springs,r suspensionMulitlink Setup w/Coil Springs, Tube Shocks, Anti-Roll Barweight1666 kg / 3673 lbswheelbase2665 mm / 104.9 infront track1480 mm / 58.3 inrear track1490 mm / 58.7 inlength4600 mm / 181.1 inwidth1785 mm / 70.3 inheight1360 mm / 53.5 intransmissionGetrag 6-Speed Manualgear ratios3.827:1, 2.360:1, 1.685:1, 1.312:1, 1.000:1, 0.793:1final drive3.545:1top speed249.4 kph / 155.0 mph0 - 60 mph5.2 seconds0 - 100 mph13.0 seconds0 - 1/4 mile13.7 secondsepa city/hwyCombined 22.8 mpg


specs of a 98 camaro ls1 only one that had 1/4 mile times
price$20 470 USDengineV8valvetrainOHV 2 Valves / Cyldisplacement5666 cc / 345.8 cu inbore99.0 mm / 3.9 instroke92.0 mm / 3.62 incompression10.1:1power238.6 kw / 320.0 bhp @ 5200 rpmhp per litre56.48 bhp per litrebhp/weighttorque467.8 nm / 345.0 ft lbs @ 4400 rpmredline6000 rpmdrive wheelsFront Engine / RWDbody / frameUnit Steel w/ Composite Panelsfront brakesVented Discs w/ Vacuum Assist & ABSf brake size300 mm / 11.8 inrear brakesVented Discs w/ Vacuum Assist & ABSr brake size302 mm / 11.9 infront wheelsF 43.2 x 22.9 cm / 17.0 x 9.0 inrear wheelsR 43.2 x 22.9 cm / 17.0 x 9.0 infront tire sizeF 275/40ZR-17rear tire sizeR 275/40ZR-17steeringRack & Pinion w/ Power Assistweight1524 kg / 3360 lbswheelbase2568 mm / 101.1 infront track1542 mm / 60.7 inrear track1539 mm / 60.6 inlength4915 mm / 193.5 inwidth1882 mm / 74.1 inheight1303 mm / 51.3 intransmission6-Speed Manualgear ratios2.66:1, 1.78:1, 1.30:1, 1.00:1, 0.74:1, 0.50:1final drive3.42:1top speed257.5 kph / 160.0 mph0 - 60 mph5.5 seconds0 - 100 mph13.2 seconds0 - 1/4 mile13.9 secondsepa city/hwy18 / 27 mpg


the skyline beats it in 1/4 mile and these are facts

[slim420832002]

heres evo 8's specs
price$31 000 USDengineTurbocharged 4G63 Inline-4positionFront, TransverseaspirationTurbochargedvalvetrainDOHC, 4 Valves per Cylfuel feedECI-MULTI Electronic Fuel Injectiondisplacement1997 cc / 121.9 cu inbore85 mm / 3.35 instroke88 mm / 3.46 incompression8.8:1power202.1 kw / 271.0 bhp @ 6500 rpmhp per litre135.7 bhp per litrebhp/weight184.35 bhp per weighttorque370.14 nm / 273 ft lbs @ 3500 rpmredline7000drive wheelsFull Time 4WD w/Front and Rear LSDsbody / frameUnit Steelfront brakesVented Discs w/ABSf brake size356 mm / 14 inrear brakesVented Discs w/ABSr brake size305 mm / 12 infront wheelsF 43.2 x 20.3 cm / 17 x 8 inrear wheelsR 43.2 x 20.3 cm / 17 x 8 infront tire sizeP235/45ZR17 Yokohama A-046rear tire sizeP235/45ZR17 Yokohama A-046steeringRack & Pinion w/Power Assistf suspensionMacPherson Struts w/Lower Control Arms, Shock Absorbers, Coil Springs, Anti-Roll Barr suspensionMulti-LInk w/Lower Control Arms, Shock Absorbers, Coil Springs, Anti-Roll Barweight1470 kg / 3241 lbswheelbase2625 mm / 103.3 infront track1515 mm / 59.6 inrear track1515 mm / 59.6 inlength5435 mm / 214.0 inwidth1770 mm / 69.7 inheight1450 mm / 57.1 intransmission5-Speed Manualgear ratios2.928:1, 1.950:1, 1.407:1, 1.031:1, 0.720:1final drive4.529:1top speed249.4 kph / 155.0 mph0 - 60 mph5.0 seconds0 - 100 mph13.0 seconds0 - 1/4 mile13.3 secondsepa city/hwy21 mpg


and a sti stats
price$32 195 USDengineBoxer-4aspirationHigh-Boost, IHI TurbochargersvalvetrainDOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/AVCS VVT fuel feedMultipoint Fuel Injectiondisplacement2457 cc / 149.9 cu inbore99.5 mm / 3.92 instroke79 mm / 3.11 incompression8.2:1power223.7 kw / 300 bhp @ 6000 rpmhp per litre122.1 bhp per litrebhp/weight197.37 bhp per weighttorque406.75 nm / 300 ft lbs @ 4000 rpmredline7000drive wheelsAWD w/Driver Control Center Diff (DCCD), Front and Rear LSDbody / frameUnit Steelfront brakesDiscs w/ABS, EBDf brake size323 mm / 12.7 inrear brakesDiscs w/ABS, EBDr brake size312 mm / 12.3 infront wheelsF 43.2 x 20.3 cm / 17 x 8 inrear wheelsR 43.2 x 20.3 cm / 17 x 8 infront tire size225/45ZR17 Bridgestone Potenza RE070rear tire size225/45ZR17 Bridgestone Potenza RE070steeringQuick Ratio Rack & Pinionf suspensionMacPherson Struts w/Lower L Armsr suspensionMacPherson Struts w/Trailing Armsweight1520 kg / 3351 lbswheelbase2540 mm / 100 infront track1491 mm / 58.7 inrear track1496 mm / 58.9 inlength4465 mm / 175.8 inwidth1740 mm / 68.5 inheight56.3 mm / Not Available intransmission6-Speed Manualgear ratios3.636:1, 2.375:1, 1.761:1, 1.346:1, 0.971:1, 0.756:1final drive155:10 - 60 mph5.1 seconds0 - 100 mph13.8 seconds0 - 1/4 mile13.5 secondsepa city/hwy20 mpg

[slim420832002]

just cuz the cars a damn import doesnt mean it doesnt have power. so where are ur facts now that a fbody crushes these imports cuz every singl one of the imports have faster 1/4 mile times stock. i luv a fbody but u cant knock something that isnt tru u need facts

[Blitzed]

just cuz the cars a damn import doesnt mean it doesnt have power. so where are ur facts now that a fbody crushes these imports cuz every singl one of the imports have faster 1/4 mile times stock. i luv a fbody but u cant knock something that isnt tru u need facts

Please fucking tell me your not magazine racing fanboi.... I've seen stock LT1 Fbods with 127k on the clock do 13.5 stock down to a filter. Its not common, but I've never seen a LS1 run as high as a 13.8. The fastest I've ever seen a skyline run is 14 flat. If you like the car then fine, but don't quote shit when you haven't done it or seen it with your own eyes. And whoever said a DSM will do 500 on stock bottom end is crazy. I mean if you don't want it to last longer than a month I guess it could

[slim420832002]

Please fucking tell me your not magazine racing fanboi.... I've seen stock LT1 Fbods with 127k on the clock do 13.5 stock down to a filter. Its not common, but I've never seen a LS1 run as high as a 13.8. The fastest I've ever seen a skyline run is 14 flat. If you like the car then fine, but don't quote shit when you haven't done it or seen it with your own eyes. And whoever said a DSM will do 500 on stock bottom end is crazy. I mean if you don't want it to last longer than a month I guess it could

umm for 1 if u read real closely i mean real closely to all my posts i got the FACTS from a website. those cars are all pullin stock 1/4 mile times of low 13's. DUH ITS OFF A FUKIN WEBSITE. READ THE FUKIN MATERIAL BEFORE U COME TRYING TO CRITISIZE ME. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE ALSO BUT OBVIOUSLY U CANT FUKIN READ IT DEPENDS ON THE DRIVER. READ BEFORE U OPEN UR BIG FAT FUKIN MOUTH

[slim420832002]

Please fucking tell me your not magazine racing fanboi.... I've seen stock LT1 Fbods with 127k on the clock do 13.5 stock down to a filter. Its not common, but I've never seen a LS1 run as high as a 13.8. The fastest I've ever seen a skyline run is 14 flat. If you like the car then fine, but don't quote shit when you haven't done it or seen it with your own eyes. And whoever said a DSM will do 500 on stock bottom end is crazy. I mean if you don't want it to last longer than a month I guess it could

O AND ONCE AGAIN IF U READ I NEVER SAID U COULD RUN THAT MUCH POWER ON A STOCK BOTTOM END WITHOUT IT BLOWIN UP QUICKLY. ONCE AGAIN READ. AND IM QUOTING SHIT FROM A WEBSITE U STUPID IGNORNANT LITTLE KID. AND IM SURE UVE SEEN 100 SKYLINES GO DOWN THE TRACK PROBABLY MORE LIKE 1 OR 2 MAYBE 3. FACTS DUMBY THATS WHAT IM GOIN OFF OF. O AND SO IF THEY R WRONG ON THEIR STUDIES DOES THAT MAKE EVERY STUDY OUT THERE THATS BEEN PROVIN A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT. UR A FUKIN IDIOT. READ BEFORE U TRY TO FLAME SOMEONE AND LOOK LIKE A FUKIN IDIOT

[9t8z28]

The skyline is indeed one hell of a car. The amount of power the RB26DETT engine can handle is simply awesome. In Japan it is common for tuner companies to build 9 second Skyline streetcars that will still top out around 200mph. They are not an automobile legend for no reason. As for finding someone who has raced one good luck. We're not in Fast and the furious here. Skylines are extremely expensive to import and federalize. Most guys that own them aren't street racing against F-bodies.

RB26DETT.........Where do they come up with this shit? How do you even know the name of the engine? To much fast and the furious

[slim420832002]

RB26DETT.........Where do they come up with this shit? How do you even know the name of the engine? To much fast and the furious

actually it is a rb26dett its called the engine code like a 240sx usually get a sr20det transplant hondas get b18c5 which is a type r motor h22a or b is i believe a prelude motor than u have b16a,b,c's it just the engine code. dont flame him he's got it right

[cam02ss]

Seems to have the same comparing apples to oranges feel to it...

[ntimid8r]

Enough of the flaming between you guys. Post up facts with references to prove your side otherwise it's meaningless. If no facts to show then politely bow out. It's that simple.

No sense in arguing over everything guys. Consider this a warning for all involved.

[gwballin]

Please fucking tell me your not magazine racing fanboi....

umm for 1 if u read real closely i mean real closely to all my posts i got the FACTS from a website. those cars are all pullin stock 1/4 mile times of low 13's. DUH ITS OFF A FUKIN WEBSITE.

So to answer Blitzed original question, yes he is magazine racing

[cam02ss]

Enough of the flaming between you guys. Post up facts to prove your side otherwise it's meaningless. If no facts to show then politely bow out. It's that simple.

No sense in arguing over everything guys. Consider this a warning for all involved.

And there on the horizon appeared the man in black....ban belt slung low upon his waist...the silver finish of the mighty ban stick glistening in the midday sun...brim of his hat pulled low across his brow. All around knew what he had come for

[ntimid8r]

And there on the horizon appeared the man in black....ban belt slung low upon his waist...the silver finish of the mighty ban stick glistening in the midday sun...brim of his hat pulled low across his brow. All around knew what he had come for

Nice depiction Will.