RIP 9mm round

[SMWS6TA]

also what's interesting about this RIP round, it would be illegal under the Laws of Warfare.


Not that anyone but us follow it.

[35th-ANV-SS]

If it takes more than one round of any bullet to stop a human you didn't hit your target very good IMO. I mean the same goes with hunting deer. You can kill a deer with a standard arrow head or use a broad head. Of course, the broad head offers a larger wound and better chance to hit something vital...but if you gut shot it, it doesn't matter either way.

I'd bet money that a single shot to the average human to the chest or head with an HP in a 9mm round would stop them in their tracks unless they were high as a kite. A shitty hit even with a .45 (leg, arm, non-critical area of the upper torso) isn't going to drop them...at least IMO. Needless to say, nobody here or otherwise will only be shooting one single shot at a perpetrator so it is a moot point I think. If someone comes storming into my house unwanted, I have both a 9mm and .357 Sig with 3 magazines each loaded with HP's. I'll be grabbing the nearest gun and shooting til I hear nothing but a click lol.

[5.0THIS]

Alright another useless 9mm v 40 v 45 debate!

[wileyCoyote]

If it takes more than one round of any bullet to stop a human you didn't hit your target very good IMO. I mean the same goes with hunting deer. You can kill a deer with a standard arrow head or use a broad head. Of course, the broad head offers a larger wound and better chance to hit something vital...but if you gut shot it, it doesn't matter either way.

I'd bet money that a single shot to the average human to the chest or head with an HP in a 9mm round would stop them in their tracks unless they were high as a kite. A shitty hit even with a .45 (leg, arm, non-critical area of the upper torso) isn't going to drop them...at least IMO. Needless to say, nobody here or otherwise will only be shooting one single shot at a perpetrator so it is a moot point I think. If someone comes storming into my house unwanted, I have both a 9mm and .357 Sig with 3 magazines each loaded with HP's. I'll be grabbing the nearest gun and shooting til I hear nothing but a click lol.

...i'm reminded of an advanced handgun class where the instructor (an ex LEO, deep cover narcotics, been in gunfights) does a slideshow presentation at the beginning of the class as a precursor to the range stuff... one of the most notable slides has the title "handgun stopping power", or some such thing, ...and the contents of the slide are a succinctly presented charicature of a pile of bull dung.... his remarks "nuff said"...

...much of what i've gleaned from various instructors teaching advanced handgun tactics for self defense, is that the "stopping power" moniker in the caliber wars is only good for selling magazines (the print kind.. ), ...when it comes to handguns, the subject matter experts (although many don't recommend .22lr for self defense) put the emphasis on getting good hits as opposed to caliber...

[2002ssslp]

haha my dad always gets his panties in a wad when I say stuff like that...he's a 9mm guy for some odd reason ...I own a 9mm, but I own just about every other size you can get as well...I personally like a 45 "even though 9mm is cheaper". if this thing ever comes in a 45 round it will literally blow someone in half...

I agree that 9mm rounds are ok for carry and target practice but a real man uses a .45 because "It is just silly to shoot twice" My two favorite guns are my Colt 1070XSE 1911 and my S&W 629 with a 6.5 barrel in polished nickel. Lots of noise and lots of fun to shoot.

[2002ssslp]

Alright another useless 9mm v 40 v 45 debate!

No debate. .45 wins every time.

[theorangeguy]

also what's interesting about this RIP round, it would be illegal under the Laws of Warfare.


Not that anyone but us follow it.

I get why they want hollow points to not be in war...limits death, loss of limbs, etc etc etc...but im with you. If we are the only ones playing by the "rules" then we need to change what we are doing...

[wileyCoyote]

[QUOTE=2002ssslp;2879884]I agree that 9mm rounds are ok for carry and target practice but a real man uses a .45 because "It is just silly to shoot twice" QUOTE]

[theorangeguy]

I prefer whatever makes the biggest hole...some people prefer capacity.

This video is pretty funny btw...

[Zinergy]

Lol no point in debating 9mm, .40, .45acp. They all have their place and are great rounds. Choose what you like and go with it.

[SMWS6TA]

I get why they want hollow points to not be in war...limits death, loss of limbs, etc etc etc...but im with you. If we are the only ones playing by the "rules" then we need to change what we are doing...

See that's not entirely correct about HP rounds. HP rounds are designed to stop "go through" because it expands as it impacts. But ball type ammo do not and can bounce and tumble all over the body doing much more damage then a HP could.


20yrs ago I was doing my clinic rotation in an ER. Had a 17yr old come in hit with a 22. It hit the wrist but we found the bullet in the upper bicep.

[theorangeguy]

See that's not entirely correct about HP rounds. HP rounds are designed to stop "go through" because it expands as it impacts. But ball type ammo do not and can bounce and tumble all over the body doing much more damage then a HP could.


20yrs ago I was doing my clinic rotation in an ER. Had a 17yr old come in hit with a 22. It hit the wrist but we found the bullet in the upper bicep.

I've heard of stuff like that...I was reading about a guy in Africa "true story" who was shot with a ball round from some type of rifle in his upper left chest and the doctors could never find an exit wound. They finally found the round in his lower right leg. It bounced around quite a bit.

[Zinergy]

See that's not entirely correct about HP rounds. HP rounds are designed to stop "go through" because it expands as it impacts. But ball type ammo do not and can bounce and tumble all over the body doing much more damage then a HP could.


20yrs ago I was doing my clinic rotation in an ER. Had a 17yr old come in hit with a 22. It hit the wrist but we found the bullet in the upper bicep.

The seperation and bouncing around happens to HPs as well. They can break apart and bounce throughout the body. There are definately cases where ball ammo does more damage but in most cases the HP will. I can tell you my dad would have lost his leg if his revolver had HPs in it that night. Luckily it had ball ammo and it passed straight through his knee. In and out....very clean.

[5.0THIS]

No debate. .45 wins every time.

lolz. Not really. The 45 lacks penetration and capacity in a given firearm. And those aren't opinions.

[2002ssslp]

lolz. Not really. The 45 lacks penetration and capacity in a given firearm. And those aren't opinions.

Sorry if you're too girly to fire a .45 maybe a .22 short is more your style.

[5.0THIS]

Sorry if you're too girly to fire a .45 maybe a .22 short is more your style.

Naw, I just don't want an inferior round that some guys use to make themselves feel tougher.

[Zinergy]

Sorry if you're too girly to fire a .45 maybe a .22 short is more your style.

How come you shoot .45acp? Are you too girly for a magnum round? .44 mag FTW

[5.0THIS]

[35th-ANV-SS]

Everybody is an expert on online forums. Thought everyone knew that lol.

[Zinergy]

Everybody is an expert on online forums. Thought everyone knew that lol.

Seeing as I am an expert on every subject over the intertron...... of course I knew that.