Now this I'd buy - the 2014 Camaro Z28

[FasstChevys]

I just love that LS7. Until I owned/drove a car with a LS7, I always thought that there was not a better sounding engine than a big block Chevy. Now, I cannot choose!

[SiggyZ]

The new Z28 is going to be available with only a basic stereo with the required one speaker.

[Zinergy]

They are trying to make it a track car that you can drive on the street. That can either go over well or very poorly depending on how they do it. I think it should be one or the other. There is already a SS and ZL1 for the street. The z28 should be light as hell with a cage in the back instead of seats. Manual everything, no A/C, radio should be an option and it should be less than the zl1.

[ls1camino]

I just love that LS7. Until I owned/drove a car with a LS7, I always thought that there was not a better sounding engine than a big block Chevy. Now, I cannot choose!

Until you break an exhaust valve.

[5.0THIS]

Being that the ZL1's around $54k, I'm going to take a guess that the Z28 will be somewhere between $40-$45k.

No, probably more expensive than that. Alot of development went into this car. The brakes alone are several thousand. This isnt meanto be the everyman's car for the street, and GM doesnt expect to sell alot of them.

Yep....which means it's no longer an affordable sports car.


Sorry but that's just my opinion. GM, Hell, all of them have been for years now pushing the prices away from the age group (18-30, male) that made these cars popular.

You can't convince me that someone in this bracket could walk up and afford to get one with out giving up an arm, leg, testicle. Not even talking about in this economy.


These were Vette prices 15-20 yrs ago.

Your post suggests you dont have a good grasp on the concept of inflation. In case you havent noticed, all cars are more expensive now than they were 15-20 years ago. Muscle cars were 3-6K dollars in the late 60s. It's just how it goes.

Well, I look forward to completely embarrassing cocky new Z28 owners on the highway and on the track.

Anybody can make a car fast in a straight line. This car will likely run high 11s in the 1/4 mile, and be a brutally quick around a racecourse. What is done to your car to completely embarrass a new Z28? I'd put money on your car not being able to beat one on a road course. I bet it wouldnt even be close. Not even the same zip code.

Until you break an exhaust valve.

I'm betting that's been fixed. I'll also take the odds on a less than 5% failure rate. Even if it is still a concern, drive it until it runs out of warranty and pull the heads, port/polish, and new guides. Problem solved. The LS1 is a steaming pile of shit compared to an LS7. Just sayin

[SiggyZ]

I agree with everything you said 5.0 and after reading more, it'll probably be upwards of $50-$55k. This car is actually bringing back the original intent of the Z28 name. A car designed to excel on a road course.

[FasstChevys]

Until you break an exhaust valve.

That's much more common in the earlier LS7's - besides, mine had West Coast cylinder heads on it, with better valves.

Either way - that sum' bitch sounds awesome singing away at 7,000 rpms.

Edit: and - don't jinx yourself, that's never good!

[FasstChevys]

I'm betting that's been fixed. I'll also take the odds on a less than 5% failure rate. Even if it is still a concern, drive it until it runs out of warranty and pull the heads, port/polish, and new guides. Problem solved. The LS1 is a steaming pile of shit compared to an LS7. Just sayin

I like your prior comment, and I'm going to use it. The LS1 isn't even in the same zip code as an LS7.

[98TransAmWs-6]

I like your prior comment, and I'm going to use it. The LS1 isn't even in the same zip code as an LS7.

I don't know there are several ls7s in my zip code. I see them on the road every so often. I know what you meant but I just felt like taking it literally.

[Y2KPewterSS]

Looks like shit to me.

[5.0THIS]

I agree with everything you said 5.0 and after reading more, it'll probably be upwards of $50-$55k. This car is actually bringing back the original intent of the Z28 name. A car designed to excel on a road course.

Ironically, them offering the car without AC significantly added to development costs. I read they had to crash test it with and without, which adds alot to costs. And actually, I think those brakes alone probably add 4-5K$ to the pricetag. It will be ZL1 territory pricewise I think, although from a driver's perspective, I bet it beats the ZL1 in nearly all performance perameters, quite possibly even at the dragstrip. Especially with the ZL1s running slower than expected.

[SiggyZ]

You told me you preordered one.

Looks like shit to me.

[Y2KPewterSS]

You told me you preordered one.

I have zero desire to ever own a 5th gen.

[ls1camino]

Anybody can make a car fast in a straight line. This car will likely run high 11s in the 1/4 mile, and be a brutally quick around a racecourse. What is done to your car to completely embarrass a new Z28? I'd put money on your car not being able to beat one on a road course. I bet it wouldnt even be close. Not even the same zip code.

The only thing holding me back from competing in a road course is my locker differential, and I've considered changing it out for a Wavetrac so I can both drag race and road course race. Other than that, I think my coilovers alone would put me on par with the Z28, plus my car easily weighs 500lbs lighter and has over 100hp more.

Not to mention, 99.99% of the time some older guy with too much money is racing their $60k+ car it's on the highway and not on a back road.

[FasstChevys]

The only thing holding me back from competing in a road course is my locker differential, and I've considered changing it out for a Wavetrac so I can both drag race and road course race. Other than that, I think my coilovers alone would put me on par with the Z28, plus my car easily weighs 500lbs lighter and has over 100hp more.

Not to mention, 99.99% of the time some older guy with too much money is racing their $60k+ car it's on the highway and not on a back road.

Did you upgrade your brakes as well? Brembo, Willwood, etc, etc?

[ls1camino]

Did you upgrade your brakes as well? Brembo, Willwood, etc, etc?

No, I'm back to stock size rotors and calipers so I could fit my 15" Prostars on the front. I have EBC slotted and dimpled rotors and hawk pads...I'm fairly confident they could hold their own without too much fade, especially given how light my car is.

[Zinergy]

Making a car fast around corners is a lot more work than throwing parts on a car and thinking you just shaved 5 seconds off your lap times, this isn't forza. I have seen some many cars with coilovers just set to the hardest settings. Great now your suspension is a solid as a rock, that doesn't mean it is the fastest setup. That does not means it is the fastest setup by any means. When car manufactors make cars such as this they generally test them many times on tracks and make adjustments. As does anyone who really tracks their car.

[ls1camino]

Making a car fast around corners is a lot more work than throwing parts on a car and thinking you jsut shaved 5 seconds off your lap times, this isn't forza. I have seen some many cars with coilovers just set to the hardest settings. That does not means it is the fastest setup by any means. When car manufactors make cars such as this they generally test them many times on tracks and make adjustments. As does anyone who really tracks their car.

Any racing takes driver practice and adjustments to your setup. I know I can't go from my drag settings and expect them to do well on a road course, but with the same amount of seat time and some suspension adjustments, I'm still confident in my ability to demolish the Z28 (sans locker rear ).

[FasstChevys]

The only thing holding me back from competing in a road course is my locker differential, and I've considered changing it out for a Wavetrac so I can both drag race and road course race. Other than that, I think my coilovers alone would put me on par with the Z28, plus my car easily weighs 500lbs lighter and has over 100hp more.

Not to mention, 99.99% of the time some older guy with too much money is racing their $60k+ car it's on the highway and not on a back road.

What is the weight of your car? And, what will this new Z28 weigh?

I guess the best way I can put it is this: A ZO6 in some cases is quicker around certain road courses than a ZR1, and it has over 100 hp less. Horsepower is not always the answer - it's an entirely different ball game. At the end of the day - I just guess I'd like to see you beat a new Z28, and see if you're right, or not.

[ls1camino]

What is the weight of your car? And, what will this new Z28 weigh?

I guess the best way I can put it is this: A ZO6 in some cases is quicker around certain road courses than a ZR1, and it has over 100 hp less. Horsepower is not always the answer - it's an entirely different ball game. At the end of the day - I just guess I'd like to see you beat a new Z28, and see if you're right, or not.

Less than 3200 with me a full tank. The ZL1 is over 4000 and they are saying the Z28 should be about 300 less than that. I know hp isn't everything on a road course, but I can't change my motor...I'm stuck with my 600whp.

My biggest issue is that everyone takes the 5th gen and instantly hails it as the savior of GM and the slayer of everything that is Ford (mainly the Mustang). GM needs to get their heads out of each others asses and actually drop the weight of their pig-cars. A styling change that isn't following the S197 Mustang changes would be nice too. The 5th gen is fucking ugly, heavy, not designed for the market, and is overpriced for their target market. There is a reason a majority of the 5th gens are V6s...the V8s are out of 95% of people's price ranges. The people that can afford them aren't racing them, they are making them into domestic ricers by adding more weight in the form of "styling". This "styling" is making them even more ugly, heavier, and slower.