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04-21-2011, 10:54 AM #21
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04-21-2011, 10:55 AM #22
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I'm willing to bet that you are burning oil through the intake. When's the last time you looked at your pcv or replaced it?
Look at this thread. This is an example of how much oil gets into the intake.
This is also after a LS6 VCT and catch can (CC) mod. The oil in the cup is how much my CC has caught in a 6 week period.
http://ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154965
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04-21-2011, 11:31 AM #23
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04-21-2011, 11:56 AM #24
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read this thread.
http://ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138199
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04-21-2011, 12:17 PM #25
Did you find the leak point yet?
Its a 6-speed, its not leaking out of the rear main is it?
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04-21-2011, 03:23 PM #26
I've had my share of rear main leaks in these. My 02 went through 3 rear mains. The original, then replaced by GM, and the 3rd replaced by me,,,and even that one started seeping after a while. The rotation of the crank tends to throw the oil over towards the starter. It kept the starter nose wet as well as the small plastic cover that surrounds it.
This same car also had a valve cover leak on one side, had to replace that gasket. I tried various crank case venting tricks thinking the pressure was high. I was able to slow down the rear main leak but could never completely stop it.
Now my 2000 camaro is completely bone dry,,,I mean dusty dry. It also has more miles on it too. Guess it's just a crap shoot. I've also heard of others leaking while some just don't leak a drop.
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04-21-2011, 07:56 PM #27
Nope.
The block, oil pan, heads, timing cover, and rear main plate are all aluminum. Meaning they expand at the same rate as temperature changes. Therefore there is little chance of a leak developing due to differences in expansion rates between components.
You have to remember that by nature an internal combustion engine is very difficult to seal. You have to keep oil in, while letting crankcase vapors out, prevent oil from exiting crank (and cam on OHC engine) flanges while still allowing adequate clearance for the crank (or cams) to rotate, keep coolant in its designated passages, seal heads to the block so that coolant, oil, and combustion chambers are isolated, and allow all this to work at any given temperature in any given environment.
Back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's engines leaked like sieves. They used multi-piece oil pan seals, with cork as the main gasket, rubber ends, and sometimes a "rope" seal for a crank seal. They would wick oil out the same way a person sweats, it was normal to see built up residue of oil all over the engine, even when new. Same with the crappy stamped valve cover gaskets, stamped timing covers, paper intake gaskets, and carbboard head gaskets. Even a freshly rebuilt engine could leak from any given spot without warning, the gaskets and sealing surfaces were that crappy. Look at the way a small block Chevy aluminum intake mates to a pair of cast iron heads and the cast iron block valley, its extremely poor.
The LS series is one of the best sealed engines produced, bar none. All engine components are cast instead of stamped, gaskets are MLS(multi-layered steel) or aluminum with neoprene inserts, no coolant runs through the intake, and the oil pan uses a factory riveted aluminum one-piece gasket. All mating surfaces are square as well, which reduces the tendancy for leaks. You'll notice this practice on almost all new American designed engines (Ford Modular & 5.0, Chrysler Hemi, Ecotec, Pentastar, Ecoboost, ect) because its much better for sealing.
If you have a leaking gasket, its probably due to old age, and not likely due to anything being "warped" or expanding/contracting. Replace the gasket, clean it up, and go from there.
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04-22-2011, 06:16 AM #28
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04-22-2011, 02:19 PM #29
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04-22-2011, 02:20 PM #30
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04-25-2011, 11:17 PM #31
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04-25-2011, 11:28 PM #32
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04-26-2011, 07:48 AM #33
Good close up picture. I can't really tell what part of the engine that is,,,but there is something leaking for sure. It's definately wet.
Like I said, it's just odd for me to have leaks in anything whether classic cars or these new LS engines. I've just never had an issue until I bought the 02 SS, and it just leaked from day 1.
With proper assembly techniques, proper crank case ventilation, I don't have issues with anything, even the old rear main rope seal in my pontiac. But that 02 LS1 gave me fits. Like I said though, My wifes 00 SS camaro is so dry it's dusty. I can't explain it.
It's just going to be one of those deals where you'll have to clean everything thoroughly, put the car on a lift, start it up and sit there and watch things. Leaks can be a pain in the butt to diagnose. Start up high and work your way down.
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04-26-2011, 08:19 AM #34
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That is on the passenger side. I see the starter on the left of the pic. Looks like the top is towards the front of the car. Op am I correct?
This is not a oil pan leak. You have leakage coming from higher up. Oil is coming from the top of the starter and it is also running down the block high up from the oil pan.
From what I see in this pic makes me think that its not a rear main seal leak because it would be coming through the gap of the bell housing and not from the top or sides. There is no gaps in the bell housing except on the bottom. The gap is for the fluid to drain out if the rear main leaks to that there is no build up and can interfere with the clutch/stall and two, so that the driver can know the RMS is leaking/failing.
OP reach back behind the intake and feel for oil behind the valve covers or around the OPSU. Use a mirror and a light if you have to. Does the leak favor one side more then the other?
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04-26-2011, 08:56 AM #35
what oil i run 5-20 and it will burn 1 quart every 2500-3k, as far as seepage, it a domestic it's gonna happen
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04-26-2011, 09:40 AM #36
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oil drops are easy to find........the source is always hard to find......the rear seal and cover can throw leaky oil out onto the starter.......or the pan can be leakin.......or a leaky front cover can make its way back to the starter.....or a combination of all the above......if you really want to find the source .....get it up in the air and steam clean the whole underside of the engine and undercarriage......start it up and wait for drops.....or drive it around SLOWLY so as not to let air throw oil back from the leak
i do feel your pain my engine is leaking EVERYWHERE.....i will have to drop the engine and replace every gasket......seems the original gaskets just dont hold up.......to pay someone to do the gaskets is not cheap.....can you DIY?
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04-26-2011, 09:43 AM #37
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and a leaky RP will throw oil to the rear.....but you will see oil all around the boots
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04-26-2011, 12:00 PM #38
alright lS-1 fellow geekers hear this just got back from 7 mile drive mostly freewy hot day a.c. on park it look under even 1 cooling fan was on.
Lookin under i see not 1 drop on the cardboard. cars fast bone stock 6 speed, 1 owner.
did not jack it but looking under not 1 drop, i put 1 qt in 100 miles ago level on stick aint changed although after 8 hours yesterday after work looked like 4 or 5 drops that spred out,
dont know maybe it kind a sat been drivin it daily sun, mon now today, maybe rear main was drying?
someone said if its on starter pic was under car camera pointing towards fron of car so nose of starter would be towards the rear but not in pic.
i'll check the o.p.s.u. w/ mirror but oil presseres staedy and i believe 60 psi mostly, ill doublecheck.
i heard last mech just changed the valve cover gaskets
oil pan bolts have been snugged already, like i saw several drops under starter, oil filter also bottom of oil pan 3,4 drops there, front and both sides of pan look pretty dry as does timing cover. ill recheck opsu, drain plug, behind the intake below firewall if i can get back there without all the wires sheath's in the way.ill also rekack it get under check wipe take more pics
thanx later
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04-26-2011, 12:02 PM #39
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04-26-2011, 12:05 PM #40
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