Stick vs. automatic

**myk02k** · 05-02-2006, 08:19 PM

im not lying...you can argue but its all heresay so it really doesnt matter.

on another note, i just got a Jasper class 1 4L60E. it comes with about...every single thing you can do to a 4L60E (minus stall). it shifts so hard open throttle my rear end sways a bit to the right on the highway. it makes a hard slamming noise on WOT shift. i didn't think i'd get too much out of an aftermarket auto trans, but i did. only thing is i dont launch from 0 and wont until i have money to replace the rear end, because im sure its taking a beating right now.

**c5chines** · 05-03-2006, 03:51 AM

One other thing to factor in is that the 4l60 has a real low first gear. I don't know if it holds true with a fbody, but my c5 launches like a rocket from a dead dig provided you have traction.The combo of the light car,the torque of the LS1, weight of the trans in the rear, low first gear and the posi all work to get things going pretty quickly.The trans also shifts fairly hard at WOT, so you are not giving up much to a manual. Plus the manual driver better not lose traction or mess up a shift or the auto will be gone. Two perfect drivers with good traction, I'd say the manual will get it done.Chuck.

**mavrikZ** · 05-03-2006, 06:26 AM

Preference does not change the facts. 6spd's have ALWAYS had quicker 1320 times than autos, in stock cars. End of story.

**boobs** · 05-03-2006, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by mavrikZ

Preference does not change the facts. 6spd's have ALWAYS had quicker 1320 times than autos, in stock cars. End of story.

man im sick of all these threads ending up in arguements.. i prefer an auto but thats just me.. buy what u want.. end of story.

**mavrikZ** · 05-03-2006, 07:17 AM

I wouldnt call them "arguements". Everyone on this board is a competitor by nature, thus our vehicle preferences(and dislikes), it is only expected that it will flow over to our postings. Its all good! I would be willing to bet that you could get crossways with 80%of the people on this board, but at the track, you would be drinkin beer and hangin out, talkin cars with everybody!

**boobs** · 05-04-2006, 06:12 AM

ya i know exactly how that is.. i ride witha club called speed-tribe and on the internet its a bunch of bullshit but when u meet up its all hangin out and ridin and chillin..

**silverz28camaro** · 05-04-2006, 10:28 AM

It all depends on what you want, i picked the a4 in my 2000 z28 because i knew i would be drag racing all the time , don't get me wrong manuals are cool, but they just aren't for me, if you don't know whick one you want they drive them both, manuals can be more fun to drive , but my favorite is the a4. you doo loose about 10hp in an auto but consistency makes up for that.

the big advantage in the m6 is that you get more gears keeping the car in its higher power band. so if you have an auto 3.73 or 4.10s are a must

night and day difference

**explicit** · 05-07-2006, 03:22 PM

Generally you lose about 15% HP from block to wheels through an Automatic Tranny. With a Manual you lose around 10%. These numbers arnt facts, only numbers I have heard a few times. The big loss with an Automatic Transmission is when it is shifting, you lose power while it is shifting, a standard can shift almost instantly if you are a good driver, and you lose no power, only the amount of time you have your foot on the clutch. But if you make a mistake shifting, sucks to be you. Automatic has like 100% consistensy! I say it is up to the driver, and the Tranny.

01vette · 05-07-2006, 08:43 PM

i have a a4 ( intake only ) with the stock 2,73's i raced 3 6 spd vettes havnt lost once -got a little inched one time from a roll but he had exhuast/intake- but yet to lose from a dig -( all 3 cars raced dig and roll)

i guess ppl cant drive all that well-- soo i dont know what the fuss is all about - 6 spd gives u something 2 doo - a4 leaves u alone to deal with the girls.. plus in rush hour traffic the a4 is better.. also when ur tired or not in the mood for playing around. - has for the fun factor, whats more fun then a 3000 pound sports car with 350 hp?? esp when the a4 is just as fast if not faster in the line? i dont see any tracks on my way to work but i sure do see open straight roads

- and u can always put a shift kit in some gears and a stall and have urself a mean little car that can tear up a 6spd

and if thats not fun i dont know what is

01vette · 05-07-2006, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Yea, I'm sure every manual owner would want to trade in their 6-speed sticks for 4 speed autos to gain a small advantage in 1/4 mile times. As if its worth sacrificing the fun, overall performance, and effciency of a manual trans to get a few tenths in a straight line

haha a few tenths is not a small advantage while ur going 100mph+ - a few tenths turns into cars and cars-- and when ur with a girl and the guy u just raced puts a few cars on u (or a few tenths as u call it) u wont be looking to great

and he can be holding his girls hand while beating u lol while ur changing gears

**myk02k** · 05-08-2006, 10:40 AM

doesnt the C6 have the option of a 6-speed manual with an optional shifting and clutch mechanism?

**mavrikZ** · 05-08-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by explicit

Generally you lose about 15% HP from block to wheels through an Automatic Tranny. With a Manual you lose around 10%. These numbers arnt facts, only numbers I have heard a few times. The big loss with an Automatic Transmission is when it is shifting, you lose power while it is shifting, a standard can shift almost instantly if you are a good driver, and you lose no power, only the amount of time you have your foot on the clutch. But if you make a mistake shifting, sucks to be you. Automatic has like 100% consistensy! I say it is up to the driver, and the Tranny.

Dude, the only thing that you said here that is correct, is the "general" percentages. And no, the percentages may not be 'facts', but the power output favoring the 6spd IS fact.
The loss with an automatic tranny has absolutely nothing to do with the shift. Another fact for you, it is a FACT that a human cannot shift a transmission quicker than an ECM. Automatics loose horsepower between the engine and the tires. Translation... drivetrain.

**DBN** · 05-08-2006, 11:18 AM

I think it's been said before. Buy what you like. I love my A4 but some of my friends like manual cars. We all get along. You are buying the car for yourself right? My car is a 2000 C5 coupe with stock 346 c.i. NA. I drive it weekly and on long trips. I also drag race it quite a bit. I run consistent 1.45 60ft times 6.77@100+ in the 1/8 and 10.6@125-127 in the quarter. That is what I like.

**Wesman** · 05-08-2006, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by 01vette

haha a few tenths is not a small advantage while ur going 100mph+ - a few tenths turns into cars and cars-- and when ur with a girl and the guy u just raced puts a few cars on u (or a few tenths as u call it) u wont be looking to great

and he can be holding his girls hand while beating u lol while ur changing gears

You can't be serious...

First of all, autos are at a huge advantage at speeds of 100+ MPH. The autos only have 4 gears to work with, so if you're not in the powerband of either 3rd or 4th, you will lose a 6 speed no questions asked.

I guess it must be awesome though to drive an automatic though, just like your g/f's Escort/Civic/Corolla

**mavrikZ** · 05-09-2006, 06:24 AM

The more I read about the correlation between the mentality and transmission choice of automatic drivers, the more I begin to note a profound simularity= both are simple.

**boobs** · 05-09-2006, 06:44 AM

get wtf u want.. preference.. and mavricz is a professional at being the administrator in these types of threads.. but dont listen to anybody just get what u want..

**mavrikZ** · 05-09-2006, 06:58 AM

[QUOTE=boobs]get wtf u want.. preference.. and mavricz is a professional at being the administrator in these types of threads.

Uhh, should I say 'thank you' or 'fuck you'... just jackin with ya, boobs!

**Zboner** · 05-09-2006, 07:11 AM

i love my auto, but its a stage 3 transmission and stalled.lol

**MadSeason** · 05-09-2006, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Zboner

i love my auto, but its a stage 3 transmission and stalled.lol

that doesn't shift!

**50anv03** · 05-09-2006, 10:39 AM

auto vs manual is a no brainer, i have raced several auto vettes with my 6 speed stock for stock the 6 speed will always win. to each his own, but an auto in a vette would not be much fun for the street. for the track maybe. but most races are on the road where the fun is. my 2 cents