ok camaro guys, answer me this!

**shady milkman** · 07-14-2010, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by konigandy6

I do believe it was actually the other way around. The SOTL exhaust was the option above the dual exhaust.

you sure ?

**konigandy6** · 07-14-2010, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by shady milkman

you sure ?

Well I'd bet YOUR money on it... but not my own.

**shady milkman** · 07-14-2010, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by konigandy6

Well I'd bet YOUR money on it... but not my own.

punk ass

**c5z28** · 07-14-2010, 12:54 PM

Probably an aftermarket el-cheapo
There was an exhaust that was on the lt-1's that was called single on the left or 2 on the left(SOTL). It was one of the best flowing oem mufflers made for the 4th gen (i'm sure the slp lm1 flows better). The tips however are polished and the muffler itself is probably rarer than the slp blackwing lid.

**c5z28** · 07-14-2010, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by konigandy6

I do believe it was actually the other way around. The SOTL exhaust was the option above the dual exhaust.

**jiveass** · 07-14-2010, 01:33 PM

im gonna take a peek inside the window when i get home and see what the speedo says...that should tell us...ill also snap a pic of the exhaust and the emblems....i hope they dont see me lol

**9T8W66** · 07-14-2010, 04:58 PM

All `98 SS and WS6 cars recieved the GM SOTL set up, the SLP Dual Dual was the extra cost option (for the SS only) The Old SLP TOTL system debuted in 1991 on the Original Firehawk and again in 1994 on the 4th Gen Hawk (`93's got a different setup).

BTW I have a SOTL turndown but mines 3.5"

**shady milkman** · 07-15-2010, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by 9T8W66

All `98 SS and WS6 cars recieved the GM SOTL set up, the SLP Dual Dual was the extra cost option (for the SS only) The Old SLP TOTL system debuted in 1991 on the Original Firehawk and again in 1994 on the 4th Gen Hawk (`93's got a different setup).

BTW I have a SOTL turndown but mines 3.5"

yeaa! i was right...im smarter than Andy

**konigandy6** · 07-15-2010, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by shady milkman

yeaa! I was right...im smarter than andy

damn you shady!!!

**jiveass** · 07-15-2010, 04:51 AM

Anyone got an answer to my transmission question?

**shady milkman** · 07-15-2010, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by needls1again

Anyone got an answer to my transmission question?

the 2004R uses the corporate pattern so it will be able to be used for a 350tpi. you may need to buy a new tv cable.

**jiveass** · 07-15-2010, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by shady milkman

the 2004R uses the corporate pattern so it will be able to be used for a 350tpi. you may need to buy a new tv cable.

Any insight on the tran mount location?

**shady milkman** · 07-15-2010, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by needls1again

Any insight on the tran mount location?

nope

**shady milkman** · 07-15-2010, 06:02 AM

why are you picking the 2004r ? i heard it was more expensive to make built proof than the 700r4 and others

**jiveass** · 07-15-2010, 06:10 AM

My buddy has a 3rd gen and needs a tranny....I have the 200r laying around and was thinking bout lettin him use it....just wondering what to expect if we decide to do the swap.

**shady milkman** · 07-15-2010, 06:13 AM

im sure a trans crossmember will need to be changed

**jiveass** · 07-15-2010, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by shady milkman

im sure a trans crossmember will need to be changed

hmm...guess ill do a little research and see what we need as far as a crossmember goes.

**shady milkman** · 07-15-2010, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by needls1again

hmm...guess ill do a little research and see what we need as far as a crossmember goes.

just dig in and swap it..go from there...like i said..the tv cable needs to be swapped and maybe some other little things..but not too much to the old transmissions.

**Firebirdjones** · 07-15-2010, 06:39 AM

The 2004R's are a much better tranny than the 700's or even the 4L60's. They are extremely popular for swaps, the turbo buick guys still use them in 8 or 9 second cars when they are built right. They have a better gear spread than the 700/4L60 that is better suited for the drag strip with a 2.75 first gear. It has less RPM drop on the 1-2 shift and it doesn't hit the tires as hard with the softer first gear.

Some of them came with your standard BOP bell housing but most of them do have the universal bell housing so they can easily be swapped over to a chevy. Remember the 84-86 Monte Carlo SS's came with this trans as well.

They are physically the same length as a 350 turbo,,,so no driveshaft mods are needed, which is what makes them a popular swap. You will however have to move the crossmember back about 3 inches since the mount is towards the very end of the tailshaft on a 2004r.
The shift linkage is also moved inward a small amount, so if you are adapting this to a column shift car, you'll have to modify your linkage slightly, but it can be made to work.
The other stuff like torque converter lockup wiring and TV cable are pretty straight forward with different kits on the market to adapt to just about any car.

**Firebirdjones** · 07-15-2010, 06:43 AM

Edit: Oooops, I just realized you want to swap this into a newer 85 camaro. Leave it to me,,,I'm always thinking about old cars

In which case you run into more problems. In an 85 camaro it probably started life with a 700R4,,,so your driveshaft is going to be too short for the 2004r. You will have to have a new driveshaft made for that application.
I'm not real sure what else you are going to run into because it sounds as if the car has been messed around with already,,,,,GM didn't have 350 TPI's in 1985 yet.