AWD Jap Turbos vs LS1s?

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by EE1983

No one drops a clutch for an AWD launch. Thats how you break stuff. IF you know how to launch, you rev up to around 4000rpm and quickly slip it, kind of like how I did. Thats coming from someone who got 52k out of their stock clutch with over 150-200 launches.

Right.

Slipping the clutch at 4,000RPM, with no wheelspin due to AWD, doesn't burn the clutch up at all. You are in your own little riceboy world there my friend.

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by tonyjnjz

so the drivers of motertrend and car n driver are NOVICE drivers????????? hahahah i dont think so

Did I say they were. No, I didn't.

I said it can make a Novice driver look like a pro.

So for a Pro driver its an extremely easy car to drive.

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Right.

Slipping the clutch at 4,000RPM, with no wheelspin due to AWD, doesn't burn the clutch up at all. You are in your own little riceboy world there my friend.

uh oh here comes the name calling.....he has stated before that his tires DO slip on launch ..all 4 of them...just for a sec....and u went around my rebuttle where u stated evos/stis only FEEEL like they handle better because a NOVICE can push them harder......i wasnt talking about novices...i was talking about guys that test cars for a living stating how they handled EXTREMELY well and it was partly due to the AWD and that your WRONG bud

**EE1983** · 02-26-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

So the reality is that they AWD doesn't make them handle better, it just makes they much easier to drive, which gives the impression of better handling.

Thats probably the dumbest thing Ive heard you say. Youre right, theyre easier to drive so they can pull 73mph in the slalom and more than .90Gs on a skidpad.

Why do you think FWD handles like crap LOL comeon.

**EE1983** · 02-26-2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Right.

Slipping the clutch at 4,000RPM, with no wheelspin due to AWD, doesn't burn the clutch up at all. You are in your own little riceboy world there my friend.

There is wheelspin and no you dont burn the clutch because you do it QUICKLY. You dont sit there and burn it up. Only an idiot would do that. My stock friggen clutch lasted 52k miles doing that with over 100 ft/lb more of torque. You are wrong, just stop talking.

**djvaly** · 02-26-2007, 10:09 AM

FWD can't drift either. and ain't track cars...

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by tonyjnjz

uh oh here comes the name calling.....he has stated before that his tires DO slip on launch ..all 4 of them...just for a sec....and u went around my rebuttle where u stated evos/stis only FEEEL like they handle better because a NOVICE can push them harder......i wasnt talking about novices...i was talking about guys that test cars for a living stating how they handled EXTREMELY well and it was partly due to the AWD and that your WRONG bud

I didn't call anyone any names. Learn to read.

So his tires chirp on the launch. That isn't taking any stress off of the clutch, which has to absord a 4,000RPM difference between the engine and the wheels.

Why don't you prove that AWD makes the car handle better. Give it your best shot. Its not going to happen, because it simply isn't true. The road testers say the cars handle well because they are very predictable and easy to toss around. Yet they don't actually handle better than any other car that pulls .90g's on the skidpad or goes through the slalom at 68MPH.

**secondgearscratch** · 02-26-2007, 10:16 AM

Im not trying to get into something that is over my head but i can vouche for awd. i took a hard left turn at 61 mph and there was hardly any body roll. swear to god. those little fuckers handle. awd makes a difference. i agree to an extent that it can make novice drivers feel like pros but that is just a testament to awd. the reation time is insane. they pull well on the skidpad. and ee is totally right about dumping the clutch. it's impossible. you will bog BADLY. you have to slip it, just like launching a certain v8 monster. but yes awd puts a ton of strain on the drive train bc people do rev them to the sky and dump em. they are novice. ever heard of a good transfer case? neither have i

**EE1983** · 02-26-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Why don't you prove that AWD makes the car handle better. Give it your best shot. Its not going to happen, because it simply isn't true. The road testers say the cars handle well because they are very predictable and easy to toss around. Yet they don't actually handle better than any other car that pulls .90g's on the skidpad or goes through the slalom at 68MPH.

You are whacked.

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by EE1983

You are whacked.

No, you are just a blinded fanboy.

Prove how AWD really helps handling.

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 10:21 AM

u wont let him prove anything.... u wont race him remember?

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by EE1983

There is wheelspin and no you dont burn the clutch because you do it QUICKLY. You dont sit there and burn it up. Only an idiot would do that. My stock friggen clutch lasted 52k miles doing that with over 100 ft/lb more of torque. You are wrong, just stop talking.

No, you are just blind to reality.

Your stock clutch lasted 52K. You want a cookie or something?? I mean seriously, who cares?? Its not about how many miles you can go before its destroyed, the point is that every time you launch an AWD car hard you're talking considerable life off of the clutch, because it has to absorb the difference of 4K RPM (engine) and 0 RPM (wheels).

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by tonyjnjz

u wont let him prove anything.... u wont race him remember?

You like starting trouble, don't you??

Find something better to do.

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 10:23 AM

no yoru ignorant and love talkin shit but u wont back it up and its available to u

**djvaly** · 02-26-2007, 10:24 AM

come on peeps, let's keep it technical and not personal based...

**EE1983** · 02-26-2007, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

No, you are just a blinded fanboy.

Prove how AWD really helps handling.

Why do I have to prove something? Youre the one making these ridiculous claims that AWD doesnt improve handling. The EVO does have a stiff chassis but the weight distribution isnt anything to call home about. The AWD is what makes it great in handling. Its also what makes it predictable and easy to drive. Can you link me to some FWD cars that pull 72mph in the slalom or .90gs on the skidpad in stock form?

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 10:27 AM

OR rwd for that matter for 30k NEW

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by EE1983

Why do I have to prove something? Youre the one making these ridiculous claims that AWD doesnt improve handling. The EVO does have a stiff chassis but the weight distribution isnt anything to call home about. The AWD is what makes it great in handling. Its also what makes it predictable and easy to drive. Can you link me to some FWD cars that pull 72mph in the slalom or .90gs on the skidpad in stock form?

Whats all this about FWD?? Who cares about FWD?? Everyone knows it sucks, all the weight is at the front of the car. The rear just follows whatever the front does.

And since when do Evos pull 72MPH in the slalom?? Best I've ever heard of was 68MPH.

You're obviously missing my point. An AWD car doesn't handle any better than any other car that pulls the same skidpad/slalom numbers. Whats so hard to understand about that?? Its common sense, really.

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 10:36 AM

like i said...find a car that handles better ( better numbers ) for 30k wes...i dont care which wheels drive the car...and find one with such a high center of gravity....the awd has a HUGE factor on the handling..give it up

**EE1983** · 02-26-2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Whats all this about FWD?? Who cares about FWD?? Everyone knows it sucks, all the weight is at the front of the car. The rear just follows whatever the front does.

And since when do Evos pull 72MPH in the slalom?? Best I've ever heard of was 68MPH.

You're obviously missing my point. An AWD car doesn't handle any better than any other car that pulls the same skidpad/slalom numbers. Whats so hard to understand about that?? Its common sense, really.

Find me where it did 68mph. I just lookd it up and almost every single tester Ive seen had it AT LEAST 70mph, up to 73mph.