Buying a truck, opinions wanted.

[bigrondownhiller]

I picked up a brand new Ram last year for 27000. I looked at the Silverado and they were going to match it. Wish you could get the bigger engine in the GM trucks without getting the higher end model. Then I would have gone Chevy. You should be able to find a new truck for what they are selling the other trucks you are looking at.

[5.0THIS]

GM still needed a 6.2 liter to make more power than dodges 5.7. The 6.0 never did.

lol. no. As has been pointed out, GM hit their target power goals for the 6.2 when it came out. And to this day it is still the most powerful gas engine you can get in a half ton truck. The hemi hasn't outpowered the 6.2 in any model year that I know of, and the cubic inches is of little relevance. Ask anybody and it's pretty obvious the GM motor has more potential. We can start looking at head and intake flow numbers if you really want to make an argument about which motor is better engineered.

True but dodge still provide you with more power.

In what? They really don't, unless you're talking about certain cab/bed configurations where GM doesn't offer the 6.2 (which is stupid).

Regardless of what it has to do with one truck has more power than the other truck in the same price range(dodges are actually a little cheaper). And it does it with a smaller engine then the midgrade GM engine.

The midgrade GM engine is the 5.3. And like I said, the new 355hp DI 5.3 apparently outruns an equal size Dodge truck with the hemi. And I don't think GM really cared that the hemi outpowered the 5.3. With the 5.3 GM made an engine that perfectly suited the needs of 95% of half ton truck buyers, and did so very reliably. I assume that was their goal. And if someone wanted more, there's the 6.2, which shits all over the hemi. And I've never heard a hemi ram owner that had to resort to ricer arguments about horsepower per liter .

And if your beef is with the 6.0 in the HD trucks, I can only assume GM still uses it there because it's bulletproof, and because they're trying to push people up to the diesel.

[Zinergy]

lol. no. As has been pointed out, GM hit their target power goals for the 6.2 when it came out. And to this day it is still the most powerful gas engine you can get in a half ton truck. The hemi hasn't outpowered the 6.2 in any model year that I know of, and the cubic inches is of little relevance. Ask anybody and it's pretty obvious the GM motor has more potential. We can start looking at head and intake flow numbers if you really want to make an argument about which motor is better engineered.



In what? They really don't, unless you're talking about certain cab/bed configurations where GM doesn't offer the 6.2 (which is stupid).



The midgrade GM engine is the 5.3. And like I said, the new 355hp DI 5.3 apparently outruns an equal size Dodge truck with the hemi. And I don't think GM really cared that the hemi outpowered the 5.3. With the 5.3 GM made an engine that perfectly suited the needs of 95% of half ton truck buyers, and did so very reliably. I assume that was their goal. And if someone wanted more, there's the 6.2, which shits all over the hemi. And I've never heard a hemi ram owner that had to resort to ricer arguments about horsepower per liter .

And if your beef is with the 6.0 in the HD trucks, I can only assume GM still uses it there because it's bulletproof, and because they're trying to push people up to the diesel.

Point being you have to spend extra money to get the 6.2 liter if want more power than the dodge 5.7 which is considered by most to be the standard for the dodge gassers. The normal and most used engine in these 1500 is the 5.3 liter for GM and the 5.7 liter for dodge. Which has supplied consumers with more power than the other 1500s with the normal engine since it came out in 2002 with 345hp, back when the 5.3 was making 285hp. Your arguments are null and void as they are comparing a optioned out extra cost truck vs the dodge standard. Dodge has been supplying its customers with more power for well over a decade and they are generally cheaper with the standard engines. I still prefer GM trucks for other reasons but the facts are facts.

[theorangeguy]

Point being you have to spend extra money to get the 6.2 liter. The normal and most used engine in these 1500 is the 5.3 liter for GM and the 5.7 liter for dodge. Which has supplied consumers with more power than the other 1500s with the normal engine since it came out in 2002 with 345hp, back when the 5.3 was making 285hp. Your arguments all are null and void because dodge has bee nsupplying its customers with more power for well over a decade and they are generally cheaper. I still prefer GM trucks for other reasons but the facts are facts.

true story...5.7 is pretty much standard in the dodge. They do offer a 4.7 but the 5.7 is the one that sells.

If you want an accurate comparison it would be the Hemi 5.7 vs the GM 5.3 and then the Hemi 6.4 vs the GM 6.2. Thats class for class comparison...saying the 6.2 is better than a 5.7 is pointless because they arent really designed to compete with each other even tho the 5.7 does compete with it lol

Buddy of mine in Huntsville has a vortec max and we lined up when I first bought the truck I have now about 2 years ago and I put about half a truck on him. Thats real world scenario, not whats on paper.

[GTP231]

How does a thread about a couple of GM trucks turn into a paperweight er hemi nut swinging fest?

[98TransAmWs-6]

How does a thread about a couple of GM trucks turn into a paperweight er hemi nut swinging fest?

Not sure since I have no interest in Dodge trucks. The few I have seen lack a lot in the interior and appearance department as their interior sucks compared to my 2006 Charger Daytona, except maybe brand new ones but then GM trucks seem better in my opinion still.

[theorangeguy]

How does a thread about a couple of GM trucks turn into a paperweight er hemi nut swinging fest?

true story...partially my fault because somebody "I think it was zinergy" compared the hemi to a gm motor and it went from there...5.0 helped by comparing engines from a different class to the 5.7

[bigrondownhiller]

Doesn't every thread get derailed on some other topic at some point?

[Zinergy]

This is the intertron boys. Nothing stays on topic.

[5.0THIS]

Point being you have to spend extra money to get the 6.2 liter if want more power than the dodge 5.7 which is considered by most to be the standard for the dodge gassers. The normal and most used engine in these 1500 is the 5.3 liter for GM and the 5.7 liter for dodge. Which has supplied consumers with more power than the other 1500s with the normal engine since it came out in 2002 with 345hp, back when the 5.3 was making 285hp. Your arguments are null and void as they are comparing a optioned out extra cost truck vs the dodge standard. Dodge has been supplying its customers with more power for well over a decade and they are generally cheaper with the standard engines. I still prefer GM trucks for other reasons but the facts are facts.

If your point was to convince us that Dodge trucks are cheaper, we already know that. Dodge has always had to undercut GM and Ford just to sell a fraction of the same number of trucks that Ford and GM sell. My comparisons are absolutely valid though. Obviously most customers didn't give two shits about the hemi having more power, as they bought more expensive 5.3 trucks in spades. Why? Because it's been a better truck and the 5.3 got the job done just fine (a point I made that you conveniently ignored). And as I also stated, it seems the new DI 5.3 is right on par with the hemi, despite being rated for less power. Dodge isn't impressing anyone with the Hemi in the ram as the only real option for a gas motor. If I was buying a ram I wouldn't even bother with the hemi.

Your original argument was that GM needed more displacement to make more power than the 5.7. Doubtful, as most mopar owners would admit the LSx motors have more left out of the box compared to a hemi. Your next argument was that Dodge offers you more power. It doesn't, not in a half ton truck. And then you had to tack on another qualifier to suit your argument that Dodge offered more power for less money. And then, bafflingly, you stated that Dodge did it with a smaller engine than the midgrade GM engine (see your quote above). The midrange GM engine is the 5.3. Last time I looked, 5.7>5.3. So by your own logic, Dodge needed more displacement than the midgrade GM engine to make more power. I cant even say it without thinking of the Honda civic owner that just got smoked by an F body, but still bragging along that they have more horsepower per liter

true story...partially my fault because somebody "I think it was zinergy" compared the hemi to a gm motor and it went from there...5.0 helped by comparing engines from a different class to the 5.7

Dodge's top 1/2 ton gas offering= the hemi. GM's top 1/2 ton gas offering is the 6.2. Only an idiot would deny that comparison. Or maybe you should keep denying it because the 6.2 continues to shit all over the hemi (even the 6.4 version)

In fact it's kind of sad now that GM's mid level V8 now directly competes with Dodge's top gas V8 in the half tons.

[Zinergy]

If your point was to convince us that Dodge trucks are cheaper, we already know that. Dodge has always had to undercut GM and Ford just to sell a fraction of the same number of trucks that Ford and GM sell. My comparisons are absolutely valid though. Obviously most customers didn't give two shits about the hemi having more power, as they bought more expensive 5.3 trucks in spades. Why? Because it's been a better truck and the 5.3 got the job done just fine (a point I made that you conveniently ignored). And as I also stated, it seems the new DI 5.3 is right on par with the hemi, despite being rated for less power. Dodge isn't impressing anyone with the Hemi in the ram as the only real option for a gas motor. If I was buying a ram I wouldn't even bother with the hemi.

Your original argument was that GM needed more displacement to make more power than the 5.7. Doubtful, as most mopar owners would admit the LSx motors have more left out of the box compared to a hemi. Your next argument was that Dodge offers you more power. It doesn't, not in a half ton truck. And then you had to tack on another qualifier to suit your argument that Dodge offered more power for less money. And then, bafflingly, you stated that Dodge did it with a smaller engine than the midgrade GM engine (see your quote above). The midrange GM engine is the 5.3. Last time I looked, 5.7>5.3. So by your own logic, Dodge needed more displacement than the midgrade GM engine to make more power. I cant even say it without thinking of the Honda civic owner that just got smoked by an F body, but still bragging along that they have more horsepower per liter




Dodge's top 1/2 ton gas offering= the hemi. GM's top 1/2 ton gas offering is the 6.2. Only an idiot would deny that comparison. Or maybe you should keep denying it because the 6.2 continues to shit all over the hemi (even the 6.4 version)

In fact it's kind of sad now that GM's mid level V8 now directly competes with Dodge's top gas V8 in the half tons.

Sometimes you are just a little douche. Let me spell it out for you because you are a little slow. THE STANDARD ENGINE IN THE 1500S IS 5.7 AND 5.3. THE 5.7 IS A MORE POWERFUL ENGINE WHICH YOU CAN HAVE THROUGH DODGE WITHOUT PAYING EXTRA FOR THE BIG ENGINE OPTION.

The standard engines are the 5.3 and 5.7 as far as most consumers are concerned. Yes you can pay extra for the 6.2 but most consumers don't see it as cost effective. But I can almost guarantee you that if GM said the 6.2s are now the same price as the 5.3s very very few people would go with the 5.3. Or if GM used a bigger standard engine with more power almost no one would complain.

My only point is that standard vs standard dodge has more power.

Saying the new 355hp 5.3 liter is on par with the dodge engine because of some testers butt dyno is a BS argument that has no place in a factual one. Fact is the standard 1500 engine for GM makes 355hp and the dodge 395hp. Deal with it.

I stated before that I still prefer GM, hell I DD a chevy 1500 with the 5.3 in it.

[67CamaroRSSS]

Sometimes you are just a little douche. Let me spell it out for you because you are a little slow.

Just a little????

[Zinergy]

Just a little????

Just a little, he hasn't been a big douche towards me yet. Just a little one. Probably used on orientals.

[GTP231]

I never saw a window sticker for a hemi that didn't show them costing extra. Same with a 5.3. They must sell trucks differently out bere

[GTP231]

You'd be surprised how many 4.8s are out on the road honestly Zin

[98TransAmWs-6]

You'd be surprised how many 4.8s are out on the road honestly Zin

Or how many of the new ones are the v6s.

[5.0THIS]

Sometimes you are just a little douche. Let me spell it out for you because you are a little slow. THE STANDARD ENGINE IN THE 1500S IS 5.7 AND 5.3. THE 5.7 IS A MORE POWERFUL ENGINE WHICH YOU CAN HAVE THROUGH DODGE WITHOUT PAYING EXTRA FOR THE BIG ENGINE OPTION.

The standard engines are the 5.3 and 5.7 as far as most consumers are concerned. Yes you can pay extra for the 6.2 but most consumers don't see it as cost effective. But I can almost guarantee you that if GM said the 6.2s are now the same price as the 5.3s very very few people would go with the 5.3. Or if GM used a bigger standard engine with more power almost no one would complain.

My only point is that standard vs standard dodge has more power.

Saying the new 355hp 5.3 liter is on par with the dodge engine because of some testers butt dyno is a BS argument that has no place in a factual one. Fact is the standard 1500 engine for GM makes 355hp and the dodge 395hp. Deal with it.

I stated before that I still prefer GM, hell I DD a chevy 1500 with the 5.3 in it.

Nice job resorting to name calling It was fun going through your comments in this thread and picking them apart. By the way, when they tested the acceleration of a new Silverado (5.3) against a new hemi ram (both trucks same configuration), here were the results:

0-60:
Silverado- 6.7
Ram-7.1

1/4 mile:
Silverado- 15.3@92
Ram- 15.6@88

Some butt tester's dyno indeed. If you're still having trouble, let me know if you need me to spell it out for you. BTW, I'm sure you're just waiting for me to nail you with points for a post like this so you can play victim.

Just a little????

I'm glad you think I'm a douchebag, and take every opportunity to pile on with whoever's talking shit to me

[theorangeguy]

5.0 calls me an idiot and then bitches about name calling in the same thread...? Genius!

[Zinergy]

You'd be surprised how many 4.8s are out on the road honestly Zin

I guess I would be. I never see them and trucks are probably the most driven vehicles around here. When I go to lots a large majority of the GMs are 5.3s. The only time I see the 4.7s or 4.8s or 4.3s are tradesmen work trucks. Most are also only 2wd. Jobs that don't require heavy hauling. I rarely see them for personal use.

[Zinergy]

I never saw a window sticker for a hemi that didn't show them costing extra. Same with a 5.3. They must sell trucks differently out bere

Technically they do cost more than the 4.3 v6 but when I say standard I mean the actual definition of the word. The norm... and the 5.3 from what I have seen is the norm for the GM trucks.

Here is an article quote from Sept 2013.

"Demand for the trucks is exceeding a supplier’s ability to produce certain drivetrain parts for the 5.3-liter V-8 engine, the most popular size, and GM is limiting how many dealers can order, said two of the people, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. While one of the people said the issue could be resolved soon, another said it could take longer than a couple of months. They declined to identify the supplier."

Because they are so popular that is what lots are loaded with and that is what the average consumer for personal use expects to see.

Same article.

"The 5.3-liter engine made up about 80 percent of the previous truck’s sales and was expected to be the same going forward, Baum said."