.22 lethal at 300 yards

**02transamce** · 12-25-2011, 12:51 PM

.22 is a very lethal round,dude at the the party was just trying to be billy badass he'd probably piss his pants at the business end of a .22 even at 300 yards.

**jad628** · 04-24-2012, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Tobynine9

That sounds a little... suspect...

More people killed by accident with the .22? More people killed in murders with the .22? More people killed in combat with the .22? More people killed, altogether since the history of firearms with the .22?

It would have an advantage over most any other cartridge since it was created in the 1880's and remains one of the most common cartridges in the world.

**Zinergy** · 04-24-2012, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by jad628

It would have an advantage over most any other cartridge since it was created in the 1880's and remains one of the most common cartridges in the world.

Also we keep using .22 as if that is a type of round. The .22 size is extremely common in ammo, the .223 is a .22, 5.56 is a .22, the 5.7 is considered a .22. There are .22shorts, .22lr, .22 hornet, .22 mag etc.

**dethinboots** · 04-24-2012, 07:56 AM

Seeing insurgents hop back up and run off after being hit with a 5.56 is enough to make you realize that a bigger round is needed. Not doubting that a .22 wouldnt kill a person as well as the added bonus of not having traceable ballistics at close range, but if you really need to put him down like old yeller, i would def suggest a beefier round.

**Zinergy** · 04-24-2012, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by dethinboots

Seeing insurgents hop back up and run off after being hit with a 5.56 is enough to make you realize that a bigger round is needed. Not doubting that a .22 wouldnt kill a person as well as the added bonus of not having traceable ballistics at close range, but if you really need to put him down like old yeller, i would def suggest a beefier round.

People have gotten up after being hit by bigger rounds as well. Just depends where they get hit and also how long they make it before they bleed out. My dad was shot in the leg with a .45 slug and made it a small distance to phone for help. I have seen deer dropped in one shot with a 5.56.

**Knight** · 04-24-2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

Also we keep using .22 as if that is a type of round. The .22 size is extremely common in ammo, the .223 is a .22, 5.56 is a .22, the 5.7 is considered a .22. There are .22shorts, .22lr, .22 hornet, .22 mag etc.

22-250 too. You are 100% correct. A .22 lr at 300 yards......with a perfect shot could be lethal. Some of the other rounds, more than definately are. Even farther than 300 yards.

**dethinboots** · 04-24-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

People have gotten up after being hit by bigger rounds as well. Just depends where they get hit and also how long they make it before they bleed out. My dad was shot in the leg with a .45 slug and made it a small distance to phone for help. I have seen deer dropped in one shot with a 5.56.

No one runs off after the Bradley's 25mm chain gun hit em though

They just kind become vapor and mix with the atmosphere

**0rion** · 04-24-2012, 08:26 AM

we'll take turns at 300 yards......you with a .22 and me with a 30-06

**Zinergy** · 04-24-2012, 08:38 AM

25mm is a good size person killer lol

**Zinergy** · 04-24-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by 0rion

we'll take turns at 300 yards......you with a .22 and me with a 30-06

Ok, if we are indoors and I get to go first and use my .22.

**wileyCoyote** · 04-24-2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by dethinboots

Seeing insurgents hop back up and run off after being hit with a 5.56 is enough to make you realize that a bigger round is needed. Not doubting that a .22 wouldnt kill a person as well as the added bonus of not having traceable ballistics at close range, but if you really need to put him down like old yeller, i would def suggest a beefier round.

military ball ammo incapcitation is largely attributed to the upset, or "yaw" condition that happens as it passes through the body (basically the center of mass is positioned nearer the base of the bullet, and so the disruption caused by impacting tissue/etc cause it to yaw into a kinetically stable attitude)... there are a number of variables at play here, (geometry, anatomy along path, bullet construction, bullet mass, bullet impact velocity, etc), any of which can result in a dichotomy of effects... w/ 5.56, the bullet must pass through about 12cm of tissue before it begins to yaw, ...which produces a large permananent and temporary cavity - this is what gives it maximum incapciation effect,... in malnourished individuals, i.e. "skinnies", ...this effect may never fully develop if it exits before upsetting...

here's one good read by fackler;
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Fackler...ary_rifles.pdf

**Smittro** · 04-26-2012, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

25mm is a good size person killer lol

**0rion** · 04-26-2012, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

Ok, if we are indoors and I get to go first and use my .22.

any other special conditions you need for this miracle shot?

I was thinking outdoors in a rain storm and we each get a leg shot.

I've killed a lot of shit with my 22. Back when I was in high school I carried it around with me everywhere I went. I've made some pretty neat shots over the years. Shot rabbits on the run with it and even shot a grouse out of the air with it. Made some long distance shots with it too. My buddy shot a crow out of a tree once from the truck window. There had to be like a 3 second delay from the time he pulled the trigger until the crow fell.....not sure on the yardage but it was way the hell out there. That all said my 22 is the very last gun I'd grab to kill anything bigger than a squirrel or rabbit out past 50 yards.

**2002ssslp** · 04-26-2012, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by krese

some dude at a party last week was trying to tell me that a .22 at ~50 yards would hardly put a man down.......why are people so dumb???

here is a vid of a .22 going through 8 layers of denim and 4" of beef at 300 yards:

People like this are uninformed and should never handle a gun under any conditions. Guns don't kill people, Morons kill people. A .22 @ 150 ft will kill you. It does not have to knock you down, you will fall down as you bleed to death internally.

**Zinergy** · 04-26-2012, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by 0rion

any other special conditions you need for this miracle shot?

I was thinking outdoors in a rain storm and we each get a leg shot.

I've killed a lot of shit with my 22. Back when I was in high school I carried it around with me everywhere I went. I've made some pretty neat shots over the years. Shot rabbits on the run with it and even shot a grouse out of the air with it. Made some long distance shots with it too. My buddy shot a crow out of a tree once from the truck window. There had to be like a 3 second delay from the time he pulled the trigger until the crow fell.....not sure on the yardage but it was way the hell out there. That all said my 22 is the very last gun I'd grab to kill anything bigger than a squirrel or rabbit out past 50 yards.

It's no where near a mircale shot as long as there is no wind to blow that tiny slug off course. I have shot .22lr at a 300 yard range that is dug into the ground to limit wind and I was on the paper with fist size groups. I never use my .22 for hunting anything other than small game though. Hunting in WI you usually do not get to shoot at anything over 100 yards away. 30-30 is a great gun for hunting here but I keep wanting to buy a lever action that shoots .44 magnum as my next brush gun.

**dethinboots** · 04-26-2012, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

military ball ammo incapcitation is largely attributed to the upset, or "yaw" condition that happens as it passes through the body (basically the center of mass is positioned nearer the base of the bullet, and so the disruption caused by impacting tissue/etc cause it to yaw into a kinetically stable attitude)... there are a number of variables at play here, (geometry, anatomy along path, bullet construction, bullet mass, bullet impact velocity, etc), any of which can result in a dichotomy of effects... w/ 5.56, the bullet must pass through about 12cm of tissue before it begins to yaw, ...which produces a large permananent and temporary cavity - this is what gives it maximum incapciation effect,... in malnourished individuals, i.e. "skinnies", ...this effect may never fully develop if it exits before upsetting...

here's one good read by fackler;
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Fackler...ary_rifles.pdf

Youve taught me something about my own craft. Sir i applaud you

***SMWS6TA*** · 04-26-2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by dethinboots

No one runs off after the Bradley's 25mm chain gun hit em though

They just kind become vapor and mix with the atmosphere

I've seen cows vaporized too (at Jack Mtn and Manning Mtn range)

I missed the old days some times

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***SMWS6TA*** · 04-26-2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by dethinboots

Seeing insurgents hop back up and run off after being hit with a 5.56 is enough to make you realize that a bigger round is needed. Not doubting that a .22 wouldnt kill a person as well as the added bonus of not having traceable ballistics at close range, but if you really need to put him down like old yeller, i would def suggest a beefier round.

I'd also add 9mm to this statement too. Only time I saw one drop immediately was from a head shot.

***SMWS6TA*** · 04-26-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by wileyCoyote

military ball ammo incapcitation is largely attributed to the upset, or "yaw" condition that happens as it passes through the body (basically the center of mass is positioned nearer the base of the bullet, and so the disruption caused by impacting tissue/etc cause it to yaw into a kinetically stable attitude)... there are a number of variables at play here, (geometry, anatomy along path, bullet construction, bullet mass, bullet impact velocity, etc), any of which can result in a dichotomy of effects... w/ 5.56, the bullet must pass through about 12cm of tissue before it begins to yaw, ...which produces a large permananent and temporary cavity - this is what gives it maximum incapciation effect,... in malnourished individuals, i.e. "skinnies", ...this effect may never fully develop if it exits before upsetting...

here's one good read by fackler;
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Fackler...ary_rifles.pdf

Totally agree here.

**0rion** · 04-26-2012, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

It's no where near a mircale shot as long as there is no wind to blow that tiny slug off course. I have shot .22lr at a 300 yard range that is dug into the ground to limit wind and I was on the paper with fist size groups. I never use my .22 for hunting anything other than small game though. Hunting in WI you usually do not get to shoot at anything over 100 yards away. 30-30 is a great gun for hunting here but I keep wanting to buy a lever action that shoots .44 magnum as my next brush gun.

rifles aren't allowed here at all for big game.....thankfully so. We have some real morons walking the woods during deer season. If they allowed rifles I would probably stop gun hunting deer altogether. Even with the shotgun I fear for my life walking in and out of the woods unless it's completely dark or completely light. I will not walk in or out in low light conditions.
The last couple of years I've really got into my black powder gun. Took me a few years to get used to it but it's a really fun gun to shoot. It's kinda the same here as far as distance shots.....100 yards is pushing it really in the woods I hunt. Inside 100 yards that black powder gun does fine though.....still pretty accurate at that range and still has plenty of punch.