In your opinion who do consider the best qb ever?

**FasstChevys** · 10-07-2009, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by imprtkillr2810

I think if Sanders was on a team than had an o-line and could pass the ball, it would have really opened up the run game for him even more. He was awesome with the crappy lions o-line, and every team knew all they could do was RUN. So just think what would have happened if they could have passed too...

They did go to the NFC Championship one year -

**FasstChevys** · 10-07-2009, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

I dunno if he would've had as good stats as he ended up havng. Wheh he was with the Lions, it was all they had, so they ran him to death and he racked up a shit ton of stats.

But that mighta been the reason why he walked away so early, he just got tired. Mayb if he were on a more balanced team, he woulda lasted longer, and hence got better stats?

He walked away because he didn't want to have the all-time NFL rushing title - or so I've heard.

**Neo** · 10-07-2009, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by FasstChevys

I'm totally laughing at all of these bullshit arguements about, "this QB had better receivers" etc etc etc.....

every one of the QB's that are even in the running for the title of "Greatest QB ever" had great receivers.......who the hell is anyone trying to kid here????

Montana - Rice, Taylor, B. Jones, R. Craig
Favre - Driver, Sharpe, Freeman
P. Manning - Harrison, Wayne, Clark
Marino - Duper, Clayton
Young - Rice, Owens, B. Jones, Watters

Without having anyone that can catch the ball, none of these guys are in the discussion.

Brady had nobody until Moss and Welker came around, look at the numbers he put up.

Unitas had Raymond Berry and Lenny Moore and a great coach, but he called his own plays ALL THE TIME and played in maybe the two most important games in football history. 1958 NFL championship game, and Super Bowl III, where Namath predicted his Jets to beat Unitas' Colts, and then did.

On an interesting sidenote, Weeb Ewbank was the winning coach, in BOTH of those games. Goes to show how much of an impact coaching can have. Ewbank is one of the greatest, and I bet before right now, most of you never heard of him

**allbaugh_04** · 10-07-2009, 09:48 AM

How can a receiver be any good without a good QB, vice versa. Dan Marino didn't have what Peyton Manning had, or Tom Brady. He has Randy Moss, come on...

**Y2KArcticSS** · 10-07-2009, 09:55 AM

I go with Brett Favre, simply because that old bastard still wins games...even with teams he's with for only one season. The guy can throw a bullet too. I'm too young to vote Joe Montana, I can't bring myself to vote for someone I've never seen play.

Troy Aikman is from my hometown, but that's pretty much the reason I didn't vote for him. His real personality kind of sucks IMHO.

**rizla's ram air02** · 10-09-2009, 06:03 PM

Brett Farve or Peyton Manning....... both have won rings, both have had many winning seasons in a row, both are extremely tough and not injury prone like Brady. I could keep going but......
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**rizla's ram air02** · 10-09-2009, 06:41 PM

alot of good points but some of the qbs we mention we have never seen so we are talking paper stats which doesn't say how good someone played. brett farve a good qb but he has cost his teams prolly just as many games as he's won not to mention INT's most ever.the pats taping if it did help that much it didn't reflect in running up the scores that year so it really wasn't that much benefit. the giants SB win defence was awsome eli got lucky he was in the graspof defense play should have been whistled ded

**310stanger** · 10-09-2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by rizla's ram air02

alot of good points but some of the qbs we mention we have never seen so we are talking paper stats which doesn't say how good someone played. brett farve a good qb but he has cost his teams prolly just as many games as he's won not to mention INT's most ever.the pats taping if it did help that much it didn't reflect in running up the scores that year so it really wasn't that much benefit. the giants SB win defence was awsome eli got lucky he was in the graspof defense play should have been whistled ded

are you drunk, or is english your second language?

**Hurley711** · 10-09-2009, 06:49 PM

Stats from Montanas era to todays era con not be compared. Teams throw more often today even though it's only 15 years later. Look at all the records broken recently, and then rebroken within a year or 2. Teams throw a hell of alot more nowadays and alot use a variation of the offense that Walsh and Montana started, the West Coast Offense. Quick precise routes short throws and run after the catch in most cases. Montana IMHO is the greatest. As I stated above forget teh records, the era doesn't compare, 4-4 in Super Bowls is all I need to know.

**Hurley711** · 10-09-2009, 06:52 PM

And as far as those saying Montana had Rice Taylor etc etc, well look at that sad sack team he played with in Kansas City in his last season, he had no one offense and he single handedly took that team to the AFC title game.

**310stanger** · 10-09-2009, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Hurley711

Stats from Montanas era to todays era con not be compared. Teams throw more often today even though it's only 15 years later. Look at all the records broken recently, and then rebroken within a year or 2. Teams throw a hell of alot more nowadays and alot use a variation of the offense that Walsh and Montana started, the West Coast Offense. Quick precise routes short throws and run after the catch in most cases. Montana IMHO is the greatest. As I stated above forget teh records, the era doesn't compare, 4-4 in Super Bowls is all I need to know.

Montana was literally unphased by pressure. To be in the middle of an important game and look in the stands during a huddle and say "hey looks thats john candy" is unbelieveable lol He was afraid of nothing. Total control over the situation in the most high pressure of games. He rose to the occasion when it matter and a big game was on the line. Thats the difference to me between a guy thats good and has great stats and being truly "great"

**Y2KPewterSS** · 10-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by 310stanger

Montana was literally unphased by pressure. To be in the middle of an important game and look in the stands during a huddle and say "hey looks thats john candy" is unbelieveable lol He was afraid of nothing. Total control over the situation in the most high pressure of games. He rose to the occasion when it matter and a big game was on the line. Thats the difference to me between a guy thats good and has great stats and being truly "great"

I agree 100%

The only 2 athletes I have ever followed that could do that, Michael Jordan and Joe Montana, when the stakes rose, they elevated themselves and their team. Always always found the way to win. No one ever beat Jordan in the Finals, no one ever beat Montana in the Super Bowl. They both had situations in the big game where they had to come from behind in last minute situations and they both always did.

**FasstChevys** · 10-10-2009, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS

I agree 100%

The only 2 athletes I have ever followed that could do that, Michael Jordan and Joe Montana, when the stakes rose, they elevated themselves and their team. Always always found the way to win. No one ever beat Jordan in the Finals, no one ever beat Montana in the Super Bowl. They both had situations in the big game where they had to come from behind in last minute situations and they both always did.

That about sums it up I'd say!

**allbaugh_04** · 10-10-2009, 06:45 AM

Well one of the best things about Jordan is he never really got hurt.

**LgndKller20073** · 10-10-2009, 12:00 PM

Dan Marino.....yep, he never won a SB, but those stats that he put up in 84 were ridiculous. 48 TD's, 5,084 yards. That was an era when the defense could still be pretty aggressive with receivers. The stats that they put up now aren't comparable to the stats that were put up back then.

**Neo** · 10-11-2009, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS

I agree 100%

The only 2 athletes I have ever followed that could do that, Michael Jordan and Joe Montana, when the stakes rose, they elevated themselves and their team. Always always found the way to win. No one ever beat Jordan in the Finals, no one ever beat Montana in the Super Bowl. They both had situations in the big game where they had to come from behind in last minute situations and they both always did.

It's funny, because both of them are total douchebags in real life.

Jordan's just a bitter, grumpy old man, and you can't even go up to Montana to shake his hand without him assuming you're asking for an autograph and telling you to fuck yourself.

Montana doesn't do shit without getting paid. That's why you see so few interviews with him, so few functions including him. Hell, when they introduced all the Super Bowl greats at one of the SB's a few years back, he wasn't there because he wouldn't be paid, and they had to skip over al those years where he was MVP. Just unbelievable.

**02transamce** · 10-11-2009, 08:42 PM

Elway.

**TARZAN** · 10-11-2009, 08:47 PM

Warren Moon....because he managed to play for a long time and acceled at being mediocre

-Will

**Neo** · 10-11-2009, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by 02transamce

Elway.

Good suggestion. This guy was a winner too, and it was always fun to watch him play. Full of heart

**allbaugh_04** · 10-12-2009, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

It's funny, because both of them are total douchebags in real life.

Jordan's just a bitter, grumpy old man, and you can't even go up to Montana to shake his hand without him assuming you're asking for an autograph and telling you to fuck yourself.

Montana doesn't do shit without getting paid. That's why you see so few interviews with him, so few functions including him. Hell, when they introduced all the Super Bowl greats at one of the SB's a few years back, he wasn't there because he wouldn't be paid, and they had to skip over al those years where he was MVP. Just unbelievable.

You gotta think about what kind of life they had, him and Jordan, always worshiped and never left alone. I'm not really sure how famous people put up with the public. It'd get old quick...put an introverted person in a situation like that and of course they are gonna be bitter. Shit, even I hate going out to the store around other people. Just imagine if every one knew who I was and I can't even pick up tooth paste without being bothered...