Lets give GM a reason to build the new T/A

**jujofields** · 03-20-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by LIGHTNINGMCQUEEN

This "Modern Muscle war" (Camaro, Mustang and CHallenger) unfortunatly isnt going to last long. Just read the latest articles in Motor Trend. The CAFE is here and its all over. By the way The Bird isnt dead, I got one alive and well in my driveway. While everyone is driving there new pony cars.....Im driving by in a legend. CAN I GET AN AMEN???!!!!!

AMEN! PREACH ON!

**jujofields** · 03-20-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by shady milkman

also worth noting is the age of the f-body platform..it was a tired platform and with increasing safety regulations also helped finalize it

I definitely agree with you. Also worth noting is the fact that GM decided to focus their advertising on other vehicles instead of the f-body.

**LS1buckey** · 03-20-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by RedFenix_68

you are right one movie wouldnt kill a whole line of cars, or for that matter the f-body. But its not the movie im talking about bud. its the movement. thee "tuner era." now that would most definiteley help in the demise of the f-body, and every other muscle.

trust me no movement of ricers killed the f-bodys. your one of them arnt you? I bet you are.

**BdAsBrd01** · 03-20-2008, 10:53 PM

Let the Bird have a break...for a while. If they brought it back now, then they would be so expensive not too many true Bird lovers could afford one. And let's face it, when the new Camero does hit the streets it's mainly going to be yuppies and mama's boys in them.
American Muscle (what's left of it) has become a plaything of the rich, which we all know is NOT how it started. It started with the "working class" everyday people who are now struggling so hard financially that it would be an insult to them to bring back a beloved icon that only the well-to-do could enjoy.

**LS1buckey** · 03-20-2008, 10:57 PM

what's your def of "well to do"? also it's had 6 year break already.

**BdAsBrd01** · 03-20-2008, 11:46 PM

well-to-do would be 200,000+ per year. Most people I know that love this type of car are struggling to make mortgage and would enjoy a new Bird, but would not be able to afford it. That leaves the middle class out-- which are the primary basis of muscle car lovers.

**FreeBird89** · 03-21-2008, 12:41 AM

If GM decides to bring back anything, they better bring it back right or else its just not worth the time. Its gotta be affordable, has to appeal to the middle class, and has to hold its muscle car heritage. This can be GM first step to get back on track. Well see

**RedFenix_68** · 03-21-2008, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by shady milkman

didnt kill them when the gas crisis hit and the eco push..so somehow i doubt some stupid movie would kill the f-body

poor sales, increasing safety regulations, and a 30+ year old platform is what killed it

whatever, im not going to keep arguing b/c your one of those peeps thats alsways gotta be right... well "your right." there you go.

**krese** · 03-21-2008, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by BdAsBrd01

well-to-do would be 200,000+ per year. Most people I know that love this type of car are struggling to make mortgage and would enjoy a new Bird, but would not be able to afford it. That leaves the middle class out-- which are the primary basis of muscle car lovers.

this is exactly what the issue was..... they made the trans am/Z28 cost too much for most of the people that want it... the mustang gt was a few thousand less and didn't compete so much with the vette.

**RedFenix_68** · 03-21-2008, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by LS1buckey

trust me no movement of ricers killed the f-bodys. your one of them arnt you? I bet you are.

ya i guess im one of those ricers right? b/c i own a 89' formula and a 2000 trans am ws6. yup must be a ricer, oh yay, i got a shit load of fog lights and stickers on both my cars......common grow up. your just one of those guys who bought the bird to try and look "cool" heh? or are you going to just sit here and talk about the same shit over and over, look were both on the same side here. i posted this thread for opinions not arguments over stupid bullshit such as this of which you have started. so please knock the shit off.

**nhraformula** · 03-21-2008, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by RedFenix_68

whatever, im not going to keep arguing b/c your one of those peeps thats alsways gotta be right... well "your right." there you go.

hes right. why would you argue that.
the f-body was an old and tired platform, low sales and upcoming new regs helped kill it.

**LS1buckey** · 03-21-2008, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by RedFenix_68

ya i guess im one of those ricers right? b/c i own a 89' formula and a 2000 trans am ws6. yup must be a ricer, oh yay, i got a shit load of fog lights and stickers on both my cars......common grow up. your just one of those guys who bought the bird to try and look "cool" heh? or are you going to just sit here and talk about the same shit over and over, look were both on the same side here. i posted this thread for opinions not arguments over stupid bullshit such as this of which you have started. so please knock the shit off.

first I am older than you the only reason I am saying all this is because you insist that some 4 banger kids killed one of the most loved cars of all time which is crazy. eather way I'll stop, some day you will learn. Oh and by the by this is my 4th f-body I don't give a shit how I look to anybody I love these cars.

**shady milkman** · 03-21-2008, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by RedFenix_68

whatever, im not going to keep arguing b/c your one of those peeps thats always gotta be right... well "your right." there you go.

dont tell me what kind of person i am..its ludicrous that you would think that a single movie killed a 35 year old line of cars??

if that was the case..then why did the mustang survive? the f-bodies were not targeted to 15-18 year old market anyways. how many 15-18 year old kids could afford a 30k+ muscle car anyways? I think it is very foolish to think one event caused the epic fail of a entire platform. They RETIRED the platform..they planned to anyways even before 2002. It was just how things were meant to be. Even if the f-bodies sold well through there 4th gen..they would have been put on a new platform anyways. I'm not trying bash you..but you got to think about your theory before you go around saying its the sole reason why f-bodies are dead.

**Rare98Ragtop** · 03-21-2008, 12:49 PM

Even without CAFE, GM would not bring back the "Firebird" with out the "Trans Am" model. It has been stated before that the bird would not re-appear because of the licensing fees assotiated with the Trans Am name. GM is not willing to pay those licensing fees again. I personally wish our "Camaro" would have stayed "The Last Of The Breed" also.

Robert

**shady milkman** · 03-21-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rare98Ragtop

Even without CAFE, GM would not bring back the "Firebird" with out the "Trans Am" model. It has been stated before that the bird would not re-appear because of the licensing fees assotiated with the Trans Am name. GM is not willing to pay those licensing fees again. I personally wish our "Camaro" would have stayed "The Last Of The Breed" also.

Robert

gorgeous maro by the way..you got my during that cotm

**Rare98Ragtop** · 03-21-2008, 02:07 PM

Thanks Shady.

Robert

**rajiv1998** · 03-21-2008, 04:38 PM

Lets not give them a reason to build another one. Face it there gone but sure as hell not forgotten. Look at what happened with the GTO...UGLY! I like it that they dont make them any more, because thats wut makes them stand out in the crowd unlike stangs and vettes. Drive a WS6 down the road and every head will turn, take a stang down the same road and no1 will care cuz there are so many of them.

**Silver Streak** · 03-21-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by rajiv1998

Lets not give them a reason to build another one. Face it there gone but sure as hell not forgotten. Look at what happened with the GTO...UGLY! I like it that they dont make them any more, because thats wut makes them stand out in the crowd unlike stangs and vettes. Drive a WS6 down the road and every head will turn, take a stang down the same road and no1 will care cuz there are so many of them.

Very true... I was on the kick of having them build a new one for a while as well.. so that I can finally get the BRAND NEW car.. not new to me car... with a warranty, no miles, no history, no jerrry rigs, etc... but then thought about it.. without a new one.. I'll run mine till the engine goes.. spend 5 grand on a new one.. run it for anotehr 100,000, etc.. instead of being 30,000 in debt right away...

**chuckie669** · 03-21-2008, 05:19 PM

Sorry I didn't read the thread, but I'd be very unhappy if they messed up the T/A. Plus all those poor souls that have the last of the breed logos would have to be rebadged...

**Silver Streak** · 03-21-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by chuckie669

Sorry I didn't read the thread, but I'd be very unhappy if they messed up the T/A. Plus all those poor souls that have the last of the breed logos would have to be rebadged...

yup...