no love for the f-bodies

ls1BrownBoots · 01-11-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by zman1969

Lee, those are good points , just wait till the new Shelby cobra comes out dealers are gonna sell way over list on those cars like the ford GT - theres one in the town where i live with a 160K !!! sticker -and 300K asking price RIDICULOUS!! remember Ford is in same financial boat as GM too much $ going to retired employees

not too smart - Chrysler got out of their woes years ago from Iacoca's help and US-uncle sam

160 K sticker for a GT, shit man was that engine made of 24K gold? 300K sh!t man maybe platnum. I aint seen no 160K mustang anywhere, shit man i could buy a 7 series bmw for that kind of loot. I smell some sh!t ... some one's been drinkin

Venom · 01-11-2006, 02:16 PM

Man all I see is a bunch of guys jelous that there automaker couldnt compete! Both vehicles have there ups and downs and should both deserve there do respect to say a mustang is slow is ludacris every year its up and down some years f-bodies edge out the mustang and other years its the other way around. And in all honesty who cares how they come stock noone keeps them that way, even a 2v gt can have the bottom end built up and get fed 20lbs of boost and put down 600 horse. So quit talkin smack!

**zman1969** · 01-11-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by ls1BrownBoots

160 K sticker for a GT, shit man was that engine made of 24K gold? 300K sh!t man maybe platnum. I aint seen no 160K mustang anywhere, shit man i could buy a 7 series bmw for that kind of loot. I smell some sh!t ... some one's been drinkin

have you looked at a Ford GT? not a Mustang GT they want 300k for the one where i live - love the car but but rather save the 50+k(sticker price mind you) and get a Z06 that Ford dealer is the one on Smack!

excuse my lack of enthusiasm for a 7 series BMW I am into American muscle - no rice or sauerkraut here

ls1BrownBoots · 01-11-2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by zman1969

have you looked at a Ford GT? not a Mustang GT they want 300k for the one where i live - love the car but but rather save the 50+k(sticker price mind you) and get a Z06 that Ford dealer is the one on Smack!

excuse my lack of enthusiasm for a 7 series BMW I am into American muscle - no rice or sauerkraut here

Ah... the GT is a different animal. We were talking about mustangs so i presumed you ment the mustang GT.

I'm not a fan of the german engineering myself, just using it as a price reference.

lee1rbc · 01-11-2006, 03:22 PM

Man all I see is a bunch of guys jelous that there automaker couldnt compete! Both vehicles have there ups and downs and should both deserve there do respect to say a mustang is slow is ludacris every year its up and down some years f-bodies edge out the mustang and other years its the other way around. And in all honesty who cares how they come stock noone keeps them that way, even a 2v gt can have the bottom end built up and get fed 20lbs of boost and put down 600 horse. So quit talkin smack!

It is true that Ford has taken a better approach at saving the Mustang, and the new Mustang is helping. But to be jealous of a car that had its best sales year in 1979??

I care how my car comes stock, and I cant afford to spend 10 grand on my 10 grand car(bottom end, 20 psi boost). thats why I own an LS1!

**Fastcar** · 01-11-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by firebird99

in my area fbodies r very rare compared to mustangs.for every f-body u see theres probally 100 mustangs.i love my f-body and wouldnt trade it for any pusstang ..i mean mustang..but why is it theres no love for f-bodies in my area.i guess what im saying is f-bodies in new england area raise up and show some pride for your beauty

When I went looking to buy my F-body I scoured the want ads, went on line and went to all the Pontiac dealers in Jersey. NOBODY had what I wanted, which was either a T/A or Z-28 with auto (I'm an old f*rt and I drive to NYC a lot, stick sux in traffic). One dealer said that it was rare to see an F-body in my area because 1) most people don't want a car that they can realistically drive perhaps 10 months out of the year (they don't have enough money for a 2nd car just for pleasure driving, I was fortunate) and 2) insurance rates are high for the young drivers that lust after F-bodies and most older fuddy-duddies my age are looking for a luxocruiser to ease their achin' bones into. He said that he might see 2 F-bodies in three years and the dealership generally wholesaled them quickly to dealerships in warmer states. Yeah I could have bought a used Beemer for what I paid for my T/A but they're so common around here it's like dog poop on the sidewalk, they're all over the place. I knew what I was getting into beforehand (I still have a 1974 AMX with a 401 that I bought NEW, built the way I wanted it), but I wanted something distinctive, eye-catching and a real a**-kicker too. Can't beat T-tops on a nice spring/summer day, want to make you cruise forever. We bought our cars because we love them, the way they look, they way they perform. Rustangs to me just don't make the fire burn.... 'cuz everyone can have one. I also love my AMX but she's a show driver only, too rare to risk in the real world any more. If anything happens I can still fix the T/A, it's still new enough. MUSCLECARS FOREVER!!

**Herloss** · 01-12-2006, 04:26 AM

Hey guys - it's odd to read these posts about the rareness of the F-bodies and especially a WS6 or SS Camaro even Z28. I live in Northern rural Indiana and I even more rarely see a (let's be general here) V-8 F-body. Yeah, Mustangs are a dime a dozen. Even the six cylindar F-bodies are becomming rare..... Is the general opinion that our cars will climb in value? Do you really believe they will turn around and "appreciate" as opposed to steep depreciation?
I have a 1997 WS6 Triple White Convertible Trans Am and I have no idea how rare it is or is not. Cannot find any production numbers about it.................. I love - LOVE the car and for a head turner?? It does the job and then some. I also just bought a 2000 Z28 that had the 18" Z06 wheels on - loaded Z...... black........ definite head turner. Both dealers had the cars and were going to list them on Ebay, I got the lucky deal of a lifetime on the convertible. I'm curious, when did the trend begin of putting the Z06 wheels on the F-bodies? The more I look on the 'Net, I see it's a big trend. They look really sharp - but I wish I could get a different center cap as mine have the Corvette emblem on them which sorta throws it off a bit in my opinion.
I love to see a F-body on the road........... Trying to find one to buy at a car lot is a very, very tough find though. My brother just did, a 1999 Trans Am, but that took months of looking..........
Anyone have some answers to my questions....... or opinions??

**_JB_** · 01-15-2006, 03:19 PM

One of reasons I got my car was because you don't see them. I maybe saw 50-100 4th gen f-bods this spring-fall on the roads, maybe 20 WS6.

**Black R/A** · 01-15-2006, 03:41 PM

The Mustang was marketed better. It was heavily discounted around here too. Every dealer had them advertised and on sale. Every sale I saw for an F-body was 5-$10,000 more than a Mustang (for the V8 models). Mustang was a much more practical car also. The trunk was easy to use, versus the F-body's terrible design so women bought them in greater numbers.

I like the styling of my WS6. It's such a nice car, and it does look quite exotic. The Mustang looks very pedestrian by comparison. At any time if you put someone next to a WS6 and a Mustang, they will choose the WS6 every time.

**Herloss** · 01-16-2006, 04:24 AM

I agree. I am also a DeLorean fan - just something I have always liked since I was a kid and always will. I never got to have one - yet - but I will. ONE time I had one pass me on the road and it was way too cool! I was really in awe about the car and how rare it is. Now, the WS6 Trans Am is becoming that way to me - I have one pass me by every now and then - that is maybe when I am in a larger city nearby (Chicago IL or some larger Indiana city). There are die-hard Mustang fans, seems to be mostly ladies...... but I will take my T/A every time. On the same note, I rarely see a SS Camaro either ... And if I had to count the number of general F-bodies, I would say maybe I saw 60 in the last 9 months and that is LOW. I wonder where the hell all the cars are???? I am sure not everyone is keeping them placed in storage too. I would hope to NOT think they are in the junk yards already. ZAK

ls1BrownBoots · 01-16-2006, 01:53 PM

Well you can chalk up another "no love for the f-body" here if you want too. Today i traded in my 2000 trans Am WS6 for what you ask... What...
A 2003 Ford Mustang Terminator Cobra. Yes my trans am was in mint condition and only had 43,000 miles on the clock. Yes she was a rare find, although not as rare as a terminator, especially a SVT 10th anniversary edition. Yes she drove down the road mint, and was a real beauty. but my marriage to her was an affair, because my heart belonged to another. Terminators have always held a fondness from me that couldn't be over come when i went to the dealership with a friend who was shopping for a car for this summer. I wasn't even looking for a car. That was until i stumbled upon this torch red terminator in the back of the show room. Sitting all polished up and gleaming with only 3,005 miles on her clock exactly. The original ford window sticker, laminated and on the passenger seat. i was overcome with emotion. It was love at first sight. As my friend and i left the dealership and i began the drive home, i felt a part of me was being left behind. I knew we had to be together and it was meant to be. I broke the news to my old lady, she was not impressed. Then i broke the news to my other lady, the black beauty. I swear i saw a frown under her huge breathing nostrils. As i drove her up to the dealership i spoke fondly to her and advised her she would be fondly remembered and that she deserved someone else who could be faithful to her. We parted ways, perhaps never to see each other ever again. After an hour of paperwork, to consummate my divorce and remarriage alas we were together. Her limited edition 17” SVT anniversary wheels and factory eagle F1 tires were polished and looked so beautiful reflecting the sun a tear came to my eye. Her roots type supercharger singing in the cold New England winter air on the ride home. My heart was pumping and my blood began to run forever blue.

So I bid farewell to my former LS1 crowd. I shall cherish the memories for the time, until I make new ones at New England dragway this spring. Before I know it I’ll have gone from LS1 to LS-what!

ls1BrownBoots · 01-16-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by ls1BrownBoots

Well you can chalk up another "no love for the f-body" here if you want too. Today i traded in my 2000 trans Am WS6 for what you ask... What...
A 2003 Ford Mustang Terminator Cobra. Yes my trans am was in mint condition and only had 43,000 miles on the clock. Yes she was a rare find, although not as rare as a terminator, especially a SVT 10th anniversary edition. Yes she drove down the road mint, and was a real beauty. but my marriage to her was an affair, because my heart belonged to another. Terminators have always held a fondness from me that couldn't be over come when i went to the dealership with a friend who was shopping for a car for this summer. I wasn't even looking for a car. That was until i stumbled upon this torch red terminator in the back of the show room. Sitting all polished up and gleaming with only 3,005 miles on her clock exactly. The original ford window sticker, laminated and on the passenger seat. i was overcome with emotion. It was love at first sight. As my friend and i left the dealership and i began the drive home, i felt a part of me was being left behind. I knew we had to be together and it was meant to be. I broke the news to my old lady, she was not impressed. Then i broke the news to my other lady, the black beauty. I swear i saw a frown under her huge breathing nostrils. As i drove her up to the dealership i spoke fondly to her and advised her she would be fondly remembered and that she deserved someone else who could be faithful to her. We parted ways, perhaps never to see each other ever again. After an hour of paperwork, to consummate my divorce and remarriage alas we were together. Her limited edition 17” SVT anniversary wheels and factory eagle F1 tires were polished and looked so beautiful reflecting the sun a tear came to my eye. Her roots type supercharger singing in the cold New England winter air on the ride home. My heart was pumping and my blood began to run forever blue.

So I bid farewell to my former LS1 crowd. I shall cherish the memories for the time, until I make new ones at New England dragway this spring. Before I know it I’ll have gone from LS1 to LS-what!

I leave you with a video

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....terminator&p=0

**snaggeltooth** · 01-16-2006, 02:45 PM

I just have 1 question. If your Cobra has 390 horses and the 2000 ws6 only has 320 , why do you need bolt ons to beat one. Just another good reason to Keep the f-body.

ls1BrownBoots · 01-16-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by snaggeltooth

I just have 1 question. If your Cobra has 390 horses and the 2000 ws6 only has 320 , why do you need bolt ons to beat one. Just another good reason to Keep the f-body.

need bolt ons? son it's time to grow up and play with the big boys. I don't need bolt on's! And that 390 horse, thats to the rear wheels, where as the 320 the Trans Am makes is measured at the crank. Ford claims 390 at the crank, but dyno tests prove the car makes 390 at the rear wheels, that video i posted shows a dyno run on a factory terminator cobra. Full screen it my friend and look where the line peaks.

Speaking as a man who has owned both, i can tell you which one is faster, but you don't want to know, but i can bet you can guess.

**snaggeltooth** · 01-16-2006, 04:01 PM

Better? HMMM that is a tough one . Some might say the mustang is better because you seem them everywhere. I understand that a Cobra might be faster. I have a 97 T/A and it is my daily driver. I see no need to put a bunch of bolt ons to it to make it be the fastest, there is plenty of people out there doing that. I dont see why you are on a thread talking about how great your mustang is.If you want a mustang more than a f-body fine, I am sure there is someone out there more than pleased with your trade in.

lee1rbc · 01-16-2006, 04:30 PM

2003 Cobras avg 365rwhp stock. 2002 WS6 T/As avg 315rwhp stock.
F-body cars are more aerodynamic, weigh less and have a better weight transfer for traction.

All that extra money spent for your Ford I could S/C an LS1. But after looking at your post I question wether you have ever owned an LS1. Sound more like a Mustang GT troll.

**snaggeltooth** · 01-16-2006, 05:36 PM

I guess thats why Ford has to supercharge everything to keep up. There best mustang, supercharged, the GT supercharged, the Shelby 500 supercharged. I wonder what a supercharged Firehawk could do???

ls1BrownBoots · 01-16-2006, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by lee1rbc

2003 Cobras avg 365rwhp stock. 2002 WS6 T/As avg 315rwhp stock.
F-body cars are more aerodynamic, weigh less and have a better weight transfer for traction.

All that extra money spent for your Ford I could S/C an LS1. But after looking at your post I question wether you have ever owned an LS1. Sound more like a Mustang GT troll.

dude check your facts son, check your facts son. your telling me a car that makes 320 at the crank puts 315 to the rear wheels. Dude i doubt you have ever owned or ever worked on a car to begin with. It's called drivetrain loss son, look it up, and come post when you know what your talking about. Like i mentioned before in prior posts. if you doubt the power to the rear wheels a 03 cobra makes, there are plenty of dyno reports available online. 390 son 390!!! to the rear wheels. I am not knocking the f-body. i liked my trans am, but i love my cobra. i love not having a hump for my cat's on my passenger side floor. I like not hearing all the rattles the f-bodys have when you hit a bump. i love having leather seats that are completely covered in leather, and the backs aren't plastic. I love the leather center console, over the plastic of the f-body. I like having a strong 8.8" rear end and not a weak 7.5" i love being in a lighter car, you claim the f-body is lighter, but your wrong, again son. look it up. go on, you got internet access, look it up. the ls1 is a good motor and makes power on the cheap, but the f-body is a 4000 pound rattle box once you put some miles on it. the only thing you stated correctly is the f-body does have better weight distribution, but you incorrectly claimed it was for traction. the correct reason is for road handling. Thats also what makes the f-body a nightmare to work on, because the engine is stuck half under the firewall, but it sounds like you don't know what your talking about, so you prolly never had the hood up on one.

ls1BrownBoots · 01-16-2006, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by snaggeltooth

I guess thats why Ford has to supercharge everything to keep up. There best mustang, supercharged, the GT supercharged, the Shelby 500 supercharged. I wonder what a supercharged Firehawk could do???

dont know they never built one, but it would have been a bad ass if they did no doubt.

**snaggeltooth** · 01-16-2006, 06:12 PM

Granted. i think we are off subject a bit, but that is ok. I dont get into the rwhp vs, crank hp. I thought about getting a Mustang for a very long time. I looked very hard at a nice 01 Bullitt. But for me there is just to many GTs out there . I have always wanted something a little differint. i have had a f-body from every gen. My favorite was a 69 Firebird with the original 350. I know Ford and GM has always been at war so to spak. But at least you didnt trade for a Mitsu or Honda, remember they are the true enemy.