PS3 or 360?

[BLACKBIRD8200]

[QUOTE=bmyers;1201974]

*****FAN BOY ALERT*****

Please explain? Where the Fan boy thing comes from. I think both systems are great. But one is a better system in total and the other has more games and way better online play and has some hardware problems. none of that is a lie its facts.

I do like and own a PS3 so if that makes me a so called fan boy then so be it.
then the same goes for you if you like or own a 360.
I will buy a360 when they fix the hardware problems their having.They got some really great games. but they don't and never will have thee game GT5.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Your wrong the ps3 doesn't need to upconvert any of their games because there all blu ray. and second check your facts Lair for the ps3 is 25 gig game look it up and besides dvd9 disc can only be converted to NEAR HD qaulity not 720 or 1080i/p there just upconverted to picture better then 480

I think both systems are good systems but the ps3 is just more advanced then the 360. plus the failure rate of 70% on 360's is scary plus you can't access the internet, its not wi-fi. nor bluetooth, it can't play hd movies unless you spend another $179.the failure rate on a ps3 is far less. You can have up to 7 players on a ps3 all bluetooth you can charge and play at the sametime (I'm unsure if you can do the on a 360) plus the ps3 has free online play ( yes i know the 360's online is better but mine is free) the ps3 has a 2.5
sata internal hard drive which can be removed for a larger hard drive how about a 160gig ps3.

And they now have 200gig blu ray disc. Lets see that with a dvd9. please google it before you reply

play what you want to play but don't say the ps3 isn't a better system when it clearly is the only thing the 360 has going for it is its mass amount of games it has for it. which is great by the way thats my only complaint about the ps3 but then again the ps3 has only been out for a year while the 360 has been out for 2 1/2 years and 70% of those are broke and being repaired.

I was mainly talking about DVD movies being played on both systems when mentioning up-converting...I know ps3 games and blu ray movies are uncompressed. What I should've said was great games made correctly don't need to be uncompressed...see any current PC or 360 game for that.

Is this the Lair you're talking about? http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/l...g=result;img;0 Hmmm, I guess all of the 25 gigs didn't make it a good game...hopefully that's not a PS3 trend. Oh wait...

The drive speed of the blu ray is a lot slower then a reg dvd drive....add the huge disc space and you have the notorious long load times for the PS3. That's the problem with a new tech drive(just like the old dvd players from years ago)...the first one's are always slow as hell. http://arstechnica.com/journals/thum...2007/1/17/6658 <-------good article

I've owned 2 360's (original was a launch console owned for 1 1/2 years, never gave me a prob) and the one i have now. So by your 70% statistic one of my two should've failed...but neither have even given me a problem. So either your stats are off or i'm one lucky SOB and should run out and buy a lottery ticket I seriously doubt 7 out of 10 360's fail..

Also good thing that you can charge the controllers at the same time...the way bluetooth goes through batteries you'll need it.

I'll buy a PS3 when the PS3 game console has games to play on it...if I want to watch blu-ray movies i'll wait for the players to drop in price, which they will.

[BLACKBIRD8200]

I was mainly talking about DVD movies being played on both systems when mentioning up-converting...I know ps3 games and blu ray movies are uncompressed. What I should've said great games made correctly don't need to be uncompressed...see any current PC or 360 game for that.

Is this the Lair you're talking about? http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/l...g=result;img;0 Hmmm, I guess all of the 25 gigs didn't make it a good game...hopefully that's not a PS3 trend. Oh wait...

The drive speed of the blu ray is a lot slower then a reg dvd drive....add the huge disc space and you have the notorious long load times for the PS3. That's the problem with a new tech drive(just like the old dvd players from years ago)...the first one's are always slow as hell. http://arstechnica.com/journals/thum...2007/1/17/6658 <-------good article

I've owned 2 360's (original was a launch console owned for 1 1/2 years, never gave me a prob) and the one i have now. So by your 70% statistic one of my two should've failed...but neither have even given me a problem. So either your stats are off or i'm one lucky SOB and should run out and buy a lottery ticket I seriously doubt 7 out of 10 360's fail..

Also good thing that you can charge the controllers at the same time...the way bluetooth goes through batteries you'll need it.

I'll buy a PS3 when the PS3 game console has games to play on it...if I want to watch blu-ray movies i'll wait for the players to drop in price, which they will.

My controllers stay charged for days on end and I have played several hour session for several days and never had a problem.
I never said lair was a great game you said there were no games bigger then 9 gigs. I just showed you there is.

I already agreed that the 360 has better games at this point in time.But yet you can't understand that the 360 has been out twice as long too I'm just simply saying that dvd9 is not the future for movies or games. At some point everything will be HD which can't be done on dvd9.

And the whole dvd9 game thing is a joke its all about space and how much a disc can hold. the more space the better graphics,sound, longer game play everything gets better IF USED PROPERLY.

And nobody has answered the question I asked.

If a DVD9 disc can't support a HD movie Then how is 360 playing HD games on a DVD9 disc. When a game takes alot more space then a movie?

Like i said I will purchase a 360 at some point after they fix there problems. and if you don't believe about the 70% kill rate look up

Just wondering why you own 2 360's? whatever you want play is fine with me I'm just stating facts about the PS3 and or 360 and correcting persons with wrong info.

[BLACKBIRD8200]

Come ON! Start posting something else than far reached badly research articles.. we want Aars back!

Here is a lesson from some guys who knows their shit:

A 12x CAV drive like the one in the 360 will be 12x speed for around 15% of the outer disc, that figure is peak performance. The closer to the inner ring it gets the slower accesses get (5x speed on the inner ring) - probable average: around 8x speed. Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. This is why Sony is comfortable with its choice and knows it will hold its own against MS's choice in the DVD format.

[ATCharming]

70% sounds accurate. every single friend i know that has an xbox 360 has had the red ring. its only a matter of time... ive only had mine for a month, and i got it once but it went away (yes it was a miracle)

but i understand it will probly happen to mine also (permanently) and ill just deal with it. im pretty sure they fixed the chip problem now, but im not sure

anyways, im gettin call of duty 4 for christmas so between that and halo 3, i have no need to have friends lol

[BLACKBIRD8200]

70% sounds accurate. every single friend i know that has an xbox 360 has had the red ring. its only a matter of time... ive only had mine for a month, and i got it once but it went away (yes it was a miracle)

but i understand it will probly happen to mine also (permanently) and ill just deal with it. im pretty sure they fixed the chip problem now, but im not sure

anyways, im gettin call of duty 4 for christmas so between that and halo 3, i have no need to have friends lol

Call of Duty was killer on the PS3 on and offline. So it should be even better on 360 live GL

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Come ON! Start posting something else than far reached badly research articles.. we want Aars back!

Here is a lesson from some guys who knows their shit:

A 12x CAV drive like the one in the 360 will be 12x speed for around 15% of the outer disc, that figure is peak performance. The closer to the inner ring it gets the slower accesses get (5x speed on the inner ring) - probable average: around 8x speed. Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. This is why Sony is comfortable with its choice and knows it will hold its own against MS's choice in the DVD format.

Says your "some guys" Sounds more like an opinion than fact to me..

[BLACKBIRD8200]

Says your "some guys" Sounds more like an opinion than fact to me..

Its posted right in your artical son. And what do you think the artical you linked is? Its someones opinion on blu ray as a gaming disc smarty. Well I think its just to hard for some to understand change. I hope you have a good time with both your 360's its a good thing you got 2 because 1 WILL burn up. I'm going to go play my PS3 or maybe watch a blu ray movie or maybe get on the internet and serf the web or link my PSP to my PS3 and control my PS3 from work. Or invite 7 buddies over for a crazy get of Madden.
All in true HD and true surround sound. While you sit there and try to think of ways that the 360 is the best but yet the best you got is more games and better online play. keep a look out for the rings of death they will appear on 1 of your 360's if not both . good day SIR

[86 IROC-Z]

The Internets: Making pointless arguments seem like they matter since 1994.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Its posted right in your artical son. And what do you think the artical you linked is? Its someones opinion on blu ray as a gaming disc smarty. Well I think its just to hard for some to understand change. I hope you have a good time with both your 360's its a good thing you got 2 because 1 WILL burn up. I'm going to go play my PS3 or maybe watch a blu ray movie or maybe get on the internet and serf the web or link my PSP to my PS3 and control my PS3 from work. Or invite 7 buddies over for a crazy get of Madden.
All in true HD and true surround sound. While you sit there and try to think of ways that the 360 is the best but yet the best you got is more games and better online play. keep a look out for the rings of death they will appear on 1 of your 360's if not both . good day SIR

Apparently you don't understand the concept of past tense....so when I say "owned two 360's" that means in the past. So yea...I sold the first one for after a year and a half for $400 to help pay for the computer i'm on right now. Then after 8 or so months I missed it so I bought another one...got it? Grrrreat

If you even have 7 friends you will need them to come over because of PS3's shitty online play...then you guys can have a circle jerk after.

Damn..you got me there with your cool web browser. I wonder how hard it would be for Microsoft to add a web browser to the 360...I mean it's not like they're not a expert in that area or anything. They haven't because it's and about as pointless as linking the PSP to the PS3.

Yea you're right...all I do have is the 360 has more and better games along with awesome online play for those games. But really, who wants awesome games with equal online play on a game console?? Damn it..I should've bought a $500 blu-ray player.

I'm going to go rent 1 of 400 movies on live...then maybe download a Xbox original game...hell I may even play Mass Effect. Good day Maam...

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

The Internets: Making pointless arguments seem like they matter since 1994.

Yes I know it's like the Special Olympics

I'm actually going to buy a PS3 when the price drops more and when they get some good games that don't need a online. I've owned (in bold for you blackbird) a PS2 and a PSP so i'm not brand bias...the 360 has more of what I like.

[ATCharming]

anyways... i just got assasins creed and call of duty 4 and wow...

xbox live gamertag: AP da 360 Noob
anyone wanna play some halo3 or COD4?

[86 IROC-Z]

anyways... i just got assasins creed and call of duty 4 and wow...

What server?

[ATCharming]

What server?

all questions can be answered on the World of warcraft fan-site, which is wowomg.com maybe its wow-omg.com i dont remember.

[86 IROC-Z]

all questions can be answered on the World of warcraft fan-site, which is wowomg.com maybe its wow-omg.com i dont remember.

Thanks, I think I'll stick to wow.com though...

[ATCharming]

Thanks, I think I'll stick to wow.com though...

[L3THAL_Z28]

360 owned 2007 with its awesome library of games...but sadly it has nothing to show in 2008 as it has already used its big name franchises...PS3 has a big year ahead in 08 with MOST of its big name franchises expected to make they're debut on it...I actually got a 360 for xmas (owned a PS3 since launch day) and I love Gears, Bioshock (Halo was OK i guess, kinda disappointed) but we can't deny the obvious...PS3 is just a better machine whether we all like it or not...objectively its just a better piece of hardware.

I say this for the following reasons...HD out of the box (Blu-ray drive), HDD in every unit, wi-fi, hdmi (360 now has it 2 but it sux for early adopters), bluetooth (controllers last for ages actually), and free online play (never had lag or disconnect issues with it but could be better, which has happened since launch), an ever evolving online store (yes you can download full PS1 games but no PS2 downloads, but still far behind Live), The fact that it lets you play games on your PSP (Lair can be played on it if left in the bluray drive...games sucks tho but feature is quite promising), DVR feature announced for Europe (we should also see it in the US)

360 is a great piece of hardware as well but i hate the fact that if you want wireless access you have to pay an extra 100...you want HD movies you gotta cough up somewhere around 200 (for a format we know isnt going to win)...core units dont come with an HDD (which helps PS3 reduce loading times drastically), those damn controllers dont come with a rechargeable battery pack (which is pretty lame if ur paying 50 bucks), and last but not least the red rings of death, Live kicks ass, and as mentioned before its library (other than ninja gaiden theres nothing much to look forward to as of now tho)

PS3 sales have picked up tremendously lately (since launch of 40 gig.. 275% jump in sales..or somewhere in that range) I think next year will show which machine is truly next gen and although 360 is fkn awesome PS3 should overtake it with titles like GT5, FFXIII, FFX Versus, MGS4 and God of War just to name a few and all the crazy features sony throws out (although some are really fkn retarded)...people have different taste in gaming and are console loyal...i personally think the PS3 is the better machine but I would like to see both PS3 and 360 do well since that translates into more awesome games for me to play.

As for SeverDistortion...i think you have some of your facts wrong i.e. bluetooth controllers and unplayable online games and how you claim ps3 has NO good titles...i sense a little fanboyism...some people hate on things they cant afford...keep hearing how "its too expensive" but yet they spend money buying accesories for the 360 that come standard on a ps3 and in the end pay more or the same amount the ps3 costs. Isnt competition between these two powerhouses good for us? after all we benefit from these two companies trying to out do each other...PS3 just offers a nicer, sleeker package...an all in one if you will...but dats just my bias opinion....to each his own...merry xmas!

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

As for SeverDistortion...i think you have some of your facts wrong i.e. bluetooth controllers and unplayable online games and how you claim ps3 has NO good titles...i sense a little fanboyism...some people hate on things they cant afford...keep hearing how "its too expensive" but yet they spend money buying accesories for the 360 that come standard on a ps3 and in the end pay more or the same amount the ps3 costs. Isnt competition between these two powerhouses good for us? after all we benefit from these two companies trying to out do each other...PS3 just offers a nicer, sleeker package...an all in one if you will...but dats just my bias opinion....to each his own...merry xmas!

Bluetooth does chew through batteries faster...that's pretty well known so there's not much to debate there. Not to mention when the battery goes through it's lifespan and finally dies it can't be replaced.

All the games that are good on the PS3 are cross platform...but with longer load times. MGS and God of War are the only exclusives i'm looking forward to playing. Here's a side by side trailer of DMC4...I think the 360's textures look sharper but i'm a "fanboy" so i'm probably seeing things. Either way it's very close..
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29150.html

You're right about the PS3 being built better..it's definitely heavier and feels more solid. That doesn't do me any good though if it just sits there and looks pretty. The 360 has a even cheaper feel then the launch consoles did...seems to have more plastic.

I wouldn't call favoring one system over the other as fanboyism unless they're completely close minded to every platform. I also play a lot of games on my PC that i'm on right now, have owned a PS2, PSP, Dreamcast, Xbox and several Nintendos(Gameboy, Gameboy advanced, , NES, Super NES, N64). I'll get a PS3 when it's more then a movie player...as will a lot of people.

I can afford a PS3 just fine thanks...but here's a check list for you since you brought it up. Never married single guy--Check, no kids--Check, decent paying job--Check, have a g/f that pulls her own weight--Check. So yea, i'm doing pretty good but thanks for asking..

As far as looking forward to 360 games in 08, there's tons of exclusives not even mentioning the cross platform ones. I'm not going to waste my time and list them all..here's a link. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums...ic_id=26100420

[ice97ta]

as before i love both systems and have both, but if you really think that the online capablilities are the same you are sadly mistaken, as said before you get what you pay for and it shows.

[Mr. CarelessAndImprudent]

Damn, this reminds me of the my dad can beat up your dad arguments in kindergarten