Kenne Bell Cobra vs My evo

**ls1blackbeauty98** · 10-22-2007, 02:00 PM

cobras alone are sick, add kenne bell ure asking for a beating

good race tho, it took balls to race him

**4tun8** · 10-22-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Wesman

In the first race you could see the delay after each shift that you made, whereas the Mustang just kept pulling steadily. There is always a delay with a turbo 4 banger, like it or not, thats the reality of it.

Ever stop to think maybe the delay is because he was the one honking?

**Musclefan21** · 10-22-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by 4tun8

Ever stop to think maybe the delay is because he was the one honking?

man, not trying to bash you but when a cobra hits at ther right gear, it will pull so hard. there is a video of 460rwhp cobra vs 900rwhp supra video, everytime they punch, cobra punts an instant 1 car or 1,5 car on that supra and holds it for a couple seconds and then supra fly bys.

my car puts down 450rwtq right at 2500rpm. and 478rwtq at 3500rpm. so when i do 45mph roll run in second gear, i am right around 3500rwhp which means when i hit it, it puts down 478rwtq that is crazy power right there and we both know, you don't put your all power down when you hit the gas.

simply, turbo has the top end and cobras have the low end power. however, a 3000lbs 380fwhp srt-4 couldn't pull on me up top and i was keeping pulling away from him. cobras have great top end also. i have raced many people and i beat most of them on 3rd and 4th gear. I have been saying cobras have great top end.

**blue02Z** · 10-22-2007, 06:23 PM

that was a bad a cobra. nice run tho, those termies are sick, your evo is nice too, maybe next time

**4tun8** · 10-22-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by doodad

man, not trying to bash you but when a cobra hits at ther right gear, it will pull so hard. there is a video of 460rwhp cobra vs 900rwhp supra video, everytime they punch, cobra punts an instant 1 car or 1,5 car on that supra and holds it for a couple seconds and then supra fly bys.

my car puts down 450rwtq right at 2500rpm. and 478rwtq at 3500rpm. so when i do 45mph roll run in second gear, i am right around 3500rwhp which means when i hit it, it puts down 478rwtq that is crazy power right there and we both know, you don't put your all power down when you hit the gas.

simply, turbo has the top end and cobras have the low end power. however, a 3000lbs 380fwhp srt-4 couldn't pull on me up top and i was keeping pulling away from him. cobras have great top end also. i have raced many people and i beat most of them on 3rd and 4th gear. I have been saying cobras have great top end.

Agreed, but when I'm starting at like 4500-5000rpm I am IN my powerband lol.

**JHayesLS1** · 10-25-2007, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by 4tun8

Agreed, but when I'm starting at like 4500-5000rpm I am IN my powerband lol.

Yeah I was gonna say it wasn't like it was a 10 mph roll lol. It wouldn't of mattered if you were the fastest shifter in the world in this race.

**EE1983** · 10-25-2007, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by doodad

probably but instant torque makes a big difference!!

Yes it definitely helps. That is a big reason when I upgraded my turbo I got only slightly bigger than stock so I still had a huge torque spike. When you go big.. you lose that completely and you have to rely on top end.

Regardless, you arent making up 200+whp with that loss haha

When I used to race Cobras Id always make sure I was right at 4000rpm so Id have the most minimal lag possible because they took off like bats out of hell right from the start. I wish I had a vid of the last Cobra I raced before I sold my car it was badass.

**Wesman** · 10-25-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by EE1983

Yes it definitely helps. That is a big reason when I upgraded my turbo I got only slightly bigger than stock so I still had a huge torque spike. When you go big.. you lose that completely and you have to rely on top end.

Regardless, you arent making up 200+whp with that loss haha

When I used to race Cobras Id always make sure I was right at 4000rpm so Id have the most minimal lag possible because they took off like bats out of hell right from the start. I wish I had a vid of the last Cobra I raced before I sold my car it was badass.

Regardless though, no 4 banger with a big turbo is ever going to come close to matching the throttle response and instantaneous torque of a natually aspirated or Supercharged V8.

**EE1983** · 10-26-2007, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Regardless though, no 4 banger with a big turbo is ever going to come close to matching the throttle response and instantaneous torque of a natually aspirated or Supercharged V8.

That is somewhat accurate. But, nitrous can help there

**4tun8** · 10-26-2007, 12:34 PM

Regardless though, no 4 banger with a big turbo is ever going to come close to matching the throttle response and instantaneous torque of a natually aspirated or Supercharged V8.

Ok, but that's not what you were saying before.

**JHayesLS1** · 10-26-2007, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by 4tun8

Regardless though, no 4 banger with a big turbo is ever going to come close to matching the throttle response and instantaneous torque of a natually aspirated or Supercharged V8.

Ok, but that's not what you were saying before.

YES

The war is about to begin!!

**4tun8** · 10-26-2007, 03:31 PM

hahah =) Wes should know better then to argue with me.

**mrr23** · 10-26-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by JHayesLS1

YES

The war is about to begin!!

i doubt it.

**Wesman** · 10-26-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by 4tun8

Regardless though, no 4 banger with a big turbo is ever going to come close to matching the throttle response and instantaneous torque of a natually aspirated or Supercharged V8.

Ok, but that's not what you were saying before.

Umm...same idea.

I said: "Good point. No waiting for the turbo to spool or for the motor to get into the powerband. It just goes like hell as soon as you mash the throttle."

Then I said: "Regardless though, no 4 banger with a big turbo is ever going to come close to matching the throttle response and instantaneous torque of a natually aspirated or Supercharged V8."

Either way, you when you hit the throttle you have to wait for the turbo, whether that be the start of the race or every time you shift. Turbos don't magically hold boost between shifts, and you don't get instantaneos boost when you open the throttle from a roll, either. Its called laaag, not that hard to understand.

**4tun8** · 10-26-2007, 04:02 PM

Oh yea!?!?!?!

Meet my newest mod, and one of my newest vids....The Tephra NLTS system. And it's a free ECU Mod =p

dot slash pwned

**mrr23** · 10-26-2007, 04:07 PM

neat. i didn't see much lag between shifts without it. with it, i saw no less than 10 psi through the shifts.

**4tun8** · 10-28-2007, 02:39 AM

Yeah, that was my first day with it. I can use it much better now, generally I can keep it above 20psi now. Hence why I kept pulling my distance back when racing that yellow cobra, everytime he would shift I would gain my distance back because I don't have any shift lag.

**Wesman** · 10-28-2007, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by 4tun8

Oh yea!?!?!?!

Meet my newest mod, and one of my newest vids....The Tephra NLTS system. And it's a free ECU Mod =p

dot slash pwned

What the hell are you doing...just powershifting through the gears with the throttle to the floor?? Sounds like your hitting the rev limiter.

I can see your "tephra NLTS" post being followed up by "help guys I blew my transmission up"

**4tun8** · 10-28-2007, 09:21 AM

No, its not powershifting. When I depress the clutch at WOT the top switch engages and makes a rev limiter at 100rpms lower then where I pushed the clutch.

This keeps the throttle plate open so I don't lose boost and don't have shift lag.

Onward to your next excuse Wesman.

**Wesman** · 10-28-2007, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by 4tun8

No, its not powershifting. When I depress the clutch at WOT the top switch engages and makes a rev limiter at 100rpms lower then where I pushed the clutch.

This keeps the throttle plate open so I don't lose boost and don't have shift lag.

Onward to your next excuse Wesman.

So all that crap just because of the inherently poor design of coupling a large turbo to a small 4 cylinder. Interesting. I think I'll stick with my V8.