I 'm deciding on one of these: Hooker long tubes or Kooks long tubes? Which ones should I get?
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I 'm deciding on one of these: Hooker long tubes or Kooks long tubes? Which ones should I get?
Kooks FTMFW!
If you have the money get kooks.
Your ? is too general without telling us enough info on your car as in mods and what you are trying to accomplish.
Welcome to the site though.
I wouldn't think it matters. Kooks are better in every way (except price of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2Tuner
hooker. with the money left over, do another mod.
+1 even, even go with the pace setter LT ceramicQuote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
you cant get the Hookers in a "race" version (with out AIR and EGR tubes) but you can in the Kooks.
I have Kooks 1 7/8 race headers and I love them
american racing headers FTW.....has a slightly better merge collector than kooks. People that used to work for kooks branched off and started American racing headers. From what i hear, kooks customer service is horrible.
exactly ,amh headers are far superior for the money. kooks are great but amh is better in fitment and the oryQuote:
Originally Posted by basballny2
Kooks are the best you can buy. Hooker makes stainless versions I believe too which should be fine.
please explain more? ARH is people that branched off of kooks, kept the same concept just came out with a better merge collector and ORY. OO and not to mention better fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by INMY01TA
Says who? I know several people with 9 second cars that disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by basballny2
That must be it, there are no 9 second cars with ARH or Hooker or anything else. Hes right, if you want a 9 second car, Kooks is the ONLY option. Why didnt i think of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by INMY01TA
Ur still not backing your statement up with any facts.
Nor are you. :jerkit: I gave my opinion, you don't have to get all butthurt about it cause I don't agree with you. Either header will give same hp and prolly last forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by basballny2
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Originally Posted by INMY01TA
ARH is a group of guys that branched off of kooks. FACTQuote:
Originally Posted by INMY01TA
ARH came out with a new design merge collector. FACT
ARH came out with a new design ORY. FACT
ARH has a better fitment. FACT
ARH has better customer service than kooks. FACT
So please explain why kooks is better than ARH, or is it because some of your friends have 9 second cars with kooks. :denied:
Top 3 may be fact but what does that mean? Big deal. I'm not aware that Kooks has ever had any fitment issues, nor that ARH fits "better". Not a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by basballny2
As for 5, never heard of any issues with Kooks or their customer service. (not a fact)
+1 for the kooks, If you have the money go for the best. I saved till I could afford the kooks setup and couldnt be happier!!!!
Well I have Never had any issue with Kooks customer service. I have dealt with them for over 10 years. Not sure what you have heard. . . . . . .
What they told some idiot the wrong tube size to run after he exaggerated his motor. . . . . . . ?
Just curious as to what "customer service is horrible" means or some real world experience. Because in the 10 years I have dealt with them I have only had 2 headers I have ever sent back and that was due to pussy's behind the wheel after a big wheel stand and they got scared and lifted and the cars came down crushing the headers. And both of those times I had good service and quick turn around.:dunno:
I talked to both the guys from kooks and ARH, kooks customer service acts as if they dont need your service as if their superior. ARH is willing to go over everything with you as if your a human being. FACT
Well all I can say to that is some have time to waste talking on the phone forever to get a sale others are busy as could be and get tired of talking to tire kickers all day.
I already know what I want to order so I have never needed there help in that dept. so couldn't tell you.
Alot of shops don't waste the money to have a person that can BS on the phone all day. Can you imagine the number of stupid phone calls Kooks gets a day. . . . . . . . :thinking
So to base your statement off of your 1 experience doesn't make it a fact!!
Wow I never realized. I guess unless LS2uner quits using Kooks and all of us sell are headers and get ARHs we're all just stupid. :blah: Use whatever you want, we don't care. Let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by basballny2
i dont care what you use, i never said kooks were bad headers, i would just like to see something to support your statement that kooks are "the best" headers out there. MOST headers are going to provide you with about the same exact HP numbers. SLP and kooks are going to turn out similar if not the same HP numbers. Then it comes down to fitment, clearance, etc.
KOOKs are great headers but in reality they are almost exactly the same to ARH, one just costs a little more than the other, and one has a different merge collector other than that......Quote:
Originally Posted by basballny2
Still I dont have enough faith even in the design or reputation of SLP to believe that they make a header as well as KOOKs or ARH or even Hooker.
not saying the design is the best but if your ONLY looking at HP numbers they will all produce around the same
i dont wanna be the first guy to start throwing out big names in defense of my opinion or what have you, but call matt murphy mr gmmg himself, ask him what he thinks about kooks. banging the floor board, having to cut the k member on someones 100k super camaro. heating the bends to make them fit without rubbing, and then ask him how they treated him. a big customer treated like shit by a bunch of big name up state new york assholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by INMY01TA
i agree, do what makes you happyQuote:
Originally Posted by Justin93
agreed, basing opinions on 1 single experience is dumb. although every customer couldnt possibly be pleased, we can only hope kooks did their best to help each and every customer.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2Tuner
agreed,Quote:
Originally Posted by basballny2
this is also true. but also a solid salesman who is honest and personal able is an asset to any company be it small time or legendary company's like edelbrock. if they act to busy or important to take a minute to talk to you about your setup then in my eyes dont deserve your business.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2Tuner
honestly, slp doesn't need to waste time or money to try and compete with those two company's obviously they are just waiting for the guy with more money than sense. boasting exaggerated and corrected dyno charts to sell a product that everyone is so skeptical on since their last set of equal length headers,. like every other ls1 part that went trend crazy, slp had their day with guys seeking more than lids and catbacks. obviously all research and development for late model f body performance has been pushed aside, all us late model f body guys need from them are meaningless accessories and shirts and jackets. a true staple to any late model enthusiasts, but they are definitely not on the list of places to pick up power.Quote:
Originally Posted by xzaero0
Jesus-tap dancing-christ....
Why is this debate still going on. Kooks and ARH will give you the SAME power. ARH goes in easier and has a better flowing y-pipe. The difference you will NOT feel or noticed unless you have big cubes or big power...even then it's only 5-10rwp on an 800hp application.
Kook's ONLY.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2001ws6ta