Talon Wants to Race...

Hey I just got my camaro about a month ago. For performance mods I have free ram air w/ K&n filter, tb bypass and slp catback stage 1. Everything else stock.

Do i have a shot against a awd 2.2 l (i think) racing motor. 5g into the turbo, intercooler, cammed, exhaust, entire engine rebuilt hes got 15 g into the motor. He disconected everything.. ac power steering ect. Ive heard from alot of kids in town that car hasnt lost. I havent seen the engine for myself. But Have you guys heard these cars being THAT fast??

-Joe

I think he'd kill you... hard. :yup: Just hope he breaks.

WATCH OUT.... those DSM AWD... with lots o money in the motor... are pretty damn fast... it sounds like a tad bit faster than an evo... THIS is a drivers race

If he really has that much into the car and he's putting down good power you have no chance. I've seen those cars run 10s. You would think with that kind of money invested he has at least an 11 second car and you are about 2.5 seconds off that pace.

I got killed at the track racing one that didnt have even half that much $$$ into it. Unless he kills it off the line your done for.

yes they can be that fast, they will still sound like shit, but that car will rape you, even if you had a heads, cam , and intake package, he'd probably still walk you or be pretty close,

dont waste your gas, he'll embarass you

but remember if you put the same amount of money into your car, you'd piss all over him :)
thats the way i always look at it

true true... a nice 150 shot heads cam and a stroker! there you go! and a rearend and slicks... and just rape him! just take a loan out

They can be quick,,,I ran one last year in my chevelle. The kid boasted about his little talon being an 11 second car,,,I didn't discount the claim because I have seen them at the track. But when we ran, my chevelle running 11.40's at the time,,,,I put about 3 or so cars on him,,,that thing was hangin pretty tough.
I knew he wasn't kidding around about his claim. I rarely come accross a street car like that, It was an eye opener. Beware.
If I happened to be in the 02 camaro that night, it wouldn't even have been a race for him. I wouldn't have stood a chance.

If he truly has $15K in the motor with the supporting suspension and drivetrain mods, it shouldn't even be a close race. That being said, there are plenty of people out there that love to exaggerate things a bit. If $15K turned out to only be $2.5K and he has a few bolt ons to go with his stock turbo, you should be able to take him if you can drive.

FYI....from a dig those cars are very tough thanks to the AWD.

just look at the car a little closer, lots of liars in the car world

if its true.. you will see tail lights get small.... really quick.. lol... id still race him though.... go from a dig, 25.. and then from 50...

Even 2.5k into a Talon can turn into a mid 12 second car......beware.

When i was younger I wanted to get the best DSM car the VR4 3000GT i came close but I researched part, services and mods for it, and found out they lead to a big sum,

I dont think youlll be able to hang with him. just save your gas. let him talk, when i see a car thats faster than mine, ill tell them to race me hauling 40tons, the stare is priceless lol.

I know what Talon's can do...
I think if he's telling you straight, he'd murder you.

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Originally Posted by 4tun8

Even 2.5k into a Talon can turn into a mid 12 second car......beware.

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Guy I kinda know has one that runs mid 11's!!! So he says, but he's got whatever talon forged stroker motor, bigger turbo, intercooler, built drivetrain, yada yada. He is a hardcore muscle car guy, had the car as a dd, blew up the motor and just built the shit outta the car for a project. I think he said he spent around 15k for all of it though...I think you're gonna get raped man, but never hurts to try.

alrightyy then

If he put all that money in the motor and NONE in the tranny!! He's screwed. My buddy has busted 6 of the stock transmissions. There junk. But a built tranny makes a huge difference!! Im like everyone else if he has what he says, You stand no chance. But People like to talk also!! Get a ride in it. Let your butt be the judge!!

Transmissions are junk when you don't know how to drive that car.....I've busted a trans myself and learned from my mistakes. If you let those cars wheel hop, they wont forgive you.

Ok, but when all said and done, win or not. You still drive home in a Camaro and he drives home in a Talon.LOL So who really is the winner!

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Originally Posted by rideon1200

Ok, but when all said and done, win or not. You still drive home in a Camaro and he drives home in a Talon.LOL So who really is the winner!

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That's such an invalid point. I like the Talon body and the Camaro body both, and wouldn't be able to decide which body I would like better.

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Originally Posted by rideon1200

Ok, but when all said and done, win or not. You still drive home in a Camaro and he drives home in a Talon.LOL So who really is the winner!

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The talons were a good performace car for thier time. Mine still runs great.

If the guy has that much stuff done it's over for you. If he is a liar you know pretty fast, so just run him.

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Originally Posted by 2000SuperSportMaro

WATCH OUT.... those DSM AWD... with lots o money in the motor... are pretty damn fast... it sounds like a tad bit faster than an evo... THIS is a drivers race

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what is DSM?

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Originally Posted by 01ws6er

Guy I kinda know has one that runs mid 11's!!! So he says, but he's got whatever talon forged stroker motor, bigger turbo, intercooler, built drivetrain, yada yada. He is a hardcore muscle car guy, had the car as a dd, blew up the motor and just built the shit outta the car for a project. I think he said he spent around 15k for all of it though...I think you're gonna get raped man, but never hurts to try.

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thats basically the same setup he was talking about

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Originally Posted by Boomer Sooner

what is DSM?

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DSM stands for diamond star motors which was a joint venture between Dodge and Mitsubishi. The best of those cars was basically anything that came with a 4g63 motor, which is the same motor that's used in the Evo (up until the evo X).

Some of the cars that were DSM's and 4g63 powered.

Plymouth Laser
Eagle Talon
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Mitsubishi Galant VR-4


Some of these vehicles came with an AWD option, I think the only one that did not was the Laser.

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Originally Posted by J1211C

thats basically the same setup he was talking about

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15k in one of those cars if you're doing the labor yourself could be a 800+ HP car. A good pal of mine has a 147mph trapping beast that he probably only has about that much in the whole car, and that's with the Dog Box transmission heh.

^ and half of that $15,000.00 would be 800+HP, in a SBC. We running each other this year 4tun8...? :D

http://thumbs.vidiac.com/313aeba2-46...08012f1386.jpgClick here to see Video

ok so his mods he was talking about.. evo turbo, ported and polished heads,disconect all ac/power steering ect. exhaust (obviously) intercooler, forged, injectors.. whole driveline redone.. i forget what else was done to it. I think me may be exaggerating on the price though

A buddy of mine knows a guy that has a 10 second Talon. If you know how to mod and tune them then you can get them to fly. The lowest number ive seen with one of them is 7 seconds so far. ...still wouldn't buy one though, haha. I'm more then sure with them mods he uses it for a track car, or atleast has taken it to the track. Go ask him what times he puts out.

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Originally Posted by 4tun8

DSM stands for diamond star motors which was a joint venture between Dodge and Mitsubishi. The best of those cars was basically anything that came with a 4g63 motor, which is the same motor that's used in the Evo (up until the evo X).

Some of the cars that were DSM's and 4g63 powered.

Plymouth Laser
Eagle Talon
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Mitsubishi Galant VR-4


Some of these vehicles came with an AWD option, I think the only one that did not was the Laser.

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ah ok. thanks for the response.

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Originally Posted by Street Lethal

^ and half of that $15,000.00 would be 800+HP, in a SBC. We running each other this year 4tun8...? :D

Click here to see Video

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Dude I so wish we were running each other this year but........


http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/12521300026.jpg

^ WHAT HAPPENED BRO....??????

... please tell me your modding that thing, and that nothing terminal happened! :yup:

Yeah nothing terminal at all, motor looked great on the inside. I'm building a 10 second car haha.

^ Welcome to the club (athough I'm hoping for single digits this season)! Did you install the rollbar yet? :flex:

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Originally Posted by 4tun8

Yeah nothing terminal at all, motor looked great on the inside. I'm building a 10 second car haha.

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This sounds interesting!! :Pics:

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Originally Posted by Street Lethal

^ Welcome to the club (athough I'm hoping for single digits this season)! Did you install the rollbar yet? :flex:

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No LOL.

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Originally Posted by 4tun8

No LOL.

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Not fun, especially with a nice car! You'll cry at first, but then you'll get used to the bars. After awhile you forget they're even there, until you bang your freaking head the first time (ouch), then the second time, then the third time, at this point you pretty much start calling your wife "Wesman" LOL.... ;)

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Originally Posted by OnEbAdReDSS

WATCH OUT.... those DSM AWD... with lots o money in the motor... are pretty damn fast... it sounds like a tad bit faster than an evo... THIS is a drivers race

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negative, this is not a drivers race it the Talon will take the Camaro for a walk especially with those mods and that much money invested into the car.

i have an idea scrap the talon cause its worth pennies

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Originally Posted by SAGGIN

negative, this is not a drivers race it the Talon will take the Camaro for a walk especially with those mods and that much money invested into the car.

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Not with an Evo III big 16g turbo in it as was previously described. On race gas you're looking at like 117-119mph trap speeds TOPS.