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the guy thats doing my cam/header swap just called to tell me i can pickup my ws6 tomarrow. he said he was tuning it right then on the dyno, he said the best he had got so far was 373hp and 380tq. he said after he finishes tuning it he'd be willing to bet it will lay down another 10 hp. i couldnt believe it, i was thinking more 350-360ish being everyone was telling me a cam/header swap was pointless unless you do full bolt ons first. man i cant wait to go get it tommarow.:faint:
I think once you get some exhaust and a lid as well you will see those number grow quite a bit more. Sounds like your car is running well but suffocating a bit.
what are the specs of the cam...? what other mods...? 380tq, im very curious as to what else is done...
make sure to get a dyno sheet as well...
thats what mine did after headers and cam well it was 386 i believe with like 360 tq......but yea get a lid do you have an intake? anyways good luck make sure to keep us informed
Maybe this is a dumb question but why would you do a cam and headers before anything else?? :think:
well there's no 'exact' list to follow when one decides to start modding their car. where they chose to start and how they care to go about it, is up to them...
hell i started with just a SLP lid, and SLP LM. then a 224 cam. next came headers, then heads/Ls6 intake. i ditched the Ls6 for a ported 90/90 (which really woke the car up), and then swapped from SLP LM to TSP TD's. in between i did some suspension mods...
i cant speak from the OP or anyone else, but i sit, wait, and research my stuff before i make a purchase. i bought the cam package all new for $600 from a member off this site and then the heads $900 new from someone else off this site nine months apart. sometimes it just boils down to when you find what you want at a price you're willing to pay...
if i get back in time before i go to work tomarrow i will try to post the dyno sheet. the cam is a 228/230 the lift i'm not to positive about i think but dont quote me he said 580/590 on a 114 lsa. as far as torque being that high i questioned the same thing because usually our cars produce more hp than tq with mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
also like i stated no bolt ons, this is a cam/header swap high flow cat straight through (no muffler) and a k&n air filter. i cant wait to put the bolt ons on later down the road.
Where are you getting your car tuned at? I live pretty close to Virginia
are you running LT headers? I didnt think they would fit with the stock Y pipe. Awesome numbers though, I would think you could definitely benefit from an LS6 intake, lid and exhaust. But once again very impressive numbers for the few mods you have done. that guy must be one hell of a tuner.
his name is ed from automotive technologies in chesapeake. there is a guy on here and ls1tech that goes by frost that is a tuner, i spoke with him and he put me onto ed over at automotive tech. he said ed was the guy to go to being there arent any shops in richmond that do this type work on ls1's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeler99WS6
oh no its an aftermarket y.
and lt's
I'm hoping you did springs and pushrods too right? Wait until you put a good intake on it, lid, and p/p tb. I'm curious to see what the jump is. I'm betting you see a pretty significant bump in HP with just those 3 mods added.
Ed tuned my car and it runs great. I had a converter go out on me and it was doing the wave all the way up the power curve. I put down 390rwhp
yes i got him to put in the patriot dual valve spring kit, and hardened pushrods. i hear some people say just that air lid can help alot. 10-15 hp but i never believed an air lid would do that much for you. whats your take on it orion?Quote:
Originally Posted by 0rion
yeah ed's been real great to deal with. i pestered him alot being new to all this, but he helped me out alot.Quote:
Originally Posted by 98Camarod
the air lid really does help. you can actually 'hear' it sucking in the air. i have an SLP lid it was the very 1st mod that i did. best beginner mod there is. i went through my pics and this is the best engine bay pic i have showing the lid...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...S/DSC00025.jpg
I think you'll see nice gains now with all those intake mods. Just hunt around for a used one. I see them for sale pretty cheap all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2-bowties&abird
Brians car made a best of 385 hp and 389 tq. It was a litttle lean on that run, so we fattened it up a bit, and final numbers were 381/388.
He'll post a graph later I'm sure.
And BTW, this was a pretty mild cam too. Idles nicely at 750 rpm.
Man I wish I had a real good shop to do some work for me that was close. Too bad Im not from your area.Quote:
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
you need to get a new air induction system and headers to benefit the upgrade of your heads and camshaft.....:drivin:
No heads. Its cam and headers......And yes he needs an intake and a lid. An ls6 intake would really wake it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99Ls1fever
true true reading never was one of my top quality's lol....:snowboard::snowboard:
LOL no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99Ls1fever
well then, your right he needs to get more air to his engine...
heres the graph, thanks for everything ed.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...ebird/dyno.jpg
Hey ed, what did you end up setting his Air to fuel ratio at during WOT in the graph it said 13.22 but I recall you said that was too lean, did you end up setting it at the norm of 12.8? Alot of people tell me that is the "lean max torque" number to set it at. I am no tuning guru just very curious.
I have all the boltons, cam, and headers =364 RWHP. What cam are you running? Did you put in valve springs and pushrods?
looking at your dyno sheet it says uncorrected...what are your numbers SAE corrected...? or am i reading something wrong here...?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2-bowties&abirdheres the graph, thanks for everything ed.
i dont know much about that. ed would have to get with you on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
also wondering what cam you have?
comp cams 228/230 581/591 112lsa. yes patriot gold dual spring kit and hardened pushrods. this is an m6, maybe thats why.Quote:
Originally Posted by lonewolf37
cool. im not sitting here doubting your claims (as i see you dyno sheet), so please dont get that impression. i know since you're running a larger cam than me that your numbers are expected to be higher as well. it that sometimes there is a difference between corrected numbers and uncorrected numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by 2-bowties&abird
i remember once i got LT's on my car i was sitting at 376/366 (cam only)...
btw, what tuning program did he use. i dont recall seeing it above, but then again i could have missed it...
WOW guys. Do I feel like an ASS. I ALWAYS keep it set on SAE, and have no idea how it got switched. Dont know if someone was monkeying with it or what.
I absolutely didnt intend to mislead anyone, and didnt even notice it until someone brought it up.
I'll send another graph to Brian, and if he wants to post it he can. BTW, HPTuners was used.
Again sorry to mislead anyone. All I can do is suck it up and apologize.
A/F was right at 12.8 on the last 2 pulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeler99WS6
no i did'nt get that impression at all, the more technical stuff like tuning and dyno numbers i pretty much dont know a whole lot about. i was thinking i would probably be putting down 350-360ish with no bolt ons. but hey the more the better i guess. this is just a weekend driver anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
no worries man. shit happens. you are taking the steps and the means to correct it. most dont, and since you are that only continues to count for your creditiblity and reputation that you have...:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
it was confusing at first, because when you first said Brian, I was like :wtf:, my name is Brian...:lol:
HPTune has yet to lead me in the wrong direction, however i'm needing a reutne after installing my TD's. look at my dyno sheet from a dyno day back in Dec (yes the year is wrong). my old number (with SLP LM cat-back) were 444/395. swapping to TSP TD's, i went to 437/404 but the A/F is F'd up, noting the 1st pull...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...yno_121407.jpg
slap up some pics of the car man!Quote:
Originally Posted by 2-bowties&abird
i probably will soon but i just got it so i really havent had time to do any pic taking plus its so damn cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
i hear you on the cold its freakin 32° here in Dallas feels like 22°...Quote:
Originally Posted by 2-bowties&abird
Not bad dyno's guys....
