anybody have any suggestions on purchasing intake manifold need some
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anybody have any suggestions on purchasing intake manifold need some
advice
Since you have a 98 I would suggest the ls6 manifold. If you plan on doing a heads/cam build up then you can just get the FAST manifold.
Yep LS6 great for the money.
Not to Thread jack.. but how can you confirm its a actual LS6 intake? What is the 8 digit casting number?Quote:
Originally Posted by INMY01TA
I would recommend a ls6 intake manifold.
Theres a few ways to determine the ls6 from the ls1.
On vehicle- Look between the valley plate and the bottom of the intake
ls1= wing shapped floor
ls6= Flat floor.
Off the the vehicle the easiest way is the ls6 intake has "square ribbing" on the bottom of the intake and the ls1 has "x" ribbing on the bottom of the intake. Also the ls6 doesnt have the whole egr deal.
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You can always look at the bottom of the intake. LS6 will be flat, while the LS1 wont. Check out this pic, the one on the right is an LS6 intake http://www.ls1howto.com/howto/geniii...//IMAGE009.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by SteelmanLS1
for an a4 and hway gears has to be ls6 for sure cammed or uncammed.
sereis 1 ls6 p/n 12561182-84?
sereis11 ls6 p/n 12573572
well i already have an ls6 and my car has heads and ms3 cam i didnt know if the fast
was worth the money compared to wieand or bbk
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Originally Posted by 346lsi
The fast out of the box is a far suprerior manifold compared to the wieand and bbk. The ls6 flow damn near as good as the wiend and bbk out of the box. Both the wieand and bbk can be ported to flow closer to the fast. If I had to put money towards and intake my money would be with the fast. Its not the best bang for the buck but once you get a h/c setup it becomes a little more worth it vs a mild bolt on car.
I agree but the only way I'd get a fast is the 90mm obvioulsy and it would be ported otherwise stay with the LS6 and don't waste your money. FI go with LS6 and N/A with ported heads and matched cam go with Fast 90/90. By the way, Bob at EPP even reccommends going with the LS6 wtih FI applications. That is whats gonna be feeding my 408/turbo, just my .02Quote:
Originally Posted by JonB
A fast 90 and 90mm TB would be best for a stout H/C car. If you ever plan on FI though I would stay away from the Fast. The LS6 is good for FI and decent for H/C setups just not quite as good as the fast. The fast 78mm is a waste of $$$$
Ls6 is good for a non H/C car...
FAST 90/90 ported is the way to go w a H/C car...
i personally same a 35rwhp/10rwtq gain from swapping from an Ls6 intake to my ported FAST 90/90...
is H/C head/cammed?
that is correct...
H/C/I/E:
heads/cam/intake/exhaust
basically bolt-ons as they are more commonly called...
Does the fast 90mm intake/TB require more tuning or does it just plug and play? I moved to a new area and don't know any reps of local tuning outfits...
yes the FAST 90/90 is plug and go, ,but to fully maximize the potiental of the intake with any other mods that you might have done as well, its is very wise to get the car tuned...
its like seeing a great pair of tits through the window but not being able to touch them, it's a tease for what you could have your hands on, so why tease the car by not tuning it...:D
It was more for not worrying about doing it now, maybe over the winter sometime.
fast is the way to go for you. instal it and worry about tuning later
ok, is FI Factory Induction? I'm looking at doing an intake first and doing a head/cam kit over the winter and have been reading up on these threads. I'd like to d true duals, but want to look into the emission laws first. I'll do it, I just want to get around getting caught :)
I bought a LS6 manifold from SLP. It had a slight appearance blemmish, and came with install hardware, for $485. I thought it was a good deal.
sorry to say, but you grossly over paid. you can find Ls6 intakes for around $300 all day long...
all that truly matters those is if you are happy w/it and it has helped you to reach the goal you have for your car...
I'm pretty sure there is a ls6 on ebay now with a BIN of $225.
How can you say I overpaid?Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
Where could I find a NEW manifold WITH hardware(coolant crossover pipe, and block-off plugs, gaskets, and EGR compatable)?
I might have been able to buy a used one, but I needed one that was EGR compatable.
ls6!
i stand corrected. i misread. i thought it was intake only and not EGR friendly...Quote:
Originally Posted by jigger1166
when i picked up my Ls6 (non EGR) it was for $300 new (came with gaskets but not the coolant lines)...
good buy...:cheers:
Thanks, sounds like you got a good buy also.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
Anybody have any personal experience with the typhoon inake?
:)
Same thread here: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575889
That is the kind of info i have been looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by INMY01TA
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if you are going cam and no heads then is the ls6 still a good choice?
So, any one have the BBK or Holley intakes??
ls6 is a good intake unless you are going big cam/ heads
What type of work needs to be done to swap intakes from an LS1 to an LS6?
I've read about grinding this and that, is this neceassry?
Shouldn't it just bolt up, just curious what else is involved ?
This is my question too. Is a FAST necessary with a cammed car on stock heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApexVIII
This might help give you an idea of what is involved. http://ls1howto.com/index.php?article=5Quote:
Originally Posted by cocheesews6
That is a good site that someone here turned me onto. As far as the cooling lines go, I guess it is just a difference in design between the ls1 and ls6 intakes.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamauxx
Nope. Still good for a head/cam car.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApexVIII
Refering to grinding, there talking about the ribs on the bottom of the intake manifold. You can either grind the ribs down to clear the coolant lines or you can buy a coolant crossover pipe kit. Either method will work. Here is a pic of the ribs ground down on the bottom of the intake.Quote:
Originally Posted by cocheesews6
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...9/DSC00009.jpg
Curious too... What would be a good cam to go with the LS6 intake? Going for 400RWHP
400 ain't hard to get with a LS6 intake. I made 380 with a LS1 intake, 3.73s and a stall. That probably translates into about 390-395rwhp.Quote:
Originally Posted by oreowizard
Try a torquer v2 or v3 cam.
Thanks, looking at headers, lid, intake and a shot, possibly adding patriot heads down the road to get me to 400RWHP
Do the LS6 Corvette intakes have provision for throttle cables since they are fly by wire? Could I make one fit my 2000 camaro?Quote:
Originally Posted by fbodynut
Does the ls6 manifold have a 4 bolt tb and the ls1 a 3 bolt tb?
No and welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by VXLS1HBD
not to thread jack here. but i have a 2000 ls1 stock right now. looking to go with some LT headers, ORY, full exhaust. cam and heads. i would like to see 400rwhp. not a drag car by any means, just something to run around in during summer months.
can i achieve this with my stock intake/TB. or should i go with an ls6 intake or FAST intake. what about my TB?
All bold items above will get you into the 400's with a good tune. Depending on the cam and heads you could be 450's. There are alot of other things that need to be addressed if going this high. Suspension #1, power is no good if you can't plant it to the road. Rear 2nd, our 10 bolt POS rear has been know to go out under stock power, over 400 it's not if, but when it will go.Quote:
Originally Posted by wvbrett
Best advice - get your car in good solid shape first then start building in the direction you want to go.
thanks! so my stock intake and TB will hold up with those bolded mods? and i've already researched about the suspension and rearend. i am planning to upgrade those as well during this engine upgrade. i agree 10000% about having all that power but not being able to put it to the pavement makes it useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMWS6TA
Intake is a different matterQuote:
Originally Posted by wvbrett
LS1 intake not as good as LS6 intake (I've read about a 25-30% air volume increase), BBK intake is equal or slightly better then LS6, Fast 90 is best for a LS1. FAST are for serious builders that are planning big cam and heads with weekly track use
for my application and from personal experience my FAST 90/90 combo (self ported), has been the best intake. this is even after swapping my Ls1 intake to an Ls6 intake, then finally my current FAST 90/90. it has yielded the best all around overall results for the money.
i believe the best intake for you is based off what the desired use and build goal of your car is. intakes can and should be application specific. i don't believe one specific intake is a bandaid coverage for everyone's build.
The bbk is 15 lbs heavier than the ls6 but makes about 5rwh more. Then there is that whole heat sink debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMWS6TA
what would be the part # for the fast intake on '02 t/a? summit dont have a part number
you can make up 5hp in other places for $200 less. I still rate a LS6 intake over the BBK just because of cost per HP. Only advantage I see in a BBK is that you can port it. Some ppl like to have name recognition on the their parts for show cars. BBK has some good products, just when it comes down to the cost per hp you make out with the LS6 intake.
FAST intakes are still the top of the list.
Brian is right -Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
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Originally Posted by Pontiaco
FAST is no longer selling the FAST 90/90 combo.
They are selling the 102 - goes for about $1000
ok, but would it fit my car?
Your stock throttle body is only 75mm. The FAST intake is 102mm.
I know I'm gonna have to change the t/b as well, but wanted to know if it would fit and maybe a part #
I'll be procharging my 01 Z26 m6 would the bigger the intake be better ?
I have a Procharger on my 02 SS and I kept the LS6 intake and with 8psi I hit 500rwhp. The most important thing is the exhaust so you want to upgrade from your stock manifold to headers, preferably 1-7/8". With a S/C, air is being forced in so a larger intake isn't a necessity. I'd invest in something else. Upgrade your push rods and valve springs.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiff
I already have pacesetter lts and y pipe and loud mouth 1 exhaust, MIT lid and k&n, granatelli MAF and a spec stage three clutch. Do you think I'm good to go w/ exhaust( and do you think the intake would be good for more than 500 hp because my final goal is to have 625-675 rwhp?Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
No idea, but with that much power I hope you also have your rear end upgraded and your transmission, as well as suspension.
I hit 540rwhp with my stock LS6, but we tuned it back since I'm stock bottom end.
I also suspect you'll be running either a fuel cell or dual in-tank fuel pumps.
1st off let me say that the 04 gto's all came out with the ls6 intake. i am still running my ls6 intake, heads and bottom end and am at 400rwhp and 390rwtq with a m6. and i have a 605 exhaust lift cam. i can go one size bigger cam before i will need to fly cut the pistons.
What ie everyones opinion on professional products 96mm intake and throttle body
I had one and upgraded to a FAST 102. It worked fine but took a lot of work to make it work right.
How much of a difference is the FAST intake vs LS6 intake on a h/c LS1?
what about the 102's? waste unless you have it feeding 400+inches?
For the 346ci motor, I think the LS6 is the best bang for your buck. FAST intake is $$$ for the gains you receive on the LS1 IMO
so in my case, having a factory ls6 intake, i shouldn't replace it until i build a big hammer?
I have a FAST 102 but I haven't really ran the car since the install. My car didn't come with a LS6 intake and I plan on building a 512 ci stroker in the future and didn't want to waste money buying a ls6 to later replace it with a FAST.
Another reason to get the FAST over the ls6 would be if you were to run really high duration and lift cam. The ls6 intake would work but you would see some gain from a FAST.
I need to jump in here. I will be doing a full bolt-on mod session soon, and I was wondering about the LS2 intake. It has'nt been mentioned here yet. It's a 90mm and was supposed to be better than the LS6. Anyone have any opinions on this?
Actually the flow on the ls2 intake is worse than the ls6. However you can get a 90mm ls6 which flows better than both. There is a company the takes the snout off the ls2 intake and puts it on the ls6 intake. That is the route I would have gone if I had a ls6 intake on my car.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneGunman
Is there some link that we can have to to look at this modded intake?Quote:
Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6
http://www.tpis.com/parts/view/39Quote:
Originally Posted by WhamhammerIs there some link that we can have to to look at this modded intake?Quote:
Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6
It's $799 if you don't supply the intake.
Anyone know what it would cost if you supplied the intake?
No clue but if I had to guess it would knock $200-350 off the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneGunman
I wish they had shown a bigger picture than that. I'm trying to figure out what they do that merits $400+ for just the snout install.
Well they have to make sure it doesn't leak, most of it is probably labor plus the cost of an ls2 intake for the snout. I know they use an epoxy to secure the snout. You could always email or call and ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whamhammer
Funny thing is I bought my fast 102 new for $24 more than the 90mm ls6 intake costs without supplying the intake.
Yes, it does seem very pricey. I wonder what kind of flow gains one could really expect over the Fast 102, or even the stock LS6.
I also wonder how hard it would be to hollow out the LS6 manifold and put a thin plate that will accept a larger throttle body.
If you're a bolt on car, an ls6 is plenty.
If you're a cam/head car, either a FAST 90/90 or FAST 92/92, ported if possible. Everything else pretty much either has some sort of fitment issue, are lead anchors, or/and are aluminum and act as giant heatsinks
Just to give you an idea of the gains you'd be looking at:
with the stock ls1 intake and bolt ons I made 335 to the wheels. 380 to the wheels with my cam and ls1 intake. Picked up a ported FAST 92 with a 92mm throttle body and made 420ish to the wheels. A proper intake can give you just as much of an hp gain as the cam or heads, don't skimp out.
The FAST 102 is overkill for a stock cubes ls1, even with heads and a cam the gains will be minimal. And without heads it could actually hurt your numbers.
Can a person even get a FAST less than a 102 these days? I thought the 92 was discontinued.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeadFarmer
I plan on doing a head/cam build on my '02 LS1, unless LS3 crate prices drop dramatically.
They started making it again I believe since I saw them for sale on Texas Speed. But other than that you could find them used. I don't think a 102 will hurt performance at all. Yes you won't see as much gain without heads, cam, or more cubes. I am going to be building a 500+ ci so that is one reason I went with the 102.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhamhammerCan a person even get a FAST less than a 102 these days? I thought the 92 was discontinued.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeadFarmer
I plan on doing a head/cam build on my '02 LS1, unless LS3 crate prices drop dramatically.
I find it very difficult to believe you made an additional 40rwhp from an intake swap. Your car on the same DYNO on a different day could have picked up 15rwhp, and who knows the difference on a different DYNO as they all are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeadFarmer
There were dyno comparisons a couple years back when the 102's first hit the market. It was shown that the larger 102 stomped the previous smaller versions. Even Tony Mamo who was part of that session explained there is no reason to avoid the 102 even for a small 346 cubed LS1 engine, it doen't hurt performance because the intake is a dry intake, it only deals with incoming air and doesn't have to atomize fuel unlike a carbed application, so larger size has no bearing as far as hurting power. Fuel is all taken care of at the injector right above the cylinder head ports.
So don't shy away from the 102 just because. It'll work fine. If you are spending the money for a FAST, may as well get the latest design for your money.
Personally, for even a head/cam car that is primarily street driven, the LS6 does the job. Plenty of them I've seen run bottom 11's. Even cam only cars with the LS6 will dip into the 11's easily.
I only see the FAST setup a cost effective upgrade IF you are a serious track car that is class racing and you're looking for every last tenth. Just my opinion but I can't see spending $1500-$2000 on an intake setup for a street car. There are many other things that I could put that money to better use with.
The power jump was also due to the tune. Because I was originally running the ls1 intake with stock T/B my tuner was very conservative with the initial tune, and even left it slightly rich to compensate for future mods...didn't turn out to be a great idea. I got it re-tuned right after the intake and T/B were installed. 6 of the 8 runs booked around the 410 mark, last run was without the paper filter (was on the car due to heavy rain that week), putting it at 420.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
That power is pretty much smack in the middle of what's expected with a bolt on ms3 m6. Not unusual at all.
I picked up 28 rwhp going from a LS6 intake to a FAST 92/92 and some bigger injectors.
Thanks kinda what I was hoping to hear. My car is an 02 WS6, so it has the LS6 intake already. It's really hard for me to rationalize spending about $1,000 for an intake manifold and then getting a throttle body about that for a street car. I could put that sort of money to help out the bottom end, a lighter K frame or something. Plus that intake screams "look at me", but doesn't really deliver all that much more it seems (especially dealing with the smog police).
LS6 is the best way to go for the money.
I picked up 20rwhp going from a LS6 to a FAST 92 on my H/C car on the same dyno.
But is the 20 hp really worth getting a $1,000 manifold? Did you also by a larger throttle body? What cam specs are you using?
There are people who spend that much on an exhaust set up to get around the same gain. My 102 didn't cost $1000, it was $823 new from Maryland Speed. For the FAST depending on how much you get it for it is between $40-50 per hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whamhammer
It's actually alot more than that if you do it (what I consider) all the way.
You need a matching throttle body, and it's all for not (in my opinion) unless you do an air intake setup to match the size if the new throttle body/intake so a better lid and couplings are in order. So that's more money. Then there is the whole fuel rail/fuel injector upgrade issue, more money.
I've priced this stuff out before, it barely comes in under $2,000 by the time it's all said and done. So unless you buy used, or find a shop going out of business that's having a clearance sale, it's alot of dough for an intake upgrade.
That's not to say I wouldn't do it. If I were competitively running an LS based engine that was fuel injected and looking for all I could get short of going with a sheetmetal setup, then the FAST would be my choice. For a mostly driven street car however I really don't care about the small gain from an expensive intake, the LS6 gets the job done well enough.
do these ls-6 intakes fit the 2012 camaro's with a L99 engine and if so would there be any power gains
I have had a BBK on my car now for about 2 years and I love it. Looks good and definitely seems to pull harder from 4-6K rpm. It was one of my first mods. IMO you can't really go wrong with the LS6 or BBK. To me the FAST is way overpriced, JMO. I hear many mixed things about the Typhoon intakes. Personally after reading all the arguments and talks I decided to go with the BBK and am very please with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fbodynut
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Originally Posted by Whamhammer
This is what exactly how I feel. If I was seriously in track racing then yeah I could justify the expense. But seeing how this is my weekend car and overall play toy that I want to have fun in I can't see me dropping that amount of coin. I'm not saying I'd reject one if it landed on my doorstep but I have other items on my build list that have higher priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
Whamhammer, don't get wrapped up in the HP numbers game. Figure out what you want and decide from there.
No - The L99 and LS3 are GEN IV motors that have rectangular port heads. The intake you would want is the LS3 or L76 style intake to work with the L99 stock heads. It should already come with this intake.Quote:
Originally Posted by nosnova
The LS6 intake is designed for cathedral port heads.
The LS3/L76 intake also has more volume of air flow over the LS6 intake.
I've seen his car and the BBK does look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 88gtman
When we going to do your headers?
It's all relative I guess. It was worth it to me, but I also wanted to paint it for some extra bling under the hood, so tack on an extra $200 for a powder coat. It looks sick though. I did get a new TB, MAF, FTP lid & bellows to complement it. No one ever said this hobby was cheap. Cam is a 231/234.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whamhammer
love my fast 102
Do you enter car shows?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrntWS6
I didn't think you could get plastic powder coated? Where did you get it done?
I do mostly go to car shows / cruze nights, sit around for hours BS'ing and to drink a few beers. I really wanted the FAST more for looks I guess. The HP increase was just an added bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
@ 98TransAm.....I got mine Powder coated from a company called "the powder pro" in Woodstock IL. They do great work....they did my rims, brake calipers and catch can.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...6/IMG_0755.jpg