500hp v6 project

The car it's in...

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t.../looks%20good/

The first turbo that would eat SBC V8's (pre LSx)...

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And the new motor is a 3.4l from a 1995 Camaro with heads from a 2004 3.5l Malibu with pushrods and guides from a '95 3100 (modified), soon to have 1.7 roller tip rockers (came with 1.6 roller fulcrum's from the factory), LS6 beehive valve springs, and possably a 75mm single bore Cadillac N* TB (maybe a custom 65mm depending on VE)...

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I'm expecting 250+hp from it N/A with 11:1 compression, and over 500hp once the boost is back on (then it will have 3400 pistons for 8.9:1CR).

With Ford 1.7 ratio rockers, it will be near .500 lift with a mild 260 cam in it. If I decide to go with a 270, it will be near .550. It will be capable of rotating in excess of 7000RPM, and will be using DIS4 and MegaSquirt for tuning.

The 3500 is capable of over 300fwhp, proven on a dyno by members of another board. With 100cc's less, I believe my goals are attainable.

This engine is being built from all GM stock parts with the exception of the Ford rockers. I'm only using the Ford rockers because they were $59/set of 16 for 4340 forged CNC'd "stamped style" rockers. The fulcrum to valve distance was increased by GM on the latter 60*V6 engines because of the canted valves.

Here are some comparison pics between the 2.8/3.1/3.4 iron heads, 3400 aluminum heads (post 2000), and the 3500 heads introduced in 2004...

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Whatcha think?

think that you shoulda started out with a fast car and made it faster. just my 2cents, you can do what you want. a guy localy is running 8's in his tt firebird.

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think that you shoulda started out with a fast car and made it faster. just my 2cents, you can do what you want. a guy localy is running 8's in his tt firebird.

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Tim King has gone 8.99 in a 4th gen Firebird 3800 and dyno'd over 800hp.

My car is staying full street trim, and 10 seconds is my goal.

I was going to do an LSx swap, but decided to see what can be done with a V6. I have done fun v8 swaps in the past. The best was an 86 Mustang LX with a 355SBC mated to a th400 that ran 11.8x with the motor and 10.8x on the NOS. It had the stock 8.5" rear, and was painted Chevy Orange. That was probably 10yrs ago now, and I was looking for a project car and couldn't pass up the deal I got. It's not like we needed a 5th vehicle, but now I'm hooked on the 60* motor.

who would have figured, anohter v8 guy comming in and dumping on a thread about a quick v6..........

sounds like an awsome plan to me. a 500hp v6 is something you dont see to often. please keep us update on your progress.

Got my block this week! 204ci with a 3.622" bore and 3.307 stroke...

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keep us updated

Amazing what a little cleaning can do...
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Mirror polished intake runners (308cc volume, 11.75" long)...
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Now the head before porting...

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Chambers are heart shaped at 32.4cc's, intake ports are 114.4cc's, and 68cc exhaust ports. With 8mm dished pistons and .060" compressed height head gaskets with a 3.8" bore this would give me 11.5:1 compression so the chambers are getting enlarged and polished to eliminate hot spots. There is already a 5 angle valve job and enough clearance for over 3/4" lift at the valves, but these springs will get me well over .5" (anybody recognise these,lol)...

(3400 heads I got used)
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Oh yeah, the Ford rockers aren't going to work because of pushrod lenght and LIM clearance issues. Using 1.65 roller fulcrum self-aligning rockers (come stock in late 3x00's), they're on the left...
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Got some new go-fast goodies :D

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38mm Tial external WG to replace the knock-off I had, and an Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump and filter that came off a 9sec GN. The pump is good for 1000hp N/A and 800hp under boost.

wow.....If u reach that mark.....well fuck i dont know what to say lol......Congrats?
Thats a hell of a goal man....Good luck with it man

sheesh, good luck man

whose roller rockers are those? Part # too if you can,

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whose roller rockers are those? Part # too if you can,

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The 1.7 rockers that were going to be used are from a Ford SB, but the pushrod would have to be too long, and there is clearance problems with the LIM. The stock 3500 roller fulcrum rockers are staying on.

If you have 3x00 heads, the Crane Gold 1.6 full rollers will work, but again, the LIM needs clearancing on some motors. I don't see a need to spend that kind of money just to add a roller tip.

:D For engine management...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/100_3268.jpg

engine looks really clean nice job, good luck with your project.

I see your in florida! I'd like to see this in person when its done...

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I see your in florida! I'd like to see this in person when its done...

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N/A should be a go for the southern V6 Clash in Louisiana. With 11.5:1 compression 250-300hp should be a reasonable goal.

Just started shopping for a turbo to go with the other supporting parts I have :D. The biggest problem for now is that I have a completely stock suspension and rear (3.23 open). Once I get this thing running, I'll be asking for some help in the suspension category ;).

I'm just outside Ft Lauderdale and the CNC/fab shop is in Deerfield. Our skills are not limited to V6's (if we can make a 500hp V6, imagine what we could do to an LSx) and if you want to check us out, just PM me.

Block has been stripped, glass-beaded, pressure washed, then painted :D, but have an unexpected expense of cam bearings (we'll change them at the shop)...

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Damn looking good.

Clevite 77 bearings and a .010" under reman crank...

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Just got to get rings, cam, cam bearings, and an appropriate sized hone, then it's time to assemble!!!

Going to look great when the final product is done, I like seeing rare projects, other V6 guys will love to see this completed.

Nice project man!!!!! Awesome to see something new on the table with big goals, Im not too familiar with the v6 engines but is this the same engine as the Grand nationals are running?

There is a grand national that runs at the track near me.OMG 3.8 1/8 @ 178MPH, Man has balls, Its a world record holding car v6 turbo charged, I think he has our track record from BBC to Sbc to top alcohal dragster, Car is a beast. But if its the same engine your running then good luck man its going to be insane!!!!!

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Nice project man!!!!! Awesome to see something new on the table with big goals, Im not too familiar with the v6 engines but is this the same engine as the Grand nationals are running?

There is a grand national that runs at the track near me.OMG 3.8 1/8 @ 178MPH, Man has balls, Its a world record holding car v6 turbo charged, I think he has our track record from BBC to Sbc to top alcohal dragster, Car is a beast. But if its the same engine your running then good luck man its going to be insane!!!!!

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No, that is a 90 degree motor, mine is 60. All else equal, a 60* V6 is going to be more powerful than a 90*, just that the 90* has more aftermarket support. A 90* just doesn't have the harmonics on it's side like the 660 does...

http://www.e31.net/engines_e.html

GM is making 60*V6's (660's) that are pushing over 300hp N/A in stock form (3.6VVT) The 3500 that I got these head off are in the neighborhood of 220hp, and a memeber on another board just hit 315bhp (crank) with a 3500 after porting/polishing, long tubes, and cam :D

Some exhaust port work...
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Here's the finished exhaust ports, they should flow pretty nicely :)

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eewwwww kitamura....

I'll stick with my HAAS's and moris ;)




Coming along nicely man...

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eewwwww kitamura....

I'll stick with my HAAS's and moris ;)




Coming along nicely man...

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Yep, got a Kitamura MyCenter 2, and a MoriSeiki lathe ;) (and a few other old-arse CNC/manual stuff)

Thanks for the compliments on the car, though :)

We've got a mycenter in my shop too, but I don't mess with that much.
Ours is fucking LOUD on the pallet changes.... like wtf who drove a car into a wall loud... I suppose thats why I don't like it ;)

Intake ports...


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I am going to be doing a 3.4 (94) rebuild soon for my brother in law. Can someone write up a list of the parts used and from what motor they were used. For example, which pushrods and pistons. Its going to be a total rebuild with either nitrous or turbo when done. I was reading through this thread and am a little confused what was used and I think it would be beneficial for others to have a list in one place of what was used.

The heads are from a 2004 Malibu

pushrods from a 95 3100 Gen2

That's about it besides the few details to make it work depending on what year car they are going into, type of tranny, ECM etc.

I can give you a really good deal on the heads being checked, rebuilt, cleaned and all of the peripherals to go with it. PM me if you are interested, I have a machine shop.

Did you use the 04 rockers or upgrade to something else? Do you also have to use the 3400 pistons to get the compression ratio down? Just curious. Thank You

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Did you use the 04 rockers or upgrade to something else? Do you also have to use the 3400 pistons to get the compression ratio down? Just curious. Thank You

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On my car, the compression is going to be high until the turbo goes back on. Then I will change to 3400 pistons and re-port the heads for boost.

Yes, the rockers I ended up using is the 1.6 roller fulcrum rockers that came stock with the 04 heads.

The TB is a 75mm unit from a Cady Northstar, and throttle cable is from a Vortech pickup. Don't know how I'm going to deal with the tranny cable yet, but some of you 4th gen fbodies don't have to worry about that (or manual trans)

I have a machine shop and buy engines in bulk. If anybody is interested in 3x00 heads that are modified to work with RWD pistons, PM me. They are remanufactuerd we have options such as SS valves LSx or Comp springs, porting/polishing etc.

Thats what I needed to know, thanks. I will also keep in mind about the reworked heads in the future.

Polishing the chambers, along with getting rid of sharp edges and casting marks. Kept the removal of material to keep the compression up for the N/A runs...

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The car it's in...

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t.../looks%20good/

The first turbo that would eat SBC V8's (pre LSx)...

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And the new motor is a 3.4l from a 1995 Camaro with heads from a 2004 3.5l Malibu with pushrods and guides from a '95 3100 (modified), soon to have 1.7 roller tip rockers (came with 1.6 roller fulcrum's from the factory), LS6 beehive valve springs, and possably a 75mm single bore Cadillac N* TB (maybe a custom 65mm depending on VE)...

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I'm expecting 250+hp from it N/A with 11:1 compression, and over 500hp once the boost is back on (then it will have 3400 pistons for 8.9:1CR).

With Ford 1.7 ratio rockers, it will be near .500 lift with a mild 260 cam in it. If I decide to go with a 270, it will be near .550. It will be capable of rotating in excess of 7000RPM, and will be using DIS4 and MegaSquirt for tuning.

The 3500 is capable of over 300fwhp, proven on a dyno by members of another board. With 100cc's less, I believe my goals are attainable.

This engine is being built from all GM stock parts with the exception of the Ford rockers. I'm only using the Ford rockers because they were $59/set of 16 for 4340 forged CNC'd "stamped style" rockers. The fulcrum to valve distance was increased by GM on the latter 60*V6 engines because of the canted valves.

Here are some comparison pics between the 2.8/3.1/3.4 iron heads, 3400 aluminum heads (post 2000), and the 3500 heads introduced in 2004...

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Whatcha think?

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Good luck ! I like it allot.

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Good luck ! I like it allot.

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Thanks :D


Worked on my engine finally for a little bit today instead of everyone else's, lol. Got another 3500 comming in tomorrow, and will be dissasembling/cleaning all day.

Got the cam bearings out...

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And honed the cylinders...




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Now I got to order the rings (hopefully tonight after the kids are in bed), and maybe this week the crank, cam bearings and oil pump will go in.

Got the cam bearings in after a slight snag yesterday, also the crank, rods and pistons are done...

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Should've gone with a LQ1 :P Good luck :)

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Should've gone with a LQ1 :P Good luck :)

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Not much aftermarket support for one, and a FWD block won't fit in my car without a tubular k-member.

Right now the strongest 3500 has put 271hp and 291ft/lbs to the wheels N/A and stock bottom end.

Sorry about the lack of updates, but engine sims are showing upwards of 300chp...

Started fabricating the alt mount brackets. Just so you know, the stock RWD 60* brackets will work with some minor modification, but I need room for some turbos...

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Not really happy with the placement of the alt. Lower would be better, but the huge engine mounts are gettin gin the way. I made this prototype out of some scrap AL (probably see the extra tooling marks in it, lol). Might move it to get some more room for the headers.

Looks like its coming along pretty well. I cant wait to see it when its done and what kind of power it makes. I guess the hardest part is finding time to work on your own stuff. LOL.

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Looks like its coming along pretty well. I cant wait to see it when its done and what kind of power it makes. I guess the hardest part is finding time to work on your own stuff. LOL.

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I hear ya. 4 kids, two jobs, four cars, no time for social life outside the PC, lmao.


Got a little more done today.


Enlarge the holes a little on the P/S bracket...

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A/C bracket needs one new hole...

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The neighbor at the shop re-builds alts and starters, and I asked him today if he has any GM alts layning around. He said yes, but if yours works, I'll rebuild it for free, and it will look "pretty". Let's see what kind of job he does, neighboly love for ya, lol.

lookin great man, cant wait to see the finished project , u'll have to post vids

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Before cleaning/glass beading....

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Close up of the holes enlarged on the iron head coolant neck. This means so far all the stock brackets can be used, but I will have to machine an adapter...

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Cose up of the mounting holes moved...

Some new problems arised, though. Now the TB isn't going to work, it's on up-side down in the pics because the black alt bracket and alt is in the way. I may have to swing the alt down a little and fabricate a replacement (for the small black bracket), re-configure the TB, or use another TB. The alt bracket has two bolts and only two contacts on the head, this could be unstable at high RPM's, so need to figure out something to make to hold the bottom bolt hole to the lower boss on the front of the pass side head.

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The A/C bracket, I feel comfortable with. It has two bolts to hold it, with opposing contacts on the head for stability, but the new bolt hole is through some thin cast aluminum and I don't want it to break. To remedy this, I plan on using a steel sleeve over the bolt behind the bracket - so it gets "sandwiched" between the bracket and head when torqued down.


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i never really payed too much attention to the 3rd gens ..but after seeing your car and how good it looks im startin to dig em.....i guess its because most of the 3rd gens i see on the road are not well maintained and look like terds ...but when theyre in the shape that yours is in they really are nice cars.

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i never really payed too much attention to the 3rd gens ..but after seeing your car and how good it looks im startin to dig em.....i guess its because most of the 3rd gens i see on the road are not well maintained and look like terds ...but when theyre in the shape that yours is in they really are nice cars.

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Funny, I think the same things about 4th gen Fire Turds, lmao.

Thanks for the props, it's looking good on the engine sims and airflow calcs ;)

576bhp twin turbo at 12psi with 11.5:1 compression on pump gas,

300bhp N/A on the same engine.

No boost is going on until I see 250whp.


Your car looks good, gotta love the 'Birds, the are teh shiznit.


Can you imagine what we can do with an LSx? I have a passion for the 60 Degree V6, but anything with internal combustion intregues me.

We are getting ready to mod a 327 Fiero with Patriot AL heads CNC ported by Patriot with SS valves, and dual quad 550 carbs with a manifold ported by your truely :D

My favorite build to date is the "Moustang". It ran 11.8x all motor and 10.3x juiced. It has a 355SBC carbed with 250hp adder. On the th400 and stock Ford 8.5 rear, painted Chevy Orange baby.

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Funny, I think the same things about 4th gen Fire Turds, lmao.

Thanks for the props, it's looking good on the engine sims and airflow calcs ;)

576bhp twin turbo at 12psi with 11.5:1 compression on pump gas,

300bhp N/A on the same engine.

No boost is going on until I see 250whp.


Your car looks good, gotta love the 'Birds, the are teh shiznit.


Can you imagine what we can do with an LSx? I have a passion for the 60 Degree V6, but anything with internal combustion intregues me.

We are getting ready to mod a 327 Fiero with Patriot AL heads CNC ported by Patriot with SS valves, and dual quad 550 carbs with a manifold ported by your truely :D

My favorite build to date is the "Moustang". It ran 11.8x all motor and 10.3x juiced. It has a 355SBC carbed with 250hp adder. On the th400 and stock Ford 8.5 rear, painted Chevy Orange baby.

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im curious to see what this v6 is gonna put out....looks like you know your shit on these 6ers....

I know I haven't posted in a while, but The old engine is out, the bay has been cleaned/painted, removed a couple uneccesary things, and neatened it up a bit...

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Not going to build two sets of headers, so the turbos are going on soon :D

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Clevite 77 bearings and a .010" under reman crank...

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Where did you get the crank? Do they make em for 3.8's?

Looks to be a cool sleeper project!

Keep us posted on your progress.

What are you running for mufflers?

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A pair of to4e's :D

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It's just a stock reconditioned crank. This motor is actually going to be temporary, I'm going to put a full FWD block and all in, the newer generations of 60 degree's have much better oiling and a roller cam, not to mention the steel machined crank, snaped rods, main cap girdles, windage tray, and piston oil squirters etc. There's just a few details to get one installed, but I really want to get a tubular k member before that happens (unless I just blow this one up and need a replacement :D) because of various changes like the starter being on the wrong side, square oil pan with no frame notch, DIS wheel being 52x instead of 7x etc.

you've probably said it before in here...but that appears to be a 3500 upper plenum. is that correct?

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you've probably said it before in here...but that appears to be a 3500 upper plenum. is that correct?

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Yes. It's a 3500 top end on a 3.4 block and pistons. 11.5:1 compression and a 285 cam.

So, they finally meet...

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...and the madness begins.

I had to move the A/C bracket down, now the stock P/S isn't going to work. I'm going to use a signaw P/S pump with remote reservoir, and the alt had to be relocated, but things feel like they are moving again...


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thank god, finally an update.... looks bad ass!!!!!

Had a couple hours to work on it tonight and got the driver's side tacked in place...

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Swapped the rear out of an '85 T/A, and also the 3" exhaust whil I was at it. The rear is a 9 bolt Borg Warner with disk brakes, the exhaust is a Dynomax cat-back. :D


Enjoy...

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The previous owner of the T/A told me it was a Dana 40, but oh well. The 3.42 posi is better than the 3.23 open, and I got disk brakes to boot.

Took about 7hrs working by myself, with many breaks, including one that was about 1 hr long - soccer try outs for my 9yr old was today, and she would have been dissapointed if I didn't go :lol: She hung for a while today, then the two boys came out and watched for a bit. They all love watching the car being worked on. My 3yr old girl has known what a turbo is for the last 1.5 yrs haha (aka: "turbogirl").

Now, to get spacers to run the 11" wide Drag-Lites, the 'Bird will have traction!!!

Well come to find out the rear is a Dana M78 (AKA 9 bolt or Aussie rear from Holden) and has a 7.65" gear, 3.45 gears woot!

The other turbo came in, I sealed up all the welds, and started grinding them down to look pretty after cermic coating...

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I thought I was going to be able to keep the power steering and A/C, but after checking the final resting place for the driver's turbo the stocker P/S has to go. The A/C compressor is now quite a bit lower, and I think it actually looks neater this way. I have a manual steering box to use temp, perhaps a Signaw remote res pump will fit, but I'll try that later. Will have manual steering for the moment (at least I still have A/C haha). There might be room in front of the passenger head, we'll see...

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its looking aweseome man, how long till u expect to complete this project?

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its looking aweseome man, how long till u expect to complete this project?

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Thanks! :D

I stopped giving myself a due date. Every time I think it's going to be done, I get more upgrades lol. With four kids, a construction company, a CNC machine shop and a hobby (cars), it get's tough finding time for it.

The motor has been together for almost a year, and now am going to strip the heads back of it because I got a set of these...

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I'll probably change the cam too since the original plan was to start out N/A, and it's a huge N/A cam.

Had about 1.5 hrs to fool around with it today between the son's soccer practice and dinner :lol:

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Still have to figure out the WG mounting. The turbo bracket is temporary for welding it up after I get the other side situated. Sure wish I had more time for my own build hehe.

Got a little more done today, creeping along...

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Looks like a nice set up. I'm just wondering how these motors handle high horsepower. I guess you'll find out;).

That looks bad ass. Nice to see someone doing something others wouldnt normally do. There was a guy on my Montecarlo forum back in the day running a SC 3800 lumina and it would run 12s at the track, it was crazy.

a couple guys i know turboed their 3100SFI L82s a while back. they had some head gasket failure issues but i believe they got them worked out. they weren't runnin twin turbos though either. what psi are you going to run?

this thing looks outrageous by the way...can't wait to see it all finished up.

Hey looking good bro! Can you believe I havent even installed my frigin catch can yet? Been super busy but still thats pathetic. I have had new rotors,brake pads,headlights that have sat for over 6 months too. I gotta get on the ball jeez.

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That looks bad ass. Nice to see someone doing something others wouldnt normally do. There was a guy on my Montecarlo forum back in the day running a SC 3800 lumina and it would run 12s at the track, it was crazy.

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i agree.....crazy, there are a couple people i know that are big into turbo l67,l32 3800 v6's. The one guy, Bob ran high 8's with his and the other Tim ran mid 8,s....I was in total awe

And did you kept the factory 3.4L oil pump, or took off the one from the 3500 ?

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Sorry about the delay, haven't worked on it much lately.

11.5:1 SCR, low boost (4-10psi) and think I'm going to use a water to air intercooler.

The mains on these motors have a tendancy to stretch about the 450whp mark, so we will see.

Got to work on it some this weekend between the soccer/softball games etc (got 4 kids :P)...

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any new stuff happening with this ride?

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any new stuff happening with this ride?

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Not much since the last post. I have the passenger side header complete, just need to weld the WG pipe/flange onto it. The parts to make the down pipes and WG return loops have been sitting in the garage for a few weeks now.

I'm going to have to take a short break on it, got a car shipped here from VA getting quite a treatment, so that will be filling up the spare time I already don't have :lol:

thats cool i just hope it wasint going to be like some other ones on here and get so close and just never let us know how it worked out.

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thats cool i just hope it wasint going to be like some other ones on here and get so close and just never let us know how it worked out.

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Not a typical forum bench-racer ;)


You can research my username :D

Updates?

You are my hero. Twin Turbo on a V6 Fbody. Sick. I am happy someone is doing this project because it will show that us V6 guys can have fun too.

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You are my hero. Twin Turbo on a V6 Fbody. Sick. I am happy someone is doing this project because it will show that us V6 guys can have fun too.

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Yes we can! LoL:yup::yup:

I'm doing a single turbo on my 96' Camaro 3.8 should be done here in a couple of months. Hoping for 400 WRHP to 450 WRHP with a GT35R turbo 10-15PSI.

I'm soo happy to hear about the V6 crowd doing some mods. Makes me feel proud :)

Good luck with it. I built up my 98 V6 firebird to 370 rwhp and 430 rwtq on a 125 wet shot. Wasnt easy but very fun and well worth. It had Diamond forged and coated pistons, stock l32 forged rods, Ported heads and intakes, Pretty big cam back then and a 125 shot of N20. on motor it made 230rwhp and 230rwtq. Most fun I ever had in a car untill shit started breaking every week. I had a stock tranny with a spec stage 3 clutch and a stock rear end with a T/A cover. Broke 2 trannies and 3 rears in a matter of 8 months. I got sick of not being able to drive my car so thats why I sold her and got a LS1. Oh yeah the car wasnt even tuned properly. I had a Maft + on it because there was no software out at the time. My a/f on motor was 11.8.1 and on the juice it was between 9:5.1 and 10:2.1. I tuned the car on motor with the maft+ but I was to scared to tune it on the spray. My only suggestion is dont expect super high numbers on the dyno. I went into mine thinking 400rwhp on the spray and 250rwhp on motor. The 1st pull on motor was 200rwhp. I got it tuned to 230rwhp but that was it. I still went from 186rwhp on the stock motor to 230 on the built motor which was pretty good. After that though every dyno I go in on now I expect low numbers. When I 1st dynoed my WS6 I expected 310rwhp since it was a cat back and lid but it pulled 330rwhp!

I can't wait to see some updates on this engine.

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I can't wait to see some updates on this engine.

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Me either!

Sux to have all these parts sitting in the garage while I work on everyone else's car :lol:

I only have a little welding to do on the headers, then make the downpipes and the hotside will be complete. I have decided to use and air-to-water intercooler, so that really is the last major purchase. Then it's onto bending some fuel lines as I want to use the stock fuel rail, but plumb both rails inline using 2 regulators (two 8an lines, one to each side of the rail, then two 6an's returning).

Good thing I bought a ceramic coating rig, 'cause the headers are getting all rusty haha.

The car from VA is still here and have the back 1/2 and exhaust complete. Then it's getting turned around and the k-member is being replaced, cam and head swap, ECM swap, tuning and Corvette brake swap. Perhaps then I will be able to find time to get back on the twin turbo. The car has been inoperable for 2yrs now, and I'm getting the itch!

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Me either!

Sux to have all these parts sitting in the garage while I work on everyone else's car :lol:

I only have a little welding to do on the headers, then make the downpipes and the hotside will be complete. I have decided to use and air-to-water intercooler, so that really is the last major purchase. Then it's onto bending some fuel lines as I want to use the stock fuel rail, but plumb both rails inline using 2 regulators (two 8an lines, one to each side of the rail, then two 6an's returning).

Good thing I bought a ceramic coating rig, 'cause the headers are getting all rusty haha.

The car from VA is still here and have the back 1/2 and exhaust complete. Then it's getting turned around and the k-member is being replaced, cam and head swap, ECM swap, tuning and Corvette brake swap. Perhaps then I will be able to find time to get back on the twin turbo. The car has been inoperable for 2yrs now, and I'm getting the itch!

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That's a good itch

any updates?

Yea man I want to hear some good news right now. I've been having an extremely bad year.