whoopass on a 96 cobra!!

just got home from racing a friends new 96 cobra w/mild heads, cam, intake...raced him twice, first time he jumped me on the start and i sorta missed second, but i passed him in third, got him by 2 car leangths....second time we started off even, i hit second pretty good and nosed past him in second, then pulled a car leanght in third, he missed 4th lol.....but good times! all my buddies with muscle cars are going to muncie dragstrip friday for the fast and furious wars, suposedly its rices vs muscle or somthing, cant wait!


btw, the guy i was supposed to race with the charger, his daddy wouldnt let him borrow it :kick:

Nice man, try to get some videos for this friday. I would love to see some ricer vs. muscle action

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just got home from racing a friends new 96 cobra w/mild heads, cam, intake...raced him twice, first time he jumped me on the start and i sorta missed second, but i passed him in third, got him by 2 car leangths....second time we started off even, i hit second pretty good and nosed past him in second, then pulled a car leanght in third, he missed 4th lol.....but good times! all my buddies with muscle cars are going to muncie dragstrip friday for the fast and furious wars, suposedly its rices vs muscle or somthing, cant wait!


btw, the guy i was supposed to race with the charger, his daddy wouldnt let him borrow it :kick:

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The outcome doesn't surprise me, takes alot to make that year somewhat fast. You'd probably have a better race w/ the Charger.

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Nice man, try to get some videos for this friday. I would love to see some ricer vs. muscle action

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They have Domestics Vs. Imports twice a year here. It's called "Street Wars". You wouldn't believe the big turnouts that day. Some sick stuff!

nice kill man...

would be wierd to see a Domestic VS Import thing around these areas... seing as everything is IMPORTED!... MUAHAHAHAHAHA

I agree with the fact that you have to video that stuff!!

I wish they has "street wars" down here

He missed 2nd, thats crazy how do you do that haha, nice kill

Lol a 96 cobra, those came with 305hp, not to bad, i have seen ones with cams, heads and some bolt ons make over 350rwhp to 400rwhp , if this kid lost to you and you arent cammed he is a bad driver or has a bad cam/heads setup.

if i go to the track friday, i'll get some vids racing him. there was a mustang owner (5.0 fox) and after we raced he was like 'how the hell is a mostly stock z28 go this fast??" im like umm because mustangs just suck. he was like welll i dont think shanes mustang has a very big cam.......im like yea excuses excuses...but as far as being a bad driver, naw he's alright. but remember, its just a pony, and ponies are for girls.

I know but im saying my dad had a late 90s cobra and when i was stock and his car had just exhaust and an intake i only won by about 3 cars. If his cobra had head work and cams with more bolt ons like your friend he would have smoked me, and dont say maybe my T/A is just slow cause i ran a 12.8@ 110mph with just headers and exhaust. BTW he only owned that cobra for a summer and traded it for a 1968 Jaguar XKE convertable v12, me and him have had that car up to 160something with the original motor. He said he got rid of it cause one day he went in his garage looked at the car and said how did i ever think this car looked good.

Dang good ole race there sonny!!!

He didn't have gears? Thats kinda funny he would go through all that engine work when full exhaust and 4.10's would do him even better :thinkin:

DOHC motors do not need "big cams". In fact, very few 4V 4.6s have aftermarket cams at all.

They don't need big cams, thanks to the extra valves per cylinder.

bwhahhahahha the kid rolled the stang the next day, (MONDAY) he was sliding corners or somthing and totalled his car. The stang was actually a GT with cobra emblems. It DID have those mods tho. He had a v6 mustang, ppl told him to get a v8, he got a 92 rs v8 camaro, someone said it was too old, he got this 96 stang a month ago and totaled it!! now he's gonna get a ls1 car, i'll bet you MONEY!! he wont be able to handle getting beat either.

So he went from a V6 stang that he wrecked into a 92 RS v8 to a 96 cobra/GT and wrecked that one too? im kind of lost

NO he traded the v6 stang off on the rs, then traded it off on the 96 gt. all because ppl talked shit about his first 2 cars. the only one he wrecked was the 96 gt. he had the v6 stang and rs BEFORE HE had his liscense, then got the gt a little while after he got his liscense......i do belive his daddy helped him pay for them lol

he's gonna show up next time with a ls1 car. why? because people will make fun of him being beat in a stang.

Lol sounds like a guy I know from down here. claims he has a cobra, (he had no car) then he got lucky and bough a V6 stang and but cobra emblems on it and first mod was intake which he took to a shop to install it for him for 200 bucks plus he bought it from e-bay. then he got a true duel exhaust which sounded like ass, then came neons that changed to every color and then a system then came on the ricer body kit. he wrecked it once and got it fixed. thats all with his own money and he said it was a real cobra and said it was fast as hell.


6 months later his dad really bought him an 04 cobra convert....





2 days later he wrecked it racing a civic LMAO

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Lol a 96 cobra, those came with 305hp, not to bad, i have seen ones with cams, heads and some bolt ons make over 350rwhp to 400rwhp , if this kid lost to you and you arent cammed he is a bad driver or has a bad cam/heads setup.

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Agree 100%. It takes only mild bolt ons like MAF (worth roughly 11rwhp), X-pipe (roughly 7-9rwhp), Throttle body, Cold Air, gears and tune to get the 96-98's in the low 13's on street rubber. While they are about a half second behind an average LS1, they can be made to run hard very easily. With mild heads and cams, truthfully he should have smoked you. Either a bad driver, bad driveability, or a combination of both!

but this was a gt.

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Agree 100%. It takes only mild bolt ons like MAF (worth roughly 11rwhp), X-pipe (roughly 7-9rwhp), Throttle body, Cold Air, gears and tune to get the 96-98's in the low 13's on street rubber. While they are about a half second behind an average LS1, they can be made to run hard very easily. With mild heads and cams, truthfully he should have smoked you. Either a bad driver, bad driveability, or a combination of both!

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he just said it was actually a GT... :true:

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but this was a gt.

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That's good. I like to think that the average N/A 4V Cobra owner would be schooled enough to list gears 1st on his/her list of mods. I'd like to think that, but too many people spend money before doing research, or formulating a definitive plan of attack.

for all i know it might have gears but i dont think so.

i didnt belive at the time that it was a cobra, but it had a hood and badges.

keyword: rear bumper said mustang gt

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for all i know it might have gears but i dont think so.

i didnt belive at the time that it was a cobra, but it had a hood and badges.

keyword: rear bumper said mustang gt

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BURN!!!... I hate it when they do that... you get all exited cause you're gonna race a cobra and probably beat it...and then you read it's a GT... fkng Posers!!!:sillyme:

A kid in my area owned a V6 Camaro in the late 90s. He had dual outlets, removed any RS badging, and added the Z28 graphics. At the time, I had not yet added the Procharger to my '86 5.0 GT, but the motor was still built. I ran a guy in an M6 WS6. His only mods were headers, ORY, cat back, and a lid. I would put about half a car on him, and mine was a consistent twelve second car. I knew this fella, and we're still friends, and he didn't lie to me about the mods. That was my first run-in with an LS1, so I knew they were serious machines. My Mustang friends, however, did not.....because of this kid. They were convinced that the guy I ran had juice, because of how easily they ripped this kid's "LS1." Word spread throughout the area about how overrated LS1s were, then a guy in my town bought one. To make a longer story a little shorter, most of my friends went down to that car, except the ones that were well-built. A funny part of the story was that one of my friends didn't believe the SS that beat him was stock. He actually looked through the guys engine bay, while holding a chevy magazine with a photo of an LS1 engine, trying to find something on the engine in this car that did not match the photo in the magazine. For a while, however, that kid did make LS1s look bad.

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A kid in my area owned a V6 Camaro in the late 90s. He had dual outlets, removed any RS badging, and added the Z28 graphics. At the time, I had not yet added the Procharger to my '86 5.0 GT, but the motor was still built. I ran a guy in an M6 WS6. His only mods were headers, ORY, cat back, and a lid. I would put about half a car on him, and mine was a consistent twelve second car. I knew this fella, and we're still friends, and he didn't lie to me about the mods. That was my first run-in with an LS1, so I knew they were serious machines. My Mustang friends, however, did not.....because of this kid. They were convinced that the guy I ran had juice, because of how easily they ripped this kid's "LS1." Word spread throughout the area about how overrated LS1s were, then a guy in my town bought one. To make a longer story a little shorter, most of my friends went down to that car, except the ones that were well-built. A funny part of the story was that one of my friends didn't believe the SS that beat him was stock. He actually looked through the guys engine bay, while holding a chevy magazine with a photo of an LS1 engine, trying to find something on the engine in this car that did not match the photo in the magazine. For a while, however, that kid did make LS1s look bad.

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:lmao: :rotfl:
shit like that makes me glad that NO ONE around here knows wtf is a LS1... not even people that drive LT1's... most of the ppl who prep up cars are country bumkins that don't know anything about cars unless it's 4cilinder or Rotary... that way I get no bad rap...and get to impress the shit out of people when I beat them... or keep up with them (when they have much stronger cars)... although 85% of the time, no one believes my racing stories exept for my friends that where there...or the ones that know my car almost as well as I do...

When I had my 01 Cobra, I ran into one on a highway, and left him bad twice. I was stock except for x-pipe, borla, chip, and intake.

It had duals, but no badges. I thought those LS1's were overrated and jumped at the chance to run one after that. Little did I know that the real thing would prolly put a two or three car length hurtin' on me.

Posers are like fags, they are just plain WRONG and don't belong.

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he just said it was actually a GT... :true:

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Oops! My bad. I should have read everything before I posted.

You just need to ask him how many cams he bought, if its not a cobra nad its cammed with head work its probablly only make 280-310rwhp with a good setup.

If he's lucky. 96 GT's didn't put 200 HP to the wheels. I know. I had one.

Yeah but cams with head work and bolt ons can add like 60rwhp on those cars.

Yea 60hp gain is nothing when your not even pushing 200 to the wheels

Well i ahve seen some with cams, head work and all bolt ons make 280+rwhp. Stil laitn shit buts its a good 90-100rwhp gain.

Dang, 200 at the wheels. haha Rustang owners, spend an assload to hit a stock LS1 rwhp mark. :lol:

5.0 parts are cheap tho

and mustangs themselfs are pretty cheap

Its true my friend bought his brand new 5.0 heads for 850 for both heads with everything installed, ls1 heads like that would be around 2500 for both.

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Dang, 200 at the wheels. haha Rustang owners, spend an assload to hit a stock LS1 rwhp mark. :lol:

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Yes....too bad dyno numbers don't get you down the track. :zoom:

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Yes....too bad dyno numbers don't get you down the track. :zoom:

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Not by themselves. But Dyno numbers, a good driver, and traction do!

There's more to it than that. :)

Thats what kills me. These Mustang guys keep saying the LS1 isnt shit, but I keep hearing of them running 14s with superchargers and nitrous. Then they say Cobras with the supercharger are far superior than the LS1, but I have yet to see it. I literally stomp every Mustang that tries, Cobra or not. I ran a Bullit the other day after the guy talked shit for an hour at a local pub. I pulled over 10 cars on him before I hit 3rd. Yeah I have some serious mods, but I told him about them. He still said his cammed, headed, headers Bullit would just eat me up. Well we proved otherwise.

Then I keep getting these damn Hondas trying to race. What a waste. They claim beating other LS1s, but I dont even have to shift to second and I can barely see their headlights. Then there is the moron with the BMW 318. Well anyway, a story for another day.

LOL. And what do you run, Mr. Never been beat by a Rustang?

Well I have only had it built this way for a couple months and I dont drive it much, but I am running a decent size cam, 228/232, heads, LS6 intake, LTs, ORY, catback, Lid, Lots of suspension, Nitto DRs, and a 125 shot(I have yet to fill the bottle, havent needed it yet). I am guessing I am sitting at about 410 RWHP on motor, maybe 500+ on the bottle(if I ever fill it). I have beat 6 Mustangs(1 fox body, 1 96 or so Cobra, 1 regular 96ish GT, the bullit previously mentioned with mods, and 1 new one with at least exhaust, it was loud) so far and a few LT1s.

I did have a Hemi Charger with at least an exhaust, stay within 3 cars of me, but I think I have a problem now cause it feels sluggish, sputtering some on accell.

Oh, no track times yet. No doubt there are faster Mustangs, but the average wise ass Mustang driver just doesnt have a clue. Its a V8 and has some grunt when you add Flowmasters, so it must be fast.

The average wise-ass Mustang owner is pretty much synonomous with the average wise-ass F-body owner - except that there are twice as many of them. However, based on your mods, you certainly should be the average Mustang.

Sounds like you have a nice 12 second (11 on bottle) car there. Lot of miles though....don't know if I'd want to do much spraying.

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You are right. But those OHC 4.6 2V engines are a waste. A dead zone between the old school hot rod 5.0 and the very nice 3V engine that currently resides in the GT.


I would take a 5.0 Fox body any day over any Mustang with a OHC 2V engine. :news:

Yea im not a big fan of how the foxbodies look so I rather have like a 94-95 mustang with the 5.0 and any newer model as long as its not the 2V 4.6 liter.

As for the comment earlier about shitting on a bullit, im not suprised. they are slower then the GTs lol.

I take it you havent went up against an 03-04 cobra yet? They will shit on LS1s (stock for stock) but not by much, but it wouldnt matter to you anyways becasue your pretty built anyways. the 03-04 cobras come with 390 to the crank and thats with a supercharged 4v 4.6

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I take it you havent went up against an 03-04 cobra yet? They will shit on LS1s (stock for stock) but not by much, but it wouldnt matter to you anyways becasue your pretty built anyways. the 03-04 cobras come with 390 to the crank and thats with a supercharged 4v 4.6

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Actually, like the LS1s, the Termis are underrated. I've seen totally stock ones lay anywhere from 360-380 to the wheels. It takes little in the way of mods for an LS1 to run with or beat a stock '03-'04 Cobra, but good luck in finding a stock one. It's ridiculous how cheaply and easily a Termi can be launched deep into the 11s.

Yea its not hard to get the terminators in the 11s but also the price tag on the terminators are pretty high. It would be cheaper to buy and ls1 and spend more on mods get it in the 11s over just buying a terminator.
Plus LS1s are cheaper on insurance

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Yea its not hard to get the terminators in the 11s but also the price tag on the terminators are pretty high. It would be cheaper to buy and ls1 and spend more on mods get it in the 11s over just buying a terminator.
Plus LS1s are cheaper on insurance

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you read my mind.:true:

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Yea its not hard to get the terminators in the 11s but also the price tag on the terminators are pretty high. It would be cheaper to buy and ls1 and spend more on mods get it in the 11s over just buying a terminator.
Plus LS1s are cheaper on insurance

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I think the "bang for the buck" comparison between the Termi and the LS1 F-body is dependent on what your goals happen to be. Certainly one could purchase an LS1 F-body and mod it into an 11-second car cheaper than can be accomplished with purchasing a Cobra and doing the same. A Cobra's real advantage comes into play with those who wish to get more serious in the mod game. For example, An LS1 owner can add FI to their car, and annihilate stock Cobras. Beyond this point is where the Cobra has a big advantage. A stock short-blocked FI LS1 is no match for a blown Cobra when it comes to power production. The Termi's powerplant is built for boost, already having lower compression and a rock solid bottom end, and will be much more reliable. You'll blow a stock short-blocked LS1 apart LONG before you have anything at all to worry about(engine-wise) from the Terminator. Now if you build the LS1 from the ground up for boost, with lower compression and forged internals, then it becomes a whole new ball of wax. Of course, at that point, the cost of modifying the LS1 to that level will far exceed the cost of modding the Cobra to the same point.

As far as the insurance is concerned, obviously someone your age is going to pay more than someone 10-15 years older. In my case, I intend to unload my Z for a C5. I called my insurance guy Wednesday, and was told that it would only cost me an additional $54.34 every 6-months over what I currently pay for my '01 Z28, to insure an '02 ZO6 Corvette. That's with full coverage and the same liability coverage, and, as a business owner, I have considerable liability coverage. I doubt the Terminators would be much higher to insure(if at all) than a Corvette. Of course, it helps to be 30ish with a clean driving record.

Well insurance on a cobra will be higher regardless just because it has a supercharger. But yea if you want to go all out and build a cobra and camaro all out and make em into drag cars I believe its going to be a good race and either way a lot of money is going to go into it.

If you want to go "all out" and build a drag car for cheap, start with a Fox-Body Mustang.

yea thats true but IMHO the foxbodies are ugly

IMHO they're not. :)

lol everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if I absolutly had to get a foxbody I would go with an LX body over the GT. I can stand an LX with bullit rims hehe

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Actually, like the LS1s, the Termis are underrated. I've seen totally stock ones lay anywhere from 360-380 to the wheels. It takes little in the way of mods for an LS1 to run with or beat a stock '03-'04 Cobra, but good luck in finding a stock one. It's ridiculous how cheaply and easily a Termi can be launched deep into the 11s.

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As far as it takes a list of mods for a stock ls1 to take a stock cobra, i have jsut headers, catback and a lid and im running high tens, most stock cobras make 370rwhp, but when you combine that with IRS and the fact that they weigh around 200 more pounds than my T/A most people in stock cobras turn low 13s , good drivers at 12.7s-12.9s which is what my cars runs with just 3 bolt ons. Now i ahve seen stock cobras run the 1/4mile at 112mph wit h12.8s and 12.9s i can only get my car to a 12.8 at 110mph, not too far off.

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As far as it takes a list of mods for a stock ls1 to take a stock cobra, i have jsut headers, catback and a lid and im running high tens, most stock cobras make 370rwhp, but when you combine that with IRS and the fact that they weigh around 200 more pounds than my T/A most people in stock cobras turn low 13s , good drivers at 12.7s-12.9s which is what my cars runs with just 3 bolt ons. Now i ahve seen stock cobras run the 1/4mile at 112mph wit h12.8s and 12.9s i can only get my car to a 12.8 at 110mph, not too far off.

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And what everyone might be missing is that those new Cobras have a supercharger. I have a buddy with a supercharger on his 98 LS1, along with headers and a catback, otherwise stock, putting 407hp to the wheels. So now comparing apples to apples(both cars with superchargers), the LS1 is still a force to be reckoned with. And this is on a 10 year old car.

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And what everyone might be missing is that those new Cobras have a supercharger. I have a buddy with a supercharger on his 98 LS1, along with headers and a catback, otherwise stock, putting 407hp to the wheels. So now comparing apples to apples(both cars with superchargers), the LS1 is still a force to be reckoned with. And this is on a 10 year old car.

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Oh boy, here we go again. If one wishes to play that game (you know...."apples to apples" and such), then include the Cobra guys arguement that goes "if I had 5.7 liters"....etc, etc.

Both are equally dumb.

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As far as it takes a list of mods for a stock ls1 to take a stock cobra, i have jsut headers, catback and a lid and im running high tens,....

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I'm pretty sure you didn't mean high tens....unless your talking an 1/8th mile, in which case it becomes believable.

PS...good drivers run 12.4 to 12.6 in stock Cobra.

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lol everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if I absolutly had to get a foxbody I would go with an LX body over the GT. I can stand an LX with bullit rims hehe

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LX trunk model 5.0, the lightest, and in my opinion the second best looking Fox ever. First place, the 1993 Cobra of course.

How much of a weight difference is there between the LX and GT

update, the guy that was riding with me (when i raced the gt) that owned the 5.0 foxbody bought the wrecked gt for $400, is pulling the engine, putting a bigger cam in it and is putting it in his foxbody. but its still gonna be slow. lol

Bigger cam......not always better. In fact, often not. Oh well....learning can be an expensive experience. :)

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Blkcloud might know that. I heard it was substantial, without all that molding and other worthless crap. No tops or a heavy hatch, I would have to guesstimate about 150 to 200 lbs. Don't get me to lyin'.

Varies a lot. A no (or low) option LX notch could indeed be 200 lbs less than a well-optioned GT. However, add put the more common options on the LX, make it a hatch instead of a notch, and difference is probably more like 50 lbs.

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Oh boy, here we go again. If one wishes to play that game (you know...."apples to apples" and such), then include the Cobra guys arguement that goes "if I had 5.7 liters"....etc, etc.

Both are equally dumb.

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Oh come on BLKCLOUD, we both know a naturally aspirated motor can never equal the efficiency of a forced induction motor - no matter how many liters it has. The "if I had 5.7 liters" argument will never compare to the "if mines was supercharged" debate - let's be honest. But, it is what it is, and the Ford boys had to do what they had to do ;)

Yeah, those stock for stock they were gettin' whupped up and down the street from 94-02. LT1 handled 'em, then the LS1 came in to mop up.

Ironically, the corporate sponsors didn't see dividends, so the Mustang had the last laugh. Maybe in 2009 things will be a little different on the streets!

To be honest I would have a hard decision to choose between a cobra and camaro.

Before I get bashed yea I know chevy makes stronger motors, but also weaker transmissions, and rear ends which can become very expensive to fix. Also I don't think the mustangs are made out of fiberglass but I could be wrong

And oh yea cobra motors respond very well to mods too

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To be honest I would have a hard decision to choose between a cobra and camaro.

Before I get bashed yea I know chevy makes stronger motors, but also weaker transmissions, and rear ends which can become very expensive to fix. Also I don't think the mustangs are made out of fiberglass but I could be wrong

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The only thing you got right was the rear-end part. The T-56 had a stronger capacity than both the T-5 and T-45, and the 4L60 vs. AOD-E...well, were not even gonna go there.

Anytime and engine comes supercharged or turbocharged, it is gonna have a mod advantage. N/A 4.6 motors don't respond as well as the LT1 or LS1 mod for mod. That's just a cold hard fact.

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Anytime and engine comes supercharged or turbocharged, it is gonna have a mod advantage. N/A 4.6 motors don't respond as well as the LT1 or LS1 mod for mod. That's just a cold hard fact.

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Very true. That comes with the territory of displacement

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Oh come on BLKCLOUD, we both know a naturally aspirated motor can never equal the efficiency of a forced induction motor - no matter how many liters it has. The "if I had 5.7 liters" argument will never compare to the "if mines was supercharged" debate - let's be honest. But, it is what it is, and the Ford boys had to do what they had to do ;)

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It is the exact same arguement - only in reverse.

The Camaro guys says "ya, but the only reason your Mustang beat my Camaro is because it came with a blower".

The Mustang guys says "ya, but the only reason your Camaro beat my Mustang is because you have 1.1L more than I do".

I'm not even beginning to argue which motor is more efficient, or has better this, that, or the other. I'm simply saying the "ya, but your car came from the factory with a blower" arguement is dumb....just like the 4.6 to 5.7 arguement.

And Roastem....the 4V 96/97 Cobra was easily a match for the LT1. GTs....not so much. The LS1 was better than all through 2002.

As far as mod for mod...someone go out there and find me the quickest Bolt-on M6 LS1 (don't even bother with the LT1) F-body you can find. Heck, throw Corvettes in there. No power adder (I'm being nice to ya), no internal mods. I'll do the same for N/A 4Vs, then we can compare.

Ya'll game?

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It is the exact same arguement - only in reverse.

The Camaro guys says "ya, but the only reason your Mustang beat my Camaro is because it came with a blower".

The Mustang guys says "ya, but the only reason your Camaro beat my Mustang is because you have 1.1L more than I do".

I'm not even beginning to argue which motor is more efficient, or has better this, that, or the other. I'm simply saying the "ya, but your car came from the factory with a blower" arguement is dumb....just like the 4.6 to 5.7 arguement.

And Roastem....the 4V 96/97 Cobra was easily a match for the LT1. GTs....not so much. The LS1 was better than all through 2002.

As far as mod for mod...someone go out there and find me the quickest Bolt-on M6 LS1 (don't even bother with the LT1) F-body you can find. Heck, throw Corvettes in there. No power adder (I'm being nice to ya), no internal mods. I'll do the same for N/A 4Vs, then we can compare.

Ya'll game?

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O.k. lets play my game for a minute. It's called - "Overall"! Go out there and find me the quickest naturally aspirated 4.6 Mustang. Lethal EFI set the LT1 record with a 9.36@143.17 with a 388 LT1 on stock type suspension, and the worlds fastest LS1 belonged to "Matt346LS1" (now sold) and was a '99 Formula that wen't [email protected] - all motor. 11's ain't nuthin buddy. A mod-motor stanger could only dream about putting up numbers like that.

And as far as efficiency argument goes, no naturally aspirated built street motor is going to even come close to 100% efficiency. That's what superchargers are for :)

See, my argument is exactly like yours...but just in reverse ;)

Jay

LOL. You know you can't win the challenge that I put out, so you go and try to find one that you can win. Good job!

Ok...I'll play along. Mike Tymenski. 300 cid (4.6 based) Modular went.....curiously enough....9.36 @ 143 mph. No 388 CIDs needed. Nor any power adder, of course. :D And very much a stock-style suspension - no tubular chassis, no tubs/mini-tubs, etc. Stick car, too. That was done back in 2000.

Believe the quickest N/A Modular period went 9.20 @ 146. 332 cid (stock stroke, .020 bore 5.4), so the LS1 might have it there.

However...if you are going to go "overall"....vice sticking with what I had originally laid out...."overall" would include power adder cars. Got any LT1/LS1 cars in the 6s? Can an LS1 F-bodyer even dream about putting up numbers like that? LT1? pfft.

But you got me...your arguement did go into reverse....only way you could come close to winning it! :D

Bob

PS....still wanna see those bolt-on LT1/LS1 M6 vs 4V M5 numbers. I'm huttin high and low for my side.

waaaaaa the flames are licking at my thread!


BTW, heard tonight that the kid that wrecked the gt stang bought another 94 gt, pretty much the same with no mods. He didnt learn.

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LOL. You know you can't win the challenge that I put out, so you go and try to find one that you can win. Good job!

Ok...I'll play along. Mike Tymenski. 300 cid (4.6 based) Modular went.....curiously enough....9.36 @ 143 mph. No 388 CIDs needed. Nor any power adder, of course. :D And very much a stock-style suspension - no tubular chassis, no tubs/mini-tubs, etc. Stick car, too. That was done back in 2000.

Believe the quickest N/A Modular period went 9.20 @ 146. 332 cid (stock stroke, .020 bore 5.4), so the LS1 might have it there.

However...if you are going to go "overall"....vice sticking with what I had originally laid out...."overall" would include power adder cars. Got any LT1/LS1 cars in the 6s? Can an LS1 F-bodyer even dream about putting up numbers like that? LT1? pfft.

But you got me...your arguement did go into reverse....only way you could come close to winning it! :D

Bob

PS....still wanna see those bolt-on LT1/LS1 M6 vs 4V M5 numbers. I'm huttin high and low for my side.

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That 9.39@143 was in a Fox Body with a 340-cubed mod motor...not a 300.

Never thought of you as to be the type to lie Bob. I'm honestly dissapointed. You've lost about a 100 creditibility points for that one.

Let's play inside the lines, not out! ;)

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That 9.39@143 was in a Fox Body with a 340-cubed mod motor...not a 300.

Never thought of you as to be the type to lie Bob. I'm honestly dissapointed. You've lost about a 100 creditibility points for that one.

Let's play inside the lines, not out! ;)

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My friend, you know not what you talk about. Does THIS look like a Fox body Mustang? Did they make Fox body Mustangs in 2000 when this particular car was built? FYI....that pic was taken at the Modular Shootout IV, Cecil County Dragway, July 2002. I was the Race Director. Mike ran his 9.36 that weekend at that race. The motor was a spray bore 4.6, and displaced 305 cid. I have known Mike & John Tymenski for several years (ie...I didn't just look them up on the internet). I'm quite familier with the car in question, but you can read about it at www.modularperformance.com, if you'd like to find some accurate data.

Sounds like your spreading internet myths (lets see how long it takes you to figure out how you screwed up).

I shall not hold my breath waiting for your apology. :bat:

Bob

PS....Another 9.2x, modular, N/A, stick car. Good friend of mine, too - built my championship-winning F/S motor.

Ummm....and no takers on my original challenge? Constantly trying to change the subject? Realize when you're beat?

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My friend, you know not what you talk about. Does THIS look like a Fox body Mustang? Did they make Fox body Mustangs in 2000 when this particular car was built? FYI....that pic was taken at the Modular Shootout IV, Cecil County Dragway, July 2002. I was the Race Director. Mike ran his 9.36 that weekend at that race. The motor was a spray bore 4.6, and displaced 305 cid. I have known Mike & John Tymenski for several years (ie...I didn't just look them up on the internet). I'm quite familier with the car in question, but you can read about it at www.modularperformance.com, if you'd like to find some accurate data.

Sounds like your spreading internet myths (lets see how long it takes you to figure out how you screwed up).

I shall not hold my breath waiting for your apology. :bat:

Bob

PS....Another 9.2x, modular, N/A, stick car. Good friend of mine, too - built my championship-winning F/S motor.

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Come Again?

Only pictures? Where's the vid? What does a photo of a Mustang doing a wheelie do for me? You've got to do better than that.

You've just gave me my first joke of the day to discuss with my tech buddies.

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Come Again?

Only pictures? Where's the vid? What does a photo of a Mustang doing a wheelie do for me? You've got to do better than that.

You've just gave me my first joke of the day to discuss with my tech buddies.

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There's some videos in the Modular Site... but... none of them in the 9's... though...

LOL. That's the best you can do, huh? You've been had, and all you can come back with is "where's the video!"

Lame. But typical for this crowd, I'm afraid (especially the insecure LT1 types).

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There's some videos in the Modular Site... but... none of them in the 9's... though...

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Correct you are. Same car, but those videos are from class racing in Pure Street this year. Limited-modification class racing is a whole different ball of wax, and simply doesn't exist (unfortunately) in the LSx/LTx world.

http://www.kilkare.com/07%20Site/Gra...Head%20One.jpg


see that mustang? nice wheelie. also a nice bbc in it :spit::eek2::fart:

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Ummm....and no takers on my original challenge? Constantly trying to change the subject? Realize when you're beat?

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I ain't got the money to mod another car just to prove a point, I am still trying to pay for that GD 12-bolt!

The stock 96 SS was faster than the stock 96 Cobra. Been tested on many occasions.

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see that mustang? nice wheelie. also a nice bbc in it :spit::eek2::fart:

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That's why the wheelstand is so small. And how many CID did it take for that BBC to accomplish that? Pffft...all it would need is a little 2V 4.6 to look like this:

http://images.mustang50magazine.com/...rd_mustang.jpg

283 cid 2V 4.6. How big was the BBC again? :D

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I ain't got the money to mod another car just to prove a point, I am still trying to pay for that GD 12-bolt!

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But young jedi, I'm not asking you to build or mod anything. We're internet racing here. Go read again (carefully this time), do your search, and report back.

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The stock 96 SS was faster than the stock 96 Cobra. Been tested on many occasions.

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Really? Please provide evidence of side-by-side testing.

Personally, I ran 13.6 @ 104 in my bone stock 98 (no changes from 96-98), and I certainly wasn't the quickest. How did you do in your bone stock LT1 SS?

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LOL. That's the best you can do, huh? You've been had, and all you can come back with is "where's the video!"

Lame. But typical for this crowd, I'm afraid (especially the insecure LT1 types).

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If you think owning an 11-second stock-cammed/Nitrous LT1 makes me feel insecure than float your boat buddy. Not to mention my pride and joy LT4 vette, which is approaching 12 years old and still blue books for about $20 grand. Not to mention i'm over half your age (had to throw the age thing in there ;))

I've owned everything from a '96 Powerdyne-charged Cobra (which ran 13.20s with 6psi) to a '98 LS1 M6 I spanked endless Cobra's with- But i'm an LT1 Die Hard, and will stay that way. My first car was '90 GT with bolt-ons, gears and mid 14-second timeslips. Got tired of getting spanked by completely stock LT's, sold it, and got myself a '94 Z28 M6. Went 13.88@101 completely stock, and never looked backed since. I'll give you an idea of what my life with LT1's has been like so far - my current high 11-second '93 is the slowest one so far. It's intent was to go 11's on the stock cam with nothing but bolt-ons and a friendly portion of nitrous. Welp, did that, and now it's starting to feel slow :)

It's all fun and games bud, no need to criticize. I mean, after all, you are on an LT1/LS1/Lxx... site. I think age is starting to get to you Bob.

P.S. I still don't believe ya bud. Never heard of that car running that time. Prove it. Until otherwise, I reign...;)

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Personally, I ran 13.6 @ 104 in my bone stock 98 (no changes from 96-98), and I certainly wasn't the quickest. How did you do in your bone stock LT1 SS?

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Muscle Car Review went 13.46@106 in a Bone-stock '96 SS M6, while Hot Rod went [email protected] bone-stock. Heck, Car & Driver went 13.6@106 in December of '95, so what does that tell you :) I took my Sebring silver '97 SS to [email protected]. Any Cobra owner from that era that's ever been fortunate (but unfortunate) enough to run into an LT1 SS will tell you how it was in those days...

Here's the link so you can see how your pony cars matched up to the "poor 'ole LT1" :tv:
http://www.cobranet.com/roadtest.htm

Have fun!

P.S. 50 more credits deducted!

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Dang, 200 at the wheels. haha Rustang owners, spend an assload to hit a stock LS1 rwhp mark. :lol:

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Amen man!

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If you think owning an 11-second stock-cammed/Nitrous LT1 makes me feel insecure than float your boat buddy.

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Takes N20 to hit 11s with your LT1? I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of LS1s that did the same....except without the bottle.

Golly...my slow, bolt-on 99 Cobra went 11.60. Without a bottle.

Don't blame you for the insecurity.

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Not to mention my pride and joy LT4 vette, which is approaching 12 years old and still blue books for about $20 grand.

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Uh. Wow? And?

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Not to mention i'm over half your age (had to throw the age thing in there ;))

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Over half? So you've hit 22? Cool!

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I've owned everything from a '96 Powerdyne-charged Cobra (which ran 13.20s with 6psi)

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A pitiful time for anything other than a very mild bolt-on car. And Powerdynes sucked, as you no doubt now know.

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to a '98 LS1 M6 I spanked endless Cobra's with

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Obviously you chose your races carefully.

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But i'm an LT1 Die Hard, and will stay that way.

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We all have our faults.

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My first car was '90 GT with bolt-ons, gears and mid 14-second timeslips.

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That's too bad. My second Mustang (long removed from my first car) with bolt-ons and gears went mid 12s.

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Got tired of getting spanked by completely stock LT's, sold it, and got myself a '94 Z28 M6.

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If I had a 90 GT that was that slow, I'd of sold it too. Or learned to drive it. One or the other.

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Went 13.88@101 completely stock, and never looked backed since.

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Which puts you about 2 tenths in front of my completely stock 88 Coupe (14.07 @ 98). Congratulations. And well behind my 98 Cobra, as mentioned.

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I'll give you an idea of what my life with LT1's has been like so far - my current high 11-second '93 is the slowest one so far. It's intent was to go 11's on the stock cam with nothing but bolt-ons and a friendly portion of nitrous. Welp, did that, and now it's starting to feel slow :)

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Don't blame you....given that you had to add the bottle to do it.

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It's all fun and games bud, no need to criticize. I mean, after all, you are on an LT1/LS1/Lxx... site.

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Says LS1.com up there....guess someone felt bad and added an LT1 Forum though.

Concur on the fun and games though....and am engaging in the same. :D

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I think age is starting to get to you Bob.

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Nah....give it a few more years.

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P.S. I still don't believe ya bud. Never heard of that car running that time. Prove it. Until otherwise, I reign...;)

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Ok. Which car are we talking about? Tymenski's? Did you go to the website I linked?

And if you don't wish to believe...tis fine with me.

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Muscle Car Review went 13.46@106 in a Bone-stock '96 SS M6, while Hot Rod went [email protected] bone-stock. Heck, Car & Driver went 13.6@106 in December of '95, so what does that tell you :)

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That they were capable of mid 13s, bone stock (just like 96-98 Cobras, despite what some mags say).

Nothing new there.

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Bone stock? Prove it. I don't believe you.

Sound familier?

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Any Cobra owner from that era that's ever been fortunate (but unfortunate) enough to run into an LT1 SS will tell you how it was in those days...

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I think I fit that bill pretty well. I don't remember having any problems (those came along with the LS1 hit the street).

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Here's the link so you can see how your pony cars matched up to the "poor 'ole LT1" :tv:
http://www.cobranet.com/roadtest.htm

Have fun!

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Eh....magazine racing. What fun!

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I'll keep racking them up....you keep dodging the original challenge.

Are you going to be Hillary Clinton's running mate?

This is getting good and im started to get lost with who said what. Bottom line is ricers suck, american muscle owns all, foxbodies need mods to get their no weighted cars to move. LT1s and LS1s 5.0s and the 4V 4.6 are great motors. 2v 4.6 kinda suck and can't produce much N/A power unless dumped a lot of $$$ into it. and did I say ricers suck? lets leave it at that

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This is getting good and im started to get lost with who said what. Bottom line is ricers suck, american muscle owns all, foxbodies need mods to get their no weighted cars to move. LT1s and LS1s 5.0s and the 4V 4.6 are great motors. 2v 4.6 kinda suck and can't produce much N/A power unless dumped a lot of $$$ into it. and did I say ricers suck? lets leave it at that

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:sillyme: You are wise beyond your years.

And Bob, well he is old, and wisdom comes with that. He is a stubborn old fart though. haha just kidding Bob

I'm not old. George Burns.....now he's old. But if I was old, it would still be better than the alternative. :D

BTW....a N/A 2V 4.6 went 11.30 @ 119 mph this weekend at Bowling Green NMRA race. Stock ported heads/intake, mild cam, all supporting mods, etc.

Of course....an LS1 or a 4V would be going a full second faster with the same amount of work. :)

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And Bob, well he is old, and wisdom comes with that. He is a stubborn old fart though. haha just kidding Bob

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Agreed 110%. Took up half the page to express his frustrations. I feel sorry for the guy, so i'll leave 'em alone before he has a heart attack. :)

Ah....youngster knows he's been had, so instead of digging a deeper hole, he bows out of a challenge that he knows he cannot win.

Would've been smarter to do earlier, but he'll catch on at some point. :D

You win Bob, Cobras are great in all aspects of motordom. :D

Do you guys really have nothing better to do then go on for 5 pages saying which car is better? They both have their pros and cons and can be badass rides...quit being worried about mustang vs f-body and just go beat up on the imports and have some friendly domestic competition. And to the OP Im glad the boy you raced didnt get an ls1 it would be in a ditch within a week and would be a complete waste..jmo

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Do you guys really have nothing better to do then go on for 5 pages saying which car is better? They both have their pros and cons and can be badass rides...quit being worried about mustang vs f-body and just go beat up on the imports and have some friendly domestic competition. And to the OP Im glad the boy you raced didnt get an ls1 it would be in a ditch within a week and would be a complete waste..jmo

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There we go, listen to what he said friend domestic competetion and beat the shit out of ricers. BTW welcome to the site, lets see some pix

problem is, theres no decently fast ricers around here, and they never try to mess with me. but theres a crapload of gt stangs! and theres 2 03 cobras around here, neither will race me, they just laughed when i asked them if they wanted to.

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Really? Please provide evidence of side-by-side testing.

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Just for the heck of it:
http://www.stangbangers.com/96_Cobra...rd_Article.htm
http://www.stangbangers.com/01_Cobra...SS_Article.htm

Hey, it's magazine racing, but you said "side-by-side testing" :)

Listen, cobras are and can be fast, i havent raced a cobra with just some bolt ons that ive lost too. Now i know bob will post his i ran a 11.6 with a bolt on cobra blah blah blah, but the truth is they are 13 second cars that lack a little top end. I know they are a good challenge, but most with exhaust and a intake or whatever i take by atleast 2 cars. Bob may make some remarks, but the truth is if you go to street racing areas, bolt on ls1s take bolt on pre 03 cobras left and right.:true: