Both are bone stock i have a 99 trans am that went 13.57 on street tires and im an auto... he has a 03 350z 6 speed... any idea what would happen?
Printable View
Both are bone stock i have a 99 trans am that went 13.57 on street tires and im an auto... he has a 03 350z 6 speed... any idea what would happen?
You'd make him wonder why he spent so much money.
thats what i figure... he and his buddies think his car is amazing and it will kill my car... they all got another thing comin
You will destroy him. Simple as that, 350Z's are slow as hell.
From looking at their performance (14+ quarter niles), you'll roast him...
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...9/page004.html
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...3_nissan_350z/
we are plannin on racing at high school drags on may 4. by then i will have drs filter and lid... im not sure what he may have
any body see that corsa road challenge on speed they has a :modified: 350z with a pro driver and it ran like a 14.3 time yeah thats worth 30k
I don't know about where you live, but in south florida I'm paying 2.95 a gallon for premium gas. A 350Z isn't worth my fumes.
You should TOAST him
yea... i agree but this could be the only time he'll race me so im gonna have to put a hurtin on him at least once... premium here is 3.15 i wished i lived in south florida haha either way im gonna race him and most likely a bunch of other ricers that dont know what my car is made of haha
Do the LS1 community proud and kick some ass! :flex:Quote:
Originally Posted by 67camarors
i think they're neat lookin cars. if i wasn't a GM snob, i'd get one.
I agree they do look good, but they don't go as well as they look. Pop a LS2 in one and you'll be good then!Quote:
Originally Posted by third_shift|studios
Could you ask someone to make a video of that race? Would be really interesting. Over here in Germany there are the competitions between the BMW M3s and the 350Z which in most cases the BMW M3s win. (Although the Nissans are turbocharged and the BMWs not) I would also guess you´d beat the Nissan.
I beat a 350z with spray Just read my thread.
my GF has a black 350z...and lets just say I have to let her win
i raced one that had all bolt ons and i was stock... i killed him
Somebody mentioned a ls2 in a 350z huge waste of money now a ls1 in a 96 240sx awesome results i saw a stock ls1 with ls6 intake manifold automatic in 95 240sx run a 12.09 in the quatermile and the motor was stock.
Do you guys ever notice when your on the freeway 350z always wanna race like they think the can beat me top end lol.
I wouldn't be complaining about the 2.95 a gallon for premium in floridia. Out here in SoCal i'm paying 3.45 a gallon for it.
agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!:nana: :nana: :nana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Black Trans-Am
All the import fanboys say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
"V8's take you off the line but they can't hang on the top end yo" :rolleyes:
And then they are all surprised when you go from a highway roll and walk away from them past 100MPH like they are going backwards. Dumbasses.
And as for swapping an LS2 into a 350Z?? Complete waste of a good motor on shitty car.
They really do i once had a guy tell me that since my car makes more torque than HP, he said his 2004 accord v6 v-tec could beat me cause my high end was bad. And since his rpms go higher than mine he could take me top end was his theory. I was so pissed that an accord with just a cold air intake thought he could take me.
Its really sad they way people think these days not only about how fast they think their ricers are but about how slow they think V8s are at top end... I've had soooo many people tell me that they'd get me on the top end... BULL$#!T :growl: These cars have some of the best top end power ever... is it because of the old muscle cars or what... I dont know but its sad what this world is coming to.. kids growing up thinking loud fart cans and wings are cool and make there cars go fastQuote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
Ricers think that because their cars have no low end power or torque and only make what very little power they have in the higher revs, that is must be the opposite for V8's. That we only make power and torque down low, and nothing in the top end. Then they are all surprised when they get their asses handed to them on the highway.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackTA6585
Is that why they think like that because it is soo annoying having some little punk in there little 4 banger or v6 telling me they'd get me in the top end
lol yep thats pretty much how they think it works. My friend has a 2.0 VW GTI with cam, he thinks he "has me on the top end" too because "V8's can't hang on the highway" :rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by blackTA6585
Its funny when you actually race them though, they think they have a chance, and then you just kick their ass by multiple buslenghts.
Well, perhaps they think about 4 valve engines having most of their torque in higher rpm´s than 2 valve engines. But they forget the engine size...
Nobody will actually race me they always have some excuse but they keep talking $h!t
Well its true that DOHC 4V engines tend to have better "top end" than OHV 2V engines, but the GM Gen III LS motors are an exception to the general rule. They make great low and mid range power that pushrod motors are know for, but they also have excellent top end. The LS1 heads flow very well, and the combustion chamber and valve angle are optimal for top end power. The Composite intake manifold and shorty style exhaust manifolds also help a lot with that too, so that the motor doesn't ever run out of breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthias
When people say "OHV V8's have no top end", they are thinking of motors like the 305 from the 80's. All torque, no power. They don't realize that the Gen III V8's are completely different motors.
+1 lol
Yes, that´s true. I have such a 305 TPI which is great in lower and middle range , but on high range it´s quite ... well... ;)
But thank you for the explanation!! I could make some quartermiles on the passenger´s seat of several LS1´s and it´s true, they have engery till into the "red section". (How do you call this upper range?)
The Redline?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthias
There's no replacement for displacement...
Oh, yes... Thank you! The easiest answer is most often the closest one... :)
just beat one today he was real cocky and sai oo I have a little of this and a little of that done to it. I can tell you what there head lights look like in a rear view mirror
I've never raced a 350z but I've beat a G35 pretty bad
350z motors eve heavily modified look like shit all of them even the ones with twin turbo kits keep the stock engine covers makes them look horrible.
Yea i will definatly make sure someone records it.. especially when he tells all his ricer buddies that he could hang with me.. i can just whip out the vid! So if i get drs lid and filter what do u think i will run? i went 13.57 stock on street tires with a 2.12 60'Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthias
I beat a 350z the '04 one (286hp) when I was 330hp stock ls1 TA. They are about 100lbs lighter too. the '06 350z with 300hp at crank are a bit better but still a driver's race stock 350z vs ls1 stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackTA6585
Did you just say its a drivers race stock 350Z vs. stock LS1??Quote:
Originally Posted by djvaly
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Its not even close. The LS1 is 100 times the motor the shitty Nissan "VQ" could ever be. There's about a full second difference between an M6 LS1 and an M6 350Z, stock for stock. A full bolt on LS1 vs. a full bolt on 350Z isn't even worth watching. Huge difference there buddy.
when will they learn that taking grandmoms hand me down is not a race car and can not hang with ls1's simply because they put every aftermarket part that wall-mart sells on it.
Probably the same day they learn STICKERS dont add HP.
Have the ricer cars really died down in the last few years in your areas too or is it just out here. Back in 2000 after fast and the furious came out when i used to drive my GN there was at least one at every stop light with their annoying coffee can exhaust tips. Now it seems like there's maybe a fifth or less driving around town. I see some WRX's and some turbo charged eclipse's around but not a honda accord or civic "tricked" out at every light.
I live in wisconsin they are still everwhere.
I'm in Jersey...Quote:
Originally Posted by sfletch2000
They are still everywhere.
As long as there are still dumb people there will be ricers.
Its died down. I still see import hang outs at one place, but when they are not in bulk, I hardly notice them on the road anymore.
Whats shitty, I dont see modified mustangs out there as much anymore either.
No fooling!!! There just get to be more and more of them up here. I did see a riced 4th Camaro V6 last night. To bad I was driving my wife's car otherwise I would have had to shown him what the f-body is supposed to be. :tap:Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
Most 350Z's around here don't even think about it. I had one try on the highway and I pulled him real bad. I would imagine now that the car sounds nasty not many of them will try.
There is a black one around here that is supposed to have a S/C on it and nitrous. I want to run him to see what it does. I'm guessing it'll pop the manifold off of it if he runs it hard! The guy has at least 20" wheels on it, lowered and all that crap with a killer system in it.
my point of view is... if your going to spend that much money... get a car with some real horsepower stock and make it as badass as you can... my trans am cost 8k and my buddy got his 350z for 21k.... why? haha
im paying 3.59 for the v-power wat kind do you guys run
premium from chevron mostly... its like 3.15 here in washington
why are the fn gas prices so high
i know it sucks balls... especially when im makin 150+ mile a weekend trips a couple times a month
lol dang that does really suck i just drive a couple times a week and its like a 20 miles trip
yea its more like once a month but still... that plus normal driving and racing...thats alot of gas
well look at the way we drive these cars. it does not make for the best gass milage. I have the ws6 a tahoe with a 350 and a silveradoz71 with a 350 you would think i would learn and but myself a little 4 banger for work. but there is nothing like a v-8 and i will pay a bit extra to have them. and needless to say I see all the ricers when i am in mt tahoe of truck, which either of those trucks will out run most of the imports around hear. I figure if they cant beat a 7500lbs 4x4 truk I am not wasting the gas money to run them down in my trans-am
Sorry.... What is a S/C?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Black Trans-Am
super charger i assume
I like how they say oh the gas is goin up because of some other reasons not because its easter weekend anytime a holiday comes up where people may need to drive gas jumps it BULLSHIT.
Quote:
Originally Posted by adam0321
Yes, it is.
I think some inports can be cool if they are not riced out my friend has a 1987 supra mkIII 3.0 with a single turbo he rebuilt the motor replaced the supension the tranny he rebuilt and he got a bigger turbo and rebuilt that aswell he dynoed in at 340rwhp and 330rwtrq and all together he spent 5200 bucks 2400 on the car and the rest on parts. I think his car is fun as hell when we race we are really close i have won and so has he. Plus his targa top is badass.
X2, Since your an Auto theres no way you can lose. Go kill him!:firedevil: :drivin: :firedevil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Black Trans-Am
stock vs stock 350Z '06 (300hp) and TA (345hp)... is a close race. :ughlaugh: of course TA wins not by much. not talking mods or anything else there bud ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
No, it really isn't there buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvaly
See, to start off with, both cars weigh about the same, F-body is slightly more give or take.
The new 350Z (300HP) puts down about 250HP at the wheels. A stock M6 LS1 puts down about 290WHP. Not only that, but the LS1 also has the much more flexible and better overall powerband. Its a V8, the Nissan is a V6. Not to mention the F-Body has a solid rear axle and is already set up for straight line racing, so both drivers being equal the F-Body will get the launch.
I've never had a 350Z run anywhere close to me. On the highway we're talking multiple carlenghts.
Yep.. same here... I think I talked about him earlier.. but douchebag in town with all kinda of stickers on his black one was being an ass.. revving.. and speeding up and slowing ddown next to me... till I finally said fuck it.. and waited till he hit it and so did I... and it was a no-contest match... several car lengths before I baked offf and braked.. then he did the ricer flyby with no look... and that was when I was stock.... wonder what I would do to him now.. :D
they're not as slow as you think. but 2-3 few car length 0-100mi/hr I'm thinking, they are M6 and an A4 stock TA would pull on them by a few cars only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Umm...I beg to differ.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvaly
I've raced plenty of them, and I've seen other cars race them as well. Its a low 14 second car, high 13's if you're lucky. On the highway, and LS1 will rape a 350Z. I've seen Cobalt SS S/C's with an intake hang with 350Z's from a roll, they aren't that fast at all.
Ok guys i just settled it on my lunch break i raced a 2006 350z m6 on my lunch break which was about 2:00pm-3:00pm central time today so about 2and a half hours ago it was pulling off a nissan lot. I work on a large 3 lane street we both came up to the lights and it was a n employee driving he reved so did i, we looked at eachother the light turn green we both hit it. through first gear i got my rear bumper past his front, through second maybe a car through third almost 3 i would say, i stopped at the top of 4th. Right before i let off i looked back and he was about 5 or 6 behind me then he flew by me at 110+ as i was slowing down.
5 cars is like .3sec 1/4mi wise... not too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
It says the 06 runs a 13.8 in the quarter.
'06 they run 13.6 in quarter mate. the '04-'05 run 13.8-13.9
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-350Z-Timeslip-8268.html
When it comes down to that its about the driver .2 or .3 faster, i ran a 13.2 in the quarter mile in my car.
Thats one person's numbers, not the end to end all.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvaly
I've never seen a 350Z run better than 13.8 at the track. And that was with a bunch of mods. They are not fast cars.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sfletch2000
That's probably because they all blew their engines trying to keep up with the LS1's.
I think its cause they realized that there moms lexus and BMWs were faster than there cars, and if your moms taurus wagon is faster than yours, your not all that much of a street racer.
I wouldnt even waste my gas!
you're still talking about the 04-05 350Z, my coworkers '04 350Z did 13.8x at the track last summer. read up on it bud... the new ones are a bit faster they can pull 13.6 stock really unless a shitty driver which it don't matter what car they drive they're still shitty drivers ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
both cars are nearly the same exact weight only his has 287 horse and yours is closer to 350....race him from a highway roll if u really wanna embarass him :D
oh I did already, raced him Nov '05 when I was stock, and he bought his a year before. had 4-5 cars on him by 110mi/hr, again he's M6 I am A4. a guy LS1 M6 that knows how to shift while racing would eat him by another 1-2 cars on top.
^+1Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyjnjz
and why do we always have these versus threads. its all hypothetical and really doesnt mean shit. for an honest answer, maybe we should just race?????
good kill on lunch break btw, but dont sit around analyzing why and by how much you beat him. a kills a kill.
the '99 TA are actually 335hp or 290rwhp... since the LS6 intake manifold and WS6 package ain't there
I've seen some 06 models run as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvaly
I'm just saying that its not common for them to run times that good. Possible, but not common at all. Most will run low 14's or high 13's, depending on driver. Its very difficult to get one to pull a 13.6. Between the independent rear suspension, lack of low end torque, and stock tires, it would be very difficult.
I wish I took him to 140mi/hr, his high end sucks, LS1 high is awesome V8 baby!
perhaps tires make a bunch of .2 difference tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
my next friendly match is between a friend's Supra '94 TT 390rwhp but 440rwhp on race gas, and my 402 ls2 475rwhp. :chuckles: he used to whoop me left and right when I was 360rwhp on ls1 block, now it's my turn ;)
he won't race unless on race gas 110 octane or so... ok I'll own him anyways.
I've raced an 06 350Z and they're quick. I've got a Nearly stock 02 WS6, has an Airlid, MAF Sensor, and a Cat-Back and From 75mph to 135mph I pulled probably 6 Cars on him. Mine is not as fast as it could be with a tune-up so you can take that into effect.
how exactly did you formulate the notion that they were "quick" if you pulled him by 6 cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by KiD WiCKeD
true and you got WS6 package and LS6 intake as stock. not all LS1 are created equal :toetap:Quote:
Originally Posted by KiD WiCKeD
just because they are fast as well doesn't mean they are faster than LS1... :beer: I'd like to see an '06 350Z and a new Mustang stock cars both. it would be a toss up between the better driver I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by secondgearscratch
to me personally anything faster than high 13s as stock car is pretty fast factory car.
Both drivers being equal, the Mustang should win. Its puts more power to the ground, has a hell of a lot more torque, and has a much better powerband overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvaly
I think I agree with that statement.
SO, in conclusion, (stock) 350Z<Mustang GT<LS1.... :bump:
all stock: :beer:Quote:
Originally Posted by jag42420
'05 350Z < '06 350Z < Stang GT < LS1
or
13.9s < 13.7s < 13.5s < 13.3s
:werd:Quote:
Originally Posted by djvaly
OK lock this thread
:lock: time, answers gotten ;)
Ah, so even the new Mustang is not faster than the LS1? Cool! :)