i have a 2000 trans am a4 with 3500 stall, 3.73's, pulleys, exhaust, lid, and lil crap like theromsthat and coolent bypass would that be enough to beat a stock c6 vette? if not what would im not sayin nitrous but bolt on wise
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i have a 2000 trans am a4 with 3500 stall, 3.73's, pulleys, exhaust, lid, and lil crap like theromsthat and coolent bypass would that be enough to beat a stock c6 vette? if not what would im not sayin nitrous but bolt on wise
my friends turbo'd cavaler beat one lol.
Sorry to say I dont think you will come close to beating one of those with your mods. I'd say a cam and a tune w/ some DRs would take one. Those cars come out with 400fwhp and weigh less than our cars.
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Originally Posted by therobman
They arent THAT fast, you should be able to take him or be very close with all the bolt-ons. A cam and youd walk him.
my car completely destroys c6's now with lt headers and ory, gears, free mods, weight reduction and a few bolt ons. My car is an m6. Do you have lt headers, you probably have almost enough if you have headers you should be able to start taking them. i walk c5 zo6's now easily also which are a hair faster than a regular c6 vette.
You also have a bullet proof drive train or so it seems lol. You have said that you launch at 5 grand which is insane id say that gives you a badass advantage on almost any car. I know cant afford it but I wish I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlwnCamaro
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Originally Posted by hutch1999
yea that launch is pretty nasty, I was actually going off the limiter at 6100! My new rear end is a little hurt already though it has a little howl to it but i'm preparing my 9 inch with 4.56 posi with the conversion brackets for the 3 link setup as we speak. Still though I can beat c6's on a roll also, but my car for it's small amount of mods is a little above average but some of that could be accounted for by my 150 pound weight reduction. only reason I can afford it is cause I do all the work on my car in house at my shop Cuccaro Motorsports, including building the rear differential. Don't worry though i'm plagued with the same weak 10 bolt right now as most of yall as i'm on my third one right now. It's just that I have spare gears and posi's so i'm not to worried if I break it, plus I know little tricks to getting those rear ends to hold better. Ultimately though even If the specs are blueprinted and perfect on that little 10 bolt it is possible to flex the housing leaving on slicks and will result in losing the correct gear mesh or unloading the pinion bearing crush collar preload. Good luck to the thread starter on takin down some c6's, the look on the vette owners face is priceless when an fbody totally dominates them, i take pride in suckering in unsuspecting vette owners into racing my camaro! I mean come on the vette is supposed to be faster right is what they were thinkin probably than I blow by them like nothing.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...a8010ace2f.htm
here is me and my wife,,, I am the srt 10 and that is her 05 c6,,,,,but in this vid she was trying different launches,,,,,,,now she is pretty tough , she puts it in competive mode and bumps up the gears "its a automatic"
but since this vid I have did some mods and when i get a good launch , I walk her up to about 90 , then she comes back real hard
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Originally Posted by therobman
A stock C6 automatic runs high 12's with traps a little 110 in the 1/4.
With your mods you should beat one at a stoplight...and be right with it in the 1/4...but the C6 will wave:hi: from a roll or on the highway. They have a bout 350rwhp and weigh 3200lbs.
:bs:You aren't going to walk a C5 Z06 with a good driver with just those mods. They can run high 11's and trap over 115.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlwnCamaro
my next mod plans to be long tube headers and ory + tune so im hopeing to be atleast next to one
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Originally Posted by F&Ybodlover
Are you serious, you really want to try and raise the bs flag on me. What a joke kid. Not only have I beaten a c5 zo6, but i've beaten several of them in several different scenarios. There is more to racing then theoretical horsepower numbers. Now with my new mods it wouldnt even be a fair race with a zo6 against me.
You should be more careful about calling the bs flag on people you don't even know son, I build and race ls1's and camaro's for a living and my car is exceptionally fast for it's mods cause they are chosen carefully and done with the right combinations, it's not about how much money and crap you can throw at a car and huge hp numbers its about having the right combination of parts tuned properly and being able to put that down with right tires and suspension. My car was already running low 12's before my headers, ory and wet 150 shot, no track times yet on new mods but ran good against 10 second camaro the other night. My car also has a 150 pound weight reduction. Watch and see in the kills section trying to get some vids up by tomorrow of me racing against a 10 second supercharged stroker camaro that I built for one of my customers, with me having full lt headers now and on a 150 shot!
Dont make assumptions when you don't know what car or person you are talking to or about, just spare yourself the embarresment because in reality you have no clue how fast my car is or anything about it really except for your non educated preconceived notions about what you think you know about c5 zo6's and my camaro. Besides the theoretical numbers that you are quoting for the c5 zo6 are probably from gm high tech are under ideal conditions at sea level with a pro driver most guys see mid 12's out of those cars at sea level, at altitude people see 13's. Have you ever driven a zo6, how many zo6's have you raced yourself, how many zo6's have you seen run and at how many tracks, how many ls1's have you built yourself and raced for several years, how many zo6's have you worked on and modified yourself, do you own a c5 zo6? These are all questions you should ask yourself before you come on here running your mouth to someone like me and you are quoting theoretical magazine numbers, when in real life you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. No hard feelings but you should think about who you are talking to before you run your mouth. Peace Bro.
With those you should be walking stock c6's no problem man, good luck and happy hunting!Quote:
Originally Posted by therobman
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Originally Posted by BlwnCamaro
Ok...lets think about this for a sec, you said your mods are
lt headers and ory, gears, free mods, 150 lb weight reduction and a few bolt ons.
What rearwheel #'s do you have? I'm guessing right around 350 if you have just a "few" bolt ons. If you have 150lb weight reduction your car weighs what...3300? Lets see an 02-04 Z06 puts down 355-370 rwhp weighs 3150lbs, and has better gearing in the transmission and better aerodynamics than an LS1 Z28.
and yes...I've driven a friends Yellow 03 which he ran to a 12.1 stone stock and testdrove 04 and both were rockets!:zoom:
guys on the Corvette Forum have gotten
Z06 BoneStock Times
1--11.783 @ 116.90--1.818--J-Rod-------'02
2--11.818 @ 117.26--1.783--Ranger------'02 11/03 Slip
3--11.93x @ 119.xx--1.xxx --Esoteric-----'0x
4--11.97x @ 118.80--1.90x--GMHTP------'04 03/04
5--
6--11.99x @ 117.61--1.xxx --02Z06Racer '02
Not saying you driving your car didn't pull on a poorly driven Z...just that I doubt given the mods you listed you can walk a car that can run high 11 sec 1/4's and trap near 120!:dunno:
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Originally Posted by F&Ybodlover
Definitely agree with that.
Jarrod pulled an 11.78 @ 116.90, with just a 1.818 sixty foot? That doesn't sound like like a bone stock '02 ZO6 to me. I mean, the '02 ZO6 cam came with very nice specs, but it certainly doesn't maximize power under the curve, and that's a very impressive time for it. Stranger things have happened, I'm sure, but it most certainly does not sound like a bone stock run....Quote:
Originally Posted by F&Ybodlover
To further clarify my point. I honestly don't know who "Ranger" is, but here he's running another bone stock '02 ZO6 to that of Jarrod, cuts a better sixty foot time than Jarrod, traps a faster speed than Jarrod, and yet, runs a "higher" ET than Jarrod. Something seriously sounds a little wrong there.... :nono:
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Originally Posted by F&Ybodlover
Thats cool bro its all good i've raced and beaten several of them not just one, like I said most zo6's run mid 12's the numbers you are quoting are from very quick above average runs. Either way the z06 is a fast car no doubt i mean it's a fellow gm, it just so happens that my car is pretty fast for its mods. Just because you test drove a couple doesn't mean shit bro it only further solidifies the fact that you don't know what you are talking about just cause you come on here and qoute some above average numbers from a vette forum from guys cars that are probably not bone stock doesn't prove shit. Thats like saying every stock ls1 fbody runs 12.80's, thats an above average run, track, driver and car and conditions, traction air density etc. No most stock fbodies run mid low 13's and most stock c5 zo6's run mid low 12's.
You are still quoting hp numbers and yea my rwhp should be in the 360 range will have official readings soon, but there is more to racing than that my car launches at 6100 and has 60 ft time consistanly in the low 1.6-1.7 range cause of my gears and suspension and tires. But like I said i beat the zo6 on a roll also. I'm not gonna waste the rest of my time trying to convince a thread troll like you about crap. Just keep your eyes posted in these upcoming weeks as I will have several videos posted and proving what i'm saying, that way hating doubters like you that have no clue what they are saying will be automatically silenced and schooled without me having to waste my precious time explaining things. Go call the bs flag on someone like a ricer who's knowledge level is closer to yours and save yourself the embarresment of when everyone sees my car destroying a stock c5 zo6 on video! peace guys happy hunting
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
I know there are lots of guys out there that like to claim they are stock and have a few tricks, either way there has been stock c5 zo6's that have seen high 11.9's but thats rare like I said above average. This guy trying to post these slips from another forum doesn't mean or prove crap. I'll have a vid up that will settle this trust and believe my friends!
how could you be so presumptious as to agree with him when you are not fully aware of how my car runs. Save yourself digging a grave also when I post videos soon. To yalls credit as I have stated earlier already and i'll say it again my car is fast for its mod levels, perhaps faster than average fbody, but it's because it is done right and set up properly, just like any other fbody or vette could be done just the same. Either way it might be safer on yalls side to not be so presumptious about what you think you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
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Originally Posted by BlwnCamaro
I say that because 2 of my friends have Z06s and a couple friends have LS1s, 2 of which are cammed. My friend's FULL bolt-on cammed Z28 BARELY edges out my buddies 02 Z06 from a roll which has just catback and K&N. If he didnt have the cam there is no way in hell he would pull it. Just like the other guy said, just doesnt make sense when a car with same if not less power is beating the one thats lighter, more aerodynamic and better geared.
Also, you posting up some videos would definitely help, but just street racing for a while around here, no un-cammed LS1 will touch a stock Z06 from a roll. From the line w/stall, tires, etc, thats a different story, but a roll is Z06 territory.
factory freak?
But that was exactly my point though. The comparison's that were presented seemed a bit far-fetched for bone stock. I've seen stock C5-ZO6's touching the 11's in the quarter mile (that's very common), but this is with extremely good drivers, with very sticky tires....Quote:
Originally Posted by BlwnCamaro
Bone stock is not meant to include "slicks", because a solid launch, as well as an excellent sixty foot, can mean as much as a half of second to an experienced driver(s). Yes, I believe that Jarrod ran that time that was quoted, but no, I don't believe he was "bone stock"....
This was my only argument.... :)
As for racing them from a roll, ZO6's are highway monsters. Although they employ pretty much the same engine configuration as F-Body's (or at least, a modded F-Body), it's their gearing, as well as where their body weight is being concentrated on it's frame, in which gives them the advantage....
Look f&ybodlover tried to call the bs flag on me and i'm tryingQuote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
to explain to you guys that i work on and build these cars for a living at my own shop. I've modified driven and raced the fbodies and vettes hundreds of times and raced in many different scenarios and situations, you guys don't know squat just cause you have a few buddies with a vette or camaro! If your friends camaro can barely outrun a stock c5 z06 with full bolt ons and a cam thats embarrasing, either he must have a bad tune or the wrong cam cause with a cam and bolt on camaro you can go deep 11's and even 10's with the right setup under the car. Not only can I beat zo6's now but I was beating them before my long tube headers and ory and 150 shot. I was already running low 12's on the stock cats and manifolds for your info. I hav'nt even tested my car at track yet with lt's and the juice.
As a matter of fact I just handed a black 02 zo6 its ass on a roll on street tires with my new headers not even a couple weeks ago. I'm gonna get my buddy to bring out his stock z06 to run on video and you guys will see what im' talking about. i've already destroyed him a couple times before, I mean really do you guys think i have the time to make up fake stories about beating zo6's on the internet! i mean really I just tell it how it is but there are always gonna be those haters that were born scared and can't handle the truth! No hard feelings guys i like a good conversation but that one kid tried to call bs on me unjustified. Peace
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Exactly! And as far as the roll race is concerned i'll post videos of roll and dig races with zo6, the dig race againsnt my car is a slaughter, launching of the limiter at 6100. Be patient guys cause it will take me a bit to get them posted but they will be there and it will be some sick races and settle this dispute clearly and concisely, so keep heads up and they will be there posted. Peace
Jesse
yea and all kinds of people cried when i said i was beating stock evo 9's in the quarter from a dig when my car was bone stock on street tires around here even until i repeated my performance and shut the critics up. I would catch them in 3rd gear and blow their doors off. But whole nother story that is, either way same principal people think things can't be done or they know what a race will yield just by bench racing on the computer and assuming they know what they are talking about when in reality they don't.
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Originally Posted by BlwnCamaro
Those guys are pretty credible over there...I doubt they are all lying about being stock.:rolleyes:
But yes those times are above average...but that doesn't mean that the cars themselves aren't capable of running them. An if you go back I put the bs flag on you because of the few mods you listed and it it seems unlikely you would be faster than one with a good driver....not because I thought you were lying.
Are these all your mods?
Long tube headers
off road Y
catback
free mods
lid/K&N
4.10 gears
electric water pump
crank pulley
150lb weight reduction.
If not please list them for us...I would like to know for my WS6.
btw...thanks for the compliment about my age.;)
Sounds like fun! Hell Blwn, I'm not calling BS on you, but I'd be glad to run you if you were closer. Later. :)
With the nitrous....yeah. No problem.
Without it, must have been up against some seriously TERRIBLE drivers.
I was getting beat by stock C5Z06's when I was cammed. Some of that was my set-up wasn't drag ready. Did decent on the highway though. Got beat either way.
I just can't see a bolt-on LS1 F-Body taking down a stock C5Z06 from a roll.
At the track...traction is key. Could be a different story there.
I make 150 more RWHP than my friends exhaust 2002 C5Z06 and I am only about 1.3 seconds faster and 10MPH faster down the strip.
To take down a C6??
Roughly....bolt-ons and cam. :yup:
You need roughly 375 RWHP to stay even with a decent driver. Per weight.
Thats cool bro i'll try to get vids as soon as I can so people can see what i'm talkin about. Would save a lot of trouble and explaining on here thats for sure!:) But wow hows the c6 zo6 treating you, those cars seem like they are just nasty right out of the box! I'd have to use my 150 shot for shure against you just to make it a good run!Quote:
Originally Posted by C6 Z06
Peace guys
Jesse
It's all good man no hard feelings!Quote:
Originally Posted by F&Ybodlover
Right now I have hedman torque step 1 5/8 to 1 3/4 full long tube headers, off road 3inch y, cherry bomb extreme chambered muffler, free ram air, desreened maf, tb coolant bypass, 3.73 gears, wahlbro 255lph fuel pump, ngk tr6 plugs, taylor 8mm wires, phoenix 26x8 slicks and skinnies in front, hotchkis rear suspension, deleted egr, cats, rear seats, front sway bar, rear mount muffler and pipes, spare and jack which equals over 150 pound weight reduction more with skinnies on, mti lid, smooth bellows, cuccaro motorsports hand ported polished tb, built tremec t-56, zo6 clutch, poly trans mount, k&n filter, nx iceman 150 wet shot, pro 5.0 shifter.
Oh sorry man age wasn't posted earlier!
fwhp means front wheel hp....just quoting "hp" works..Quote:
Originally Posted by hutch1999
I see it as flywheel horsepower on a board pertaining to rear wheel drive cars. :typer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuuuce
Oh with me on the jug it would be a kill for sure, but im talkin all motor. Yea I wonder bout there drivin too but when I won on a roll it was a fair 2nd gear roll with a good 3 honk start and I was already pulling before the 3rd shift, which kinda eliminates the driver error cause I was already pulling in second, now from a dig thats a different story cause my 60 foot is pretty nasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Luos
Yea shane the owner of rio yamaha down here has a brand new regular c6 with a 6spd and im tryin to coax him into a race on video soon. he said he was down but wanted to know if I was suckering him into racing a totally modded out camaro cause he raced me before in his old c5 when I was stock, but I told him the bolt ons that I had and he said he'd race me all motor so it should be on soon! We will all get a chance to see the results!
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