Full bolt ons, slicks, aggressive tune, back seats/spare tire/tools out.
10.97@124mph
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Full bolt ons, slicks, aggressive tune, back seats/spare tire/tools out.
10.97@124mph
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Dang it.... guess it's time to open the wallet and dig in deep again.
Time for a 100 shot
or try full bolt-ons, slicks, aggressive tune, and rear seat, spare tire, tools out.
Never mind!
no body has ever done this! oh wait... people have with fbodys years ago... dang.
yup. should read "non street legal n\a 5.0 runs 10's"Quote:
Originally Posted by az gt eater
Why is it not street legal? The slicks? Throw a set of M/T DRs on it and I don't see why you couldn't drive it on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
This car might get close to single digits with the 100 shot. There are already guys doing easy 10s on the 100 shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by wooddaniel
I dont believe it has just bolt ons. They are the same company that claimed the fastest times with gt500 but they didnt tell people the blower was ported.
Still an impressive car.
The 2011 mustang is impressive I will give it that. These are the same guys claiming they went 11.98 with just slicks. These things are the low 13s stock with good drivers just like the LS1 was 13 years ago. There is no way you can bolt on slicks and hit 11s then throw on some bolt ons and do 10s, well maybe if the spare tire, seat and tools weigh 1500lbs. Remember they do have performance parts and services to sell. I will believe it when I see a reputable test from a somebody with nothing to gain. Way to go Ford it only took you 13 years to get here! Now GM please shave some weight off the 2010 pig of a camaro you gave us for 2011!!
Our 2011 5.0 went a 12.70 out of the box on a 90 degree day.
The 2011 Mustang GT is NOT a 13 seconds car by any means. MotorTrend did a [email protected] bone stock. There are several people that have gone easy low 12s with a pair of drag radials. The previous year's Mustang GT did 13s with 100 less horsepower.Quote:
Originally Posted by rc74racer
I will tell you what did go 13s: 2010 Camaro SS and 2010 Challenger SRT8
many new camaros run in the 12's. they're a 12 second car just like the new mustang. but they both have to be driven properly to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
It's been done before.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKAo7FRk-Ro&feature=related[/ame]
ok I can believe a high 12 stock just haven't seen one but i'm not buying high 10s with bolt ons. Like I said impressive car ford finally got their act together with the mustang. I like the look too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
a co-worker of mine was telling me a v6 hyundai genesis coupe was faster than a new 2011 mustang gt 5.0.we argued for about 45 minutes!
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Hyundai Genesis 3.8 is not even close. They run a 14.0Quote:
Originally Posted by 02transamce
Last years mustang did run 14s if we are going by motor trend, ford had a reason to be embarrassed.
Why not? People have run 11s with bolt on 2010 camaros with slicks aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by rc74racer
Mod List
Zex 125hp
Strange rear w/4.56 gears
Metco suspension
Eibach shoks/struts and drag launch kit
Kirkey Drivers Seat
Bogart 15" Wheels (Front and Rear)
Mickey Thompson tires 28x10.5 slick
Custom Bassani x-pipe and Bassani 2.5" race mufflers.
Stock tune, Airbox and Converters
What about this one........[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzwU1q4pkoo[/ame]
I have yet to see one of those either but we are not talking 11s we are talking high 10s. Plus no telling what kind of tweaks are being done by these performance shops. Show me an average joe who has walked into a ford or chevy dealer walked out with a new GT or SS bolted up some slicks and hit 11s or put on bolt ons then hit 10s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013Quote:
Originally Posted by rc74racer
Two average joes right here, 11.83 and 11.71 with just bolt ons and drag radials. These are stock weight 3800lbs cars with stock gearing.
That mustang that ran 10s was gutted and or sprayed. Now imagine a 3100lbs mustang with 4.56 gears. 700lbs less .7 off is the rule of thumb and with better gearing. I mean that old d-bag blkcloud went a 11.6 with drag radials and an 11.2(or something close to that with slicks) with a simular setup but in a 4.6 DOHC with 310ishwhp, this new 5.0 mustang with bolt ons is making 100more whp so 10s is possible. Not to mention Cam only F-bodys have run 10s, 400ishwhp and setup to hook. A bolt on 5.0 is making 400ishwhp and this shop set it up to hook.
It actually says non-stock gears plus a tune and who knows how streetable those tunes are plus again these are 11s with bolt ons not 10s. I can believe a high 11 not a high 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
I believe that mustang is gutted and cammed not sprayed. Either way it is not a showroom car with bolt ons, tune and slicks running 10s as the post would have us believe. I've said more than once the new mustang is impressive but I"m not buying this BS that a set of slicks gets you into the 11s and bolt ons in the 10s.
Bolt ons and slicks will get you into the 11s. Bolts ons, slicks, gutted, some suspension work and 4.56 gears will get you into the tens. I'm not sure why you think the first post leads us to believe its a showroom car. It even says the back seat is out. Slicks with everything else bone stock would get you low low 12s i bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by rc74racer
well on the first video it doesnt say anything about being cammed. Is it me or does it sound cammed to any one else?
LOL. This old "D-bag" says non of this hyper-speculation means much of anything, and is mostly just a bunch of hating denial. Nobody knows what was done to the car except those that did it. Evolution is doing these "build-ups" or whatever you wish to call them for 5.0 Mustang Magazine, and details won't be released until the magazine comes out - supposed to be the August issue. Even then, those that wish to stick their head in the sand will find something to not believe. Those that wish to find an axe to grind will find something to grind that axe on. And so it goes....
Until then, the car will be called bone-stock with a few bolt-ons and slicks to gutted with a 200 shot, heads/cam, and who knows what all.
But it is entertaining to read. :)
Oh....one other thing...with a 28" tire, any gear beyond 3.73s will force a shift into 5th at those kinds of speeds. Now 5th in the MT82 is the 1:1 gear, and I do know of at least one shop car that utilized that gear and thus used 5th gear too, but I wouldn't automatically assume that low of a gear is what is in this car. The tranny gearing is quite aggressive (3.66 1st gear, for example), making steep rear gears not as necessary as earlier transmissions.
I'm told, but can't confirm, that you can powershift 5th gear, so if you're quick on the gear changes, that may be the ticket, as using 5 gears allows you to take advantage of more torque multiplication throughout the run.
Another "one other thing".....raising the rev limiter on these motors by ~500 rpm really wakes them up, as the peak power (6600 rpm) is too close to the stock limiter (6850 rpm) to make the best use of the engines powerband.
^^^^^^good info. I also realized that that new m6 isnt a double overdrive like our t56's
That is correct. Here are the gear ratios for the MT82:
1st 3.66
2nd 2.43
3rd 1.69
4th 1.32
5th 1.00
6th 0.65
3.31 rear gears are standard, 3.55 and 3.73s are a $395 option.
you can powershift every gear on it
Umm... no.Quote:
Originally Posted by 95camaroZNC
It ran a [email protected]
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ior_specs.html
That Mustang is not cammed. It's a DOHC motor so you would need 4 cams. Since I don't think there are any out on the market yet, you would have to regrind your own. The car is still too new and there is little aftermarket R&D on the motor yet. The car definitely has weight reduction, possibly more than what they said.Quote:
Originally Posted by rc74racer
Still, 10s is not impossible. The car is making well over 400hp to the wheels, it has slicks, a good driver, and weight reduction.
Put full bolt ons on a healthy LS1, with an aggressive tune, slicks, a good driver, and weight reduction and I guarantee the car will get into the 11s with traction.
Power, traction, and driver skill - you have these things and a car will go fast.
"They" haven't said how much weight was removed from the car - all we have so far is internet speculation. My *guess* is ~300 lbs. With a 150 lbs driver, that would be a potential race weight of ~3400 lbs. My 99 went 11.43 @ 117 mph on DRs with 355 RWHP at 3340 lbs (that was in Kansas City in June - hardly optimum conditions). This car was likely making in excess of 420 RWHP. Do the math.
I don't see the issue with the peformance numbers.
the car isn't new at all. just the engine and trans. there is piles of suspension and differential parts out for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
And noone is arguing the fact it has suspension and drivetrain mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Huh?
No tune? That bs. You add on a 125shot and dont add fuel? right
Not BS - they used a wet system. I assume you know what that is?
That car belongs to Justin Burcham of JPC Performance in Maryland. They literally picked up the car on a Tuesday afternoon, did the mods listed above that evening (its a shop - they have the people and resources to do it), and went to the track the next day with the sole purpose of beating Evolution Performance into the 10s (which they did by a few hours).
whats impressive is an n\a ford modular running 10's.. not the timeline in which they did . these people have years of experience with these cars and all the means at hand.
it's like an ls1 based performance shop taking a stock fbody and running 10's with it the next day. it's not that impressive, they have the resources.
Just cuz its DOHC doesnt mean its cammed u can clearly hear the lope on that car they ARE a performance shop so that doesnt mean they dont have machinst there. Im not trying to argue anything yea its impressive that a ford can finally do that N/A but i wouldnt think that it was just bolt ons and a tune i would say maybe a 100 shot and ya it would get there. Still a nice car dont get me wrong but i say something else is done to it.
How many "cammed" 4V 5.0s have you ever heard? There is virtually no idling in that video, which is the only way you're going to hear a "lope". While we don't know for sure what is or is not done to the engine, you're simply looking for a reason to not believe it. Knock yourself out.
Also...unrelated...they made 3 shifts, and thus only used 4 gears on that 10.97 pass. By doing a little math, the car likely has 3.73 gears, and certainly does not have 4.10s or greater (would force a shift into 5th).
Regardless of whats been done they are good running cars without question. I'm surprised at how well my neighbors new stang runs, they are stout cars for sure.
No side mirrors or mufflers? Yeah not exactly streetable....great times nonetheless. I'd venture there's hundreds of pounds taken out.
Taking off the mirrors is something I certainly wouldn't do. Then again, its a brand new combination, and when you want to run a number, I guess you do what you have to do.
I still think somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 lbs worth of weight reduction is probably about right - thought that is admittedly nothing more than a guess (or internet speculation, to use my own words). How would they get there? Biggest single reduction was likely wheels/tires...60 lbs, maybe more? Removing the passenger seat probably 45-ish, and rear seat around 40. Catback - I don't know...30 lbs? Front sway bar, perhaps 25 lbs. Mirrors? 10, maybe, LOL. But who knows what else or what all. We all have to wait for the silly magazine to come out.
For reference, the quickest cars on LS1Tech's "Stock Internal" list all have very massive weight reduction - one under 2900 lb race weight (which includes driver).
MM+FF ran a 12.35@112 with drag radials. I saw it today in there magazine,but cant find it online.
Yeah I'm actually a bit suprised they'd go to those lengths w/ a car that's brand spanking new! I understand wanting to put up impressive #'s but come on....that's borderline absurd w/ a $35k car IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD
Reading comprehension. I was referring to the motor.Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
When it's a shop project.... why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johns00Z28
I've seen brand new C6 Zo6s and GTRs get the same treatment in the quest for performance.
Doesn't sound all that strange to me. I've seen it carried to extremes in some of the stuff I was involved in.
There are so many tricky ways to save weight without people even knowing it,,,,that stuff listed doesn't even touch the surface.
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Originally Posted by Superluminal
goes for you too. you said the car is too new. you mentioned the car and the engine as being to new, and you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
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Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD
i thot u could only hear a lope at redline............... no crap at idle thats what i heard. as a matter of fact twice and it sounds like a nasty cam o well not gonna argue. it is a nice car definately would be one of the only fords i would drive
LOL. Where in that video is the car idling for more than perhaps a fraction of a second? My guess is that you're mistaking the rev limiter at launch for a nasty cam. Also, "nasty" cams on 4V motors are an extreme rarity - not because nobody uses them, but rather because big duration just isn't needed.
You could be here all day educating people on Modular cam specs lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD
i know what a rev limiter sounds like its before he is staging and then he floors it and launches. I know that it does sound big i have never heard a DOHC lope that hard just thought it was different im not going to argue with you if i hear a cam or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD
Don't play stupid with me. You know full well I was talking about the motor. I know the 5th generation Mustang has been around since 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
Rev limiter? Are you referring to the 2-step? It's not cammed, end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by 02sunsetorangeZ
This thread is great. Some guys make it sound like the new Mustangs are going to come to our house and light our F Boadies on fire.
Bottom line is, when you have cars as mathmatically close as the Fbody's and NEW Mustangs, you can wrench all day long and get differant numbers from each. Go to a differant track, get a car built on Friday...it will change the numbers again. I'm going to walk in to a dealership and buy the car I want rather than the faster one, even if the "pig" of a Camaro is a bit slower. It's a much nicer looking car.
I'm completely with you.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKid
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKid
This is the 10th,11th,15th thread about the 2011 stang. Several of us have said we would buy the car we want and not just the fast one. This happend some when the 03/04 Cobras came out. Again I agree I am going to buy the car I want period.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKid
No way! You mean you're not going to buy the car that I would want you to buy? :sillyme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
Oh the humanity!!!
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I agree. There seems to be alot of people here that shun a car because it's not fast enough. I for one don't care about that. I prefer looks and style first,,,the speed can come later. You can make any car fast easy enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
For those reasons I'd still prefer the Challenger if I were looking for a new car. I'll admit, I'm a nostalgia person and just love the classic lines.
I don't really care if it's the slowest of the big 3.
I'd pimp it, but I wouldn't buy it (my wife is). Kudos to Ford for sure but I still prefer the LS architecture over all the DOHC stuff.
well don't write misleading comments like that :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
Just ran a 9.9x@137.............<a href="http:/...outube.com</a>/watch?v=iZopOJ4Bd88
http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...37-mph-484572/