just wondering what would be fastera 2010 mustang or a 1998 trans am
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just wondering what would be fastera 2010 mustang or a 1998 trans am
The trans am is faster, the mustangs put around 300 at the flywheel, while LS1s have around 350 at the flywheel, but a lot of the time its a drivers race between the two cars. Equal drivers = ls1 winsQuote:
Originally Posted by purplebat66
If you read road and track they are still mid 13's now the 2011 with the 5.0 well that might be different.
A well kept trans am(or lightly modded) should win, but if both are stock, i think it might be a drivers race. Due to the trans am being 12 years older.
LOL I love the fact our cars still hold their own this many years later
The Trans am basically stock would be more than enough for the Mustang.
I dont think the mustangs ever will beat a TA:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by purplebat66
03/04 Cobra ring a bell to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by feet739
Read my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS
Those are in a league of their own IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS
+1 Not only the Terminators, but the 2011 GT 5.0's will have 412 at the crank and similar weight from what I can tell. They will probably be the first GT models to put out more HP than our LS1's. It will probably be for the most part still be a driver's race stock for stock, but the new 5.0's will have the advantageQuote:
Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS
For real....those damn Terminators were the first and only car (that I've raced, cause I know there are plenty of faster cars out there than me) to hand my ass a loss....felt good at least losing to a muscle car but not at the same time cause it was a Mustang hahaha....and I beat a Cobra before cause I'm definitely not stock, but it wasn't a Terminator Cobra like this guy's was....oh well
Just means it's time to mod it up some more =D
Birds still hold their own.
But if you're talking about a '98/99 A4 2.73 Trans Am, I don't think they would win against a manual 2010 Mustang.
This might be true, the 2010 stang with 315hp is teh same weight as a T/A but with better gearing. They do have a option for 3.55 gearing and combined with the t3650 makes for some good launching. Both cars are mid 13 second cars on average so i would think drivers race if both are bone stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000LS1Bird
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Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS
I agree....the will whip an LS1's ass, but that comes down to the difference in and LS1, and a forged, blown, 32v small block, lol....not exactly fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by TempleU_WS6
Thats almost like saying what will win, a stock 95 viper, or a ZR1. same league, but at the same time, not
OH and to the OP, I think the TA will get it, from what ive seen, the 2010's have a decent chunk of power, but the suspension sucks, they cant put it down
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Originally Posted by BirdCountry02
I don't think LS1 vs new 5.0 is a drivers race. The LS1, as much as I hate to say it, will get slaughtered by the new 5.0 unless the 5.0 driver is completely retarded. 410 at the crank weighing in at 3500-3600lbs? Yea, LS1 is destroyed.
Not really, you cant say its not fair that ford gave the car 32valves, forged internals and a blower, you should say damn you GM for not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikito
And your comparing a 95 viper to a 2009 zr1 and a 1998-2002 f-body to a 2003 cobra?
14 years of difference compared to 1-5 years of difference? 2002 trans am is almost the exact same car as a 1998.
And the last comment was a gt500 reference. They are the stang with good power but cant hook for shit.
I would be interested in seeing a newer T/A (2000 or later) against a new 5.0. Can't wait to see them on the street, I love my LS's and won't be getting rid of either of them but my first new car was a 5.0 Mustang. I hope Ford sells every one they make.
Scott
i dont think the actual weight numbers are out yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Aetos
Ok I think it just comes down to this. If you're worried about getting beat by a mustang then MOD YOUR DAMN LS1. These cars have been out since '98 so if you are looking to race then you've had more than enough time to mod the hell out of it if you're worried about loosing to anything really.
I have a D1SC procharger going in this spring. Whats your excuse?
The pento always wins, oh wait nm were talking about mustangs haha, boy I cant wait to get home get everything done to my car and run into a termi. If the all motor doesnt get him the spray will!!!
Lol, whats your excuse? How about im paying down on my house instead of buying a S/C? How about paying for a year of college. There are tons of REASONS not to buy a supercharger and only 1 to buy one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TempleU_WS6
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...g_GT_Specs.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
Sorry, I was a bit off on weight, but those are just estimations. it was officially announced that the block itself weights only 10lbs more than the 4.6 that's leaving. The car will have a weight increase, but not so much to make an ls1 even with it. Face it guys, ford finally manufactured a mustang(non-cobra) that will kill the ls1(stock for stock), albeit the ls1 is approximately 12 years older than it.
to cold to install right now I would guess, and for the college thing boy im glad I joined the army haha. And I have 2 tours to go before I get full benefits for my post 9/11 GI Bill lol, could be worse tho!!! ok time for a smart a** comment, well oh yea why are you spending money on college when you can spend it on your car who needs college anyways with this economy it wont do nothing but make you look like a broke azz smart person haha!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
Depends on what you do, in this economy there are soo many people out of work becasue soo many people can do the same job, waiting line upon waiting line. You go to school get a job that requires you to do so and your job security is much much greater. I didnt go to college but i have friends who did and make me wish i did. 23 year olds making 80-100k a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluehawk2000
the new stang should take even a good ls1--- and if it does it'll probably take the new camaro too. but rwhp numbers remain to be seen yet, and at approx 3700 pounds who knows how it'll run? probably have a mag time of 13 flat is my guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Aetos
i cant wait to run one :)
thinks to himself:
*heads, LTs, F.A.S.T. 92/TB*
Exactly dude!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cammed goat
I'm just saying that these cars can hold their own after 11 years. Theres only a pant load of potential on top of that if you can afford it.
Yeah, the GT500 reviews made me cringe, esp the one video i saw that showed it wheel hopping like a mother. And I wouldnt assume the GT would be any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
I was just saying older technology vs newer technology. 95 viper is still a 450 hp beast, but its not quite as refined as the ZR1
Oh and the GT500KR can't hook either. Sh1tty tires FTL.
If I were a betting man...I would probably put my money on the newer of the two...at least in this situation.
Both cars are new?? LS1 car likely wins.
quoted from Waldo:
T/A's beat everything on the road, we all know that. why are these questions even asked? I don't get it. perhaps a better question would be what if a T/A raced the space shuttle to earths outer most atmosphere which would win?
A: the T/A, cuz they are the fastest thing in the galaxy
Nuff Said...
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Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS
its all about stock vr stock stock ls1 v stock mustang ls1 wins
cobra is a stock mustang.... :coffee::coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkgoblin49
getting tired of copypasting this
2010 stock GT: 315hp 3533lbs
1998-2002 Z28 mild mods(if any) 350hp <3500lbs
torque aside (which the camaro obviously has more of with 1.1 more liters) we still win hp:weight ratios, unless hes small and your a fat ass
and cobras are not mustangs
Yea, an LS1 will usually take an s197(05+ mustangs)Quote:
Originally Posted by justinmc978
Although, this will change with the 2011 mustang... were gonna be on the chasing end when those come out :cry2::cry2:
Also, I would consider the cobra a mustang, but I'm sure a lot of people will argue on this. :screwy:
A cobra is a mustang, anyone who would argue that is a fool. A cobra was a mustang offered by ford. Its a mustang cobra thats it, end of story. No if ands or butsQuote:
Originally Posted by Aetos
Ford owns SVT, SVT is the performance division, a SVT focus is still a focus, a SVT raptor is still badged ford f-150 SVT raptor
Stock for stock, an LS1 gets CRUSHED by a stock Cobra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aetos
Cobras are mustangs :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by justinmc978
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
I know it does..Quote:
Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS
What I meant to say by "Cobras are stock mustangs" is that a cobra is a mustang :eek2:
I wanted a terminator when looking for my ls1 but they were out of my price range... :cry2::cry2:
I see what you meant now, I wouldn't mind owning an 03/04 Cobra either, one of the best cars Ford ever built IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aetos
I want a Vette worse though, or I would be going after a Cobra :cool2:
I want a vette aswell but with a 2 year old i neeeeeeeddddd a back seat, so i would have to pick cobra for the next 6 years until she can ride up front lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS
Idk know about the new 5.0. It's gotta be better than this damn 4.6 they love and behold now. The thing is, Ford is all big talk before it's released. After the release, the car sold to the public isn't what everyone expected. The 14 year 4.6 modular tenure has seen major improvement but I think the new 5.0 will be a "new start" for a familiar name. That's all. I'll even go as far saying, the 2011 mustang GT will only produce 350hp/tq stock. Then they'll make Cobra in 2012 pushing 600 hp supercharged.
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Originally Posted by navyLS1
Its gonna be a lot more than 350hp/tq, estimates are around the 400 right now, and Ford has learned from past experience not to bullshit about power figures. They do have a lot of experience with modular(14 as you say), that's why they're sticking with the modular design. The 5.0 is a bored out 4.6 modular. So, they do have a lot of experience with it. This is also the first mustang in awhile that will be tuned from the factory for premium fuel, the past models requires 87 octane.