I have a completely stock transam with 70000 miles should i get a supercharger or a turbo and what kind also how much boost can i run without blowing anything up.
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I have a completely stock transam with 70000 miles should i get a supercharger or a turbo and what kind also how much boost can i run without blowing anything up.
Both are great... budget?
No wrong answer here. Like above said, both work well. Each person has their own preference. Mine is Procharger D1SC. On a stock bottom end you can run 8psi of boost and make close to 500whp. Turbos will make more power in general because they use less power to create power.
If you get a turbo, get a front mount IMO. Also, either way, get intercoolers.
Good luck. Both are pricey, but fun as hell.
I like both, Procharger has made huge advancements in superchargers and have got pretty close to turbo power but turbos still make more due to they use engine waste(exhaust) to make power. I would think a supercharger would be a bit more simple to install. I have built some turbo setups and they kinda suck, but then again ive never installed a super.
yeah the supercharger kits are getting very very good. Procharger kits are much easier to install than pretty much any turbo. And they make great power. But turbo kits are badass and you usually ending up spending more on them (but making more power also)
Im doing a D1SC when i can get my hands on a good used kit.
and most people say 8psi is max on our motors.. which is true but ive seen basically stock bottom end (ARP rod bolts) cars put down over 600whp for a good amount of time before anything happened, and it was usually user error on why something happened
will the procharger blow out a stock rear end and transmission
A N/A car will blow out a stock rear end and transmission. It's not a question of if, it's more when.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipes_ta
Procharger FTW- cause of ease of installation.. even stock power can take out a stock rear, A4 trans wont last even with stock power, M6 can hold it's own, i have a 2002 Z28 with a Pro D1-SC pushing 8 psi and im making 460hp- bone stock internals runs great
installed at 100K BTW and now has 115K still going strong
Really depends on your budget and what you want to do with the car. Turbo will make considerably more power but I expect a centri blower will end up being slightly cheaper. The important thing is NOT to skimp on what your doing. That will cost you more in the long run!
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Originally Posted by pipes_ta
Either direction you go....FI is the best money spent on hp gains yet keeping great street/normal driving manners. But lets face it, any stock motor isn't going to take the abuse over time. Your motor and drivetrain will handle it fine for quite a long time (as long as boost is kept to around 8 psi) but the rings will begin to fail sooner than they were designed to. Same goes for all other components. But once you get the feel of all that power...you'll want to forge your motor and build it for handling alot more boost. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by pipes_ta
So don't let the worry of your current motor mileage stop you from living the dream. Just go for it and you'll enjoy it right from the get go. :thumbup:
So don't let the worry of your current motor mileage stop you from living the dream. Just go for it and you'll enjoy it right from the get go. :thumbup:[/QUOTE]
+1 thats what i did and no regrets!!
You guys are getting me excited. I am hoping to get my D1SC installed in 2010. :devil:
.....and why not an F1a??? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
can you run 8 psi on an internally stock ls1 with pump gas?
yup you can run pump gas for awhile on a stock ls1 with some fuel upgrades. i mean you really never have to get off pump gas.. you dont HAVE to switch to race gas at any point, it may limit your power to some degree but add meth injection and its good for a lot more. but meth is a whole other debatable topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
Might go that route after I blow up the LS1 lol. Until then....Quote:
Originally Posted by ntimid8r
supercharger all the way... got to do the rear end, and suspen. work...
my stock A4 trans is fine,but my rear end and posi gone.
MTI clear lid ,Kook 1 7/8 LT header, Kook Y pipe Magnaflow cat back, BMR sub frame connector, trans cooler, 160 thermostat, DMH electric cut out, Comp Cam 230 234 115 lsa .60lb injectors, Magnacharger supercharged with water methanol injection, HP tuner. Tune by Matt at TTP Performance Little Fall NJ 530 RwHP-531 RWTQ.
2001 WS6 Transam convertible
I've been researching Forced Induction for a while now. What you choose should be based on what you want in terms of power delivery. When and how the power comes on has everything to do with which type of FI you choose.
In general it goes something like this:
Possitive displacement SC's (think Magnacharger, Kenne Bell, Whipple ect.) make instant torque, and cary uniform power to redline. This is good for lots of punch at low RPM, but traction can be an issue. PD kits are about the same price as Centri. kits, and are IMO the easiest to install.
Centrifugal SC's (think Procharger, Vortech, Paxton, ect.) make boost in direct relation to RPM. So, at low RPM there is very little boost, and at high RPM there is a lot more. Your power curve will be much more progressive with little added torque/hp at low RPM and lots of power as the RPMs rise. Centri. kits are about the same price as PD kits, but are a little harder to install.
Turbos (think STS, APS, ect.) build boost in relation to throttle position and RPM. Turbos can make decent boost at low RPM but you have to mash the pedal a bit to spool them up, and there is a lag. With a V-8 the lag is much less of a problem than guys with I-4s have (becaus the V-8 has more torque to beggin with). At high RPM the turbos generally stay spooled so lag isn't an issue. Turbo kits are generally the most expensive and hardest to install.
So, it really depends on your preference. Do you want to be able to mash it and go at low RPM? Go PD (pos disp). Do you like reving up the motor for power? Go Centri. Do you like it somewhere in-between? Maybe turbo?
There is a lot more variables too such as cam selection, and engine displacement. Hopefully this helps you a little.
spot on, and flawless post that is the basics of the mechanical forced induction.Quote:
Originally Posted by SydneyACE
I had a D-1SC kit on my car as of last week ready for tune and go, but I decided to pull it when I found a deal I couldn't pass up on a rare Incon twin turbo kit. I think the Procharger might have been easier and possibly more reliable, but my car was really set up for a turbo so I decided to stick with that.
As far as which one is best for your setup, I would say it mostly depends on 3 things, transmission (auto or M6), power goals (present and future), car use (drag, road course, street race, fast DD) and of course budget.
If you have an M6, I would strongly advise the Procharger since a turbo will have to re-spool every time you shift. An auto with a turbo, however, will pull like a freight train until you pull on the rains.
As for power goals and budget, a turbo makes more power, but at a slightly higher cost. Blowers cost less and have much lower maintenance, but if you plan on going onto BIG power in the future, you will be glad you chose the turbo.
If you want a wicked straight line car, turbo wins hands down, however, while superchargers have a paralytic loss due to their reliance on the motor to turn them, turbos can get hot as hell and sometimes act up on the street on hot days or in heavy stop and go traffic. Also, a supercharger is a little easier to control being that it comes on gradually and increases with engine RPM (feels like a smooth camming big block). A turbo can be as quiet as a mouse, until you wake it up, then it comes on all at once and can make traction an instant problem. If you long to go fast around corners, don't even think of giving a turbo car any more than half throttle or you will find yourself in a ditch pretty damn quick. The only thing that controls the power of a supercharger, however, is your right foot. The only exception to this is a rear mount STS turbo kit that has virtually no lag time, but also is only capable of about 8 psi. A D-1SC, for about the same price, can be maxed out to make 16 psi and upwards of 850+rwhp through an M6 with little or no issues.
I have the complete D-1SC kit of for sale now if anyone is interested.
A lot of good posts in here....Quote:
Originally Posted by bluebird71
I'd choose a D1SC after all the reading i've done on these topics.
And the A4 will not hold up with much power at all, trust me...