Ran a new camaro....

Heading down the beltway on my way home from playing golf I see a new orange camaro up ahead. Unfortunately I was in the wife's ride but figured I'd see how bad I'd get raped. I've seen several around but haven't had the chance to run one. I pulled along side and noticed two guys who appeared 25-30.

I gave a rev to see if they were interested which of coarse was a gimmie. We lined up at about 75 as I was expecting things to get ugly quickly. I left just a hair sooner then him and had a half car lead. To my surprise he only crept by me?

I let out alittle over 120 with him up a car length, maybe alittle more. We should put up similar numbers with him having a significant weight advantage and racing a moving brick top end isn't too impressive either.

Are they really that slow or does the V6 also have duel exhausts? Either way, those things look damn sweet in person!

v6 also has the dual exhaust, you really have to look at the front bumper for the SS emblem. The bumper is also a little different. Thats about it for the diff between v6 and v8 on the new camaro's.

Did it sound like a mean V8 or did it sound like a V6?

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Originally Posted by innerchi89

v6 also has the dual exhaust, you really have to look at the front bumper for the SS emblem. The bumper is also a little different. Thats about it for the diff between v6 and v8 on the new camaro's.

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thats one of the things I didnt like about the camaros before. Love the car but not much difference between V-6 and V-8 aesthetically. Big difference performance wise though. But I dont have much room to talk though, stock you cant tell the difference between a G8 V-6 and my G8 GT with the V-8. They look exactly the same!

LOL, thats when you blow them out the water!

All SS's have the mail slot scoop on the upper fascia in front of the hood.

Nice, and the car had to have been a v8, the v6 has a little over 300 ponies but only like 265 tq, they're just big fat pigs

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Originally Posted by jaxredg8

thats one of the things I didnt like about the camaros before. Love the car but not much difference between V-6 and V-8 aesthetically. Big difference performance wise though. But I dont have much room to talk though, stock you cant tell the difference between a G8 V-6 and my G8 GT with the V-8. They look exactly the same!

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yours has twin exhaust tips, v6 has single exhaust tips;)

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Originally Posted by LS2 KLR

Heading down the beltway on my way home from playing golf I see a new orange camaro up ahead. Unfortunately I was in the wife's ride but figured I'd see how bad I'd get raped. I've seen several around but haven't had the chance to run one. I pulled along side and noticed two guys who appeared 25-30.

I gave a rev to see if they were interested which of coarse was a gimmie. We lined up at about 75 as I was expecting things to get ugly quickly. I left just a hair sooner then him and had a half car lead. To my surprise he only crept by me?

I let out alittle over 120 with him up a car length, maybe alittle more. We should put up similar numbers with him having a significant weight advantage and racing a moving brick top end isn't too impressive either.

Are they really that slow or does the V6 also have duel exhausts? Either way, those things look damn sweet in person!

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I ran a new red SS a couple weeks ago, but from a redlight. Was an older gentleman. We both came out even, he seemed a bit slow on shifting though. We only had enough room to go up to 3rd gear before we both shut down, But I had 1/2 a car length on him. Would have been nice with a little more room to see if I could pull out more or not. Looked to me like they will run pretty good considering the guy was probably still getting used to the car.
I was in my wifes car too,,,haha

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Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

I ran a new red SS a couple weeks ago, but from a redlight. Was an older gentleman. We both came out even, he seemed a bit slow on shifting though. We only had enough room to go up to 3rd gear before we both shut down, But I had 1/2 a car length on him. Would have been nice with a little more room to see if I could pull out more or not. Looked to me like they will run pretty good considering the guy was probably still getting used to the car.
I was in my wifes car too,,,haha

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What does your wife drive?

A 2000 SS camaro, it's not stock, but not too far from it either.

I need myself a wife that wants to drive a Camaro SS...not saying yours either, just in general lol.

Good Kill, it had to be a V8 if you were in the Trailblazer SS.

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Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS

I need myself a wife that wants to drive a Camaro SS...not saying yours either, just in general lol.

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Haha, just lucky I guess?? She loves to drive old jeeps, and our 70 formula too. Aren't they all like that?? :spit:

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Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Haha, just lucky I guess?? She loves to drive old jeeps, and our 70 formula too. Aren't they all like that?? :spit:

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We can only hope....

I've seen a shit ton of orange 2010's down around Houston lately.

I got a guy with a SS2 to give a quick rev and the SS's were pretty damn loud for stock.

To make it even more confusing, you can get the v6 with fog lights and the RS package and ground effects as well as in the SS.

SS has different wheels, front bumper and nose.

I checked around on ebay for one and the only Camaro's around all were coming in orange. I really want to see one in the aqua blue tho.

Yeah, orange and red are popular colors around here also.

That's about right our cars are about 13.4 to 13.9 on the 1/4 and the new Camaro's are about 12.75sec to 13 sec on a good day so what, 1 lenght maybe a little more. A raced a roush with 465 hp to the wheels and he got me by 1 1/2 car and mine is stock, plus he races every week for like 20 years so he wasn't a rooky but I am lol

About the same as a Corvette and by the way it sounds like a v6 that car needs an exhaust. Ok maybe a v8 with to much restriction

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Originally Posted by chuckie669

I've seen a shit ton of orange 2010's down around Houston lately.

I got a guy with a SS2 to give a quick rev and the SS's were pretty damn loud for stock.

To make it even more confusing, you can get the v6 with fog lights and the RS package and ground effects as well as in the SS.

SS has different wheels, front bumper and nose.

I checked around on ebay for one and the only Camaro's around all were coming in orange. I really want to see one in the aqua blue tho.

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Ya you really have to look for those dinky SS emblems, they are no longer front and center,,,,,they are off to the sides and tiny,,,,and they don't put any on the sides at all. I don't quite understand that.

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Originally Posted by Durango

That's about right our cars are about 13.4 to 13.9 on the 1/4 and the new Camaro's are about 12.75sec to 13 sec on a good day so what, 1 lenght maybe a little more. A raced a roush with 465 hp to the wheels and he got me by 1 1/2 car and mine is stock, plus he races every week for like 20 years so he wasn't a rooky but I am lol

About the same as a Corvette and by the way it sounds like a v6 that car needs an exhaust. Ok maybe a v8 with to much restriction

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They don't run bad, my wifes car dips into the 12's now and I didn't have much on him. Looked like it would be a good race.

theres a breaking period of 5000 miles on the new maro isnt???
car is supposed to run a little better after 5k miles or im wrong???

Not to pick on you in particular but through the years I have been a member of various car forums but only on the lsx sites does the "break in" or "factory freak" come up.

I've never understood how a car breaking in will suddenly pick up another 20+hp. I don't know of any race cars that need x amount of miles before its ready to run. Sure, put a few miles on it to let the rings seal but after that its game time.

You can pretty much count on when a new chevy comes out with dyno numbers someone is always gonna say, just imagine what it will put up once its broken in.

Nothing further from the truth. We dyno'd alot of engines including some of my own. Took a fresh motor, set it on the stand, and after 20-30 minutes of light loads to seat the rings, check for leaks, check timing and make sure the AFR was safe,,,it was go time. As many pulls as it would take trying different things. It wasn't unusual to have 20 pulls on an engine looking for the optimum setup.
If they survive that,,,,then it's time to drop it in the car and go racing.

It's actually the best way to do it in my opinion, you want to find problems before you go through the trouble of putting it in the car, especially after detailing everything.

they said the cars run best after 8k break in miles, no car mag has run one with more then 300-500 miles on it. They will be dippin 12s stock im sure might be killing terminators stock after break in miles.

"Break-in period" is a complete myth!! I used to work in the automotive industry and when every car comes off the line it gets a "end-of-line" test. They redline the motor and hold it for five minutes! Been doing this for years too!

Only motorcycles still have a "break-in period" since the bike is shipped in parts and has to be put together, including engine. It is recommended 500 miles for a bike but most of us now that holding the rpms at incremental periods of the powerband will set the rings nice and quick. After that its all go!!!!

Also I'm ashamed to say this but a young punk in my area has a new Camaro, only V6 though. Buddy pulled a ricer fly by when I was driving home from work in the GOAT. He almost wrecked since he wasn't paying attention. We got to a light but I was behind him and he was revving that little six like it was top boss. I just looked at the guy and shook my head....not wasting my gas on a young kid that knew nothing about cars and thinks because his car is new its better ha!

Oh yea you can tell the V6 from the V8 by sound! V6 has no umpphhh at all! The LS3 sounds ok. A guy had a SS/RS at a gas station and I rapped/bullcrapped with him a bit. Those mufflers really restrict it. I told him to get rid of them pronto!

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Originally Posted by Durango

...and the new Camaro's are about 12.75sec to 13 sec on a good day so what, 1 lenght maybe a little more....

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Though I agree they should be capable of running 12.75 stock with a good driver on a good day, I have not yet heard of anybody running very close to that number yet. Do you have any data on a run that quick in a stock 2010 SS?

Thanks.

Ya anyone breaking in their new car just isn't aware of what the car has already been through before it was put on the truck :lmao:

I was lucky enough to know someone that worked at the GM Norwood plant in the mid 80's..Before it's demise around 1988 I was able to take a tour of the place and just loved it. Simply amazing,,,,anyway,,,
Back then the Irocs and GTA T/A's were being pumped out by the dozens. Man let me tell you the test procedures for each car was absolutely brutal.

TPI camaro's and birds all lined up,,,,guys with clip boards walking to each car,,starting them and just holding them to the floor,,,and I mean for long periods of time,,,then jot something down on the clip board and do it again :no: You had to be carefull where you walked, there was always squealing tires and cars racing around inside and outside the plant.
Then there was the test patch with irregular bumps everywhere,, (BIG BUMPS),,,,and they would fly accross that at 50-60 mph testing the suspension.....There were other things they did but you get the idea.

I'm not exagerating when I say they literally beat the crap out of these cars before they had a mile put on them. That shoots the break in procedures right out the window.

i friend of mine just got his 2010 camaro and is bab it tuntil 1500 miles... think ill have to tell him the truth hehehe muahhaha

btw new camaros are bad ass... just the looking is worth the money

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Originally Posted by lexva_58

i friend of mine just got his 2010 camaro and is bab it tuntil 1500 miles... think ill have to tell him the truth hehehe muahhaha

btw new camaros are bad ass... just the looking is worth the money

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Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD

Though I agree they should be capable of running 12.75 stock with a good driver on a good day, I have not yet heard of anybody running very close to that number yet. Do you have any data on a run that quick in a stock 2010 SS?

Thanks.

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Road and Track tested an SS, they got a 13.0 @ 111.1. Reported it weighed 3860 lb! And I thought our cars were heavy....

Ya, and C&D has gone 12.9 at about the same MPH, so I suspect a good driver at a good track and in good air will run into the 12.7s or so....but we might not see it till fall.

As for weight....don't even get me started. Most of us thought that the GT500 was supremely porky at 3920 lbs, but attributed much of that over-piglyness to its huge iron block and all the hardware associated with the blower. The SS manages to get to its pork-number with a n/a aluminum motor.

The weight of today's cars is truly depressing, from a performance standpoint.

They don't seem that heavy to me. I'm used to racing and driving cars from the 60's and 70's, some of which weigh much more.

My 70 formula ,,,,3690 lbs. empty,,,,,3925 lbs. race weight
my 72 SS chevelle,,,,4,108 lbs. race weight
My 2000 SS camaro 3750 lbs. race weight
My 2002 SS camaro 3,820 lbs. race weight
My 56 nomad,,,4,060 lbs. race weight
My 79 454 pickup race weight (ya I've raced it) 5,560 lbs. haha

I had to throw that one in there for giggles.

I have some lighter cars in the stable but you get the idea.

Keep in mind these race weights will very give or take 20-25 lbs. depending on the amount of gas used at the time. I always race with at least 1/2 tank or more. And I weigh 200-205 lbs. so you do the math.

With all that said,,,these new cars just don't look that heavy to me. It definately wouldn't be a consideration for me if I were on the market for a new car.

To each their own, but it is absolutely a consideration for me. New cars make my 99 Cobra look light, and my 88 Coupe an absolute featherweight.

Also, note that your 2000 and 2002 Camaro weights are given as raceweights (I guess all are, but they are the newest). A new SS or GT500 weighs more than that EMPTY.

What can I say...I'm a weight Nazi. :)

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Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD

To each their own, but it is absolutely a consideration for me. New cars make my 99 Cobra look light, and my 88 Coupe an absolute featherweight.

Also, note that your 2000 and 2002 Camaro weights are given as raceweights (I guess all are, but they are the newest). A new SS or GT500 weighs more than that EMPTY.

What can I say...I'm a weight Nazi. :)

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Ya both camaros I listed as race weights,,,I'm 200 lbs. So that still makes those cars 3550 and 3620,,,still not lightweights as far as I'm concerned.
At the time they were heavy compared to most anything else out there forsale,,,,and now look at the following they have on here :shrug:
Nothing has changed really from my perspective I guess. Camaro's aren't the only thing that has gained weight,,,,they all have..

I'm not going to let weight be a factor in choosing which car to buy, I personally like the challengers more and would have one over a camaro,,,I don't care that they are slower and heavier,,,that can easily be changed to anyones personal goals,,,but you can't make the camaro look like a challenger, and that's my biggest hangup with the car.

Don't get me wrong though,,,I put alot of emphasis on weight for other reasons and can understand the concern. It just cracks me up when I read all the people on here say,,,,,"I'm not buying the new camaro,,,did you see how much that thing weighs"??? :think: Now that's just funny to me. :lmao:

Well, the honest person in me says that weight is the number one main reason that I wouldn't have one. Ditto the Challenger (and I do like the looks of the Challenger better than Camaro).

Oh well...sucks to be me I guess!

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Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD

Well, the honest person in me says that weight is the number one main reason that I wouldn't have one. Ditto the Challenger (and I do like the looks of the Challenger better than Camaro).

Oh well...sucks to be me I guess!

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Man you are missing out on some cool cars :)

If I thought in that mannor I'd have to get rid of most of what I own, including the 454 chevelle, both 4th gens, my formula, truck, nomad,,,crap,,,that would only leave me with the ventura and the 69 Z as the only lightweights in the bunch. I wouldn't know what to do with myself,,,:spit:

I've moved to the Dallas metroplex area and have seen a few new camaros but much to my dissapointment these refuse to go faster than like 70. What a waste.

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Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD

Ya, and C&D has gone 12.9 at about the same MPH, so I suspect a good driver at a good track and in good air will run into the 12.7s or so....but we might not see it till fall.

As for weight....don't even get me started. Most of us thought that the GT500 was supremely porky at 3920 lbs, but attributed much of that over-piglyness to its huge iron block and all the hardware associated with the blower. The SS manages to get to its pork-number with a n/a aluminum motor.

The weight of today's cars is truly depressing, from a performance standpoint.

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Well, let's see. If GM could've made the Camaro under 3500 lbs, maybe 3450, [I]adn[I] kept the HP level the same, just imagine the acceleration and the gas MPG improvement. But then again, if they took the weight out, a lot of people would then complain about the lack of structural rigidity. Or, GM would have to use expensive material to keep the body rigid, driving up the cost. However, how much did the 3rd gens weigh? 3200? Then with a 420 HP engine the body would flex too much....

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Originally Posted by Too Fast

Well, let's see. If GM could've made the Camaro under 3500 lbs, maybe 3450, [I]adn[I] kept the HP level the same, just imagine the acceleration and the gas MPG improvement. But then again, if they took the weight out, a lot of people would then complain about the lack of structural rigidity. Or, GM would have to use expensive material to keep the body rigid, driving up the cost. However, how much did the 3rd gens weigh? 3200? Then with a 420 HP engine the body would flex too much....

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My third gen,,,88 350 TPI to be exact was a solid roof car,,,and weighed exactly 3440 lbs. Only about 100 lbs lighter than my wifes T-top 2000 SS camaro,,,not alot of difference really.

The days of 3200 lbs V8 4 seater cars are pretty much over. With all the gadgets and doo dads, bells and whistles, that everyone absulutely has to have,,,,all these cars are going to weigh a fair amount nowadays.
You simply can't order a stripped down car anymore without A/C and power crap.
You just have to live with 3500 lbs + cars and find your own ways to take weight out.

I've seen one other than an orange one in Houston, a maroon with white stripe top of the line SS, didn't look like it had the RS package. This was around grand parkway if you know where that is. Automatic too:brick:

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Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

My third gen,,,88 350 TPI to be exact was a solid roof car,,,and weighed exactly 3440 lbs. Only about 100 lbs lighter than my wifes T-top 2000 SS camaro,,,not alot of difference really.

The days of 3200 lbs V8 4 seater cars are pretty much over. With all the gadgets and doo dads, bells and whistles, that everyone absulutely has to have,,,,all these cars are going to weigh a fair amount nowadays.
You simply can't order a stripped down car anymore without A/C and power crap.
You just have to live with 3500 lbs + cars and find your own ways to take weight out.

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I agree, grudgingly, dammit. A lot of the weight gain has to do with equipment like airbags and their sensors/brain boxes, ABS stuff, power windows/locks etc. I do like my ABS, air bags, power windows, power locks, power brakes, power steering, but the weight gains add up.

I could do without the airbags. I always wear my seatbelt so there isn't any advantage to them for the front airbags. I guess I can see some merit in side impact bags.

I always thought it would be neat to have a club racer Corvette option. Do away with the power seat, windows and locks. A simple radio with no nav. Thin carpet and minimal insulation. You could make the battery smaller with less electronics. The alternator smaller. No run-flats. Just a complete focus on a lighter Vette. Take the original FRC/Z06 to the extreme.

My guess is you could take the C6 from 3200 lbs down to 2950 pretty easily. 2750 or 2800 wouldn't be out of the question with stuff like a smaller windshield washer bottle, doing away with fog lights, thinner glass, lighter weight wheels, lighter weight brakes, light weight headers and exhaust. No intake noise mufflers. Lightweight suspension components. A/C optional.

Put the Z06 motor in it and at 2950 lbs you have a car with ZR1 performance. Split the price difference between the ZR1 and the Z06 and you have a serious car for people that are interested in racing. Maybe put a roll cage in it from the factory and do away with the carpet.

Chevy should be able to sell 1500 or 2000 a year.

Take the exercise a little further and offer a Vette with the 3.6 V6. No PW, PL, PS or P mirrors. Make it the base for the club racer, just add the club racer option to get the V8 and suspension, roll cage and brake goodies. The V6 would easily be 2800 lbs and with the 306 hp from the 3.6 wouldn't be as fast as the V8 but it would get over 20 city and over 30 highway and be a great base car. Price it at 40k, just at the top of the Camaro SS price structure.

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Originally Posted by Too Fast

I agree, grudgingly, dammit. A lot of the weight gain has to do with equipment like airbags and their sensors/brain boxes, ABS stuff, power windows/locks etc. I do like my ABS, air bags, power windows, power locks, power brakes, power steering, but the weight gains add up.

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Ya I can do without all the power stuff. If I could order a new car the way I wanted it,,,,I'd skip the power windows, power seats and locks, A/C etc...
That's just more stuff to go wrong down the road and it's expensive to fix. Just a rear drive V8 is all I ask. I guess I just like things simple. Probably why I favor old cars from the 50's - 70's more than anything.

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Originally Posted by 95camaroZNC

they said the cars run best after 8k break in miles, no car mag has run one with more then 300-500 miles on it. They will be dippin 12s stock im sure might be killing terminators stock after break in miles.

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Don't get too cocky. The new Camaro weighs about 200 lbs. more than a Terminator. Hell, it weighs about 330 more lbs. than the 2010 Mustang GT. If you're into open tracking instead of 1/4 mile, that's huge.

This is a little off topic, but, has anyone read the new Camaros transsmision gear ratios? It looks like the 6 speed auto will not have a 1:1 ratio in any gear. Anyone know how it will be dyno'd?

Here's a link where i read it http://www.powerperformancenews.com/...eased-911.html

Also, the auto first gear is like 4:1 thats pretty darn low, I bet the 6 speed auto is a monster off the line.

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Originally Posted by preston1980

This is a little off topic, but, has anyone read the new Camaros transsmision gear ratios? Also, the auto first gear is like 4:1 thats pretty darn low, I bet the 6 speed auto is a monster off the line.

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Ya until you hit second gear. Did you see the gear spread??? It sucks. To drop from a 4.07 to a 2.37??? YIKES!!!

Reminds me of the sucky 1-2 gear spread from the 700R4/4L60 tranny,,,I would have thought GM could have made that a little better since they were starting with a new design :screwy:

I see the 6speed manuals got a little worse as well. Although the gear spread is better,,,it starts out with a 3.01,,,,,,eh. That's getting close to the old T5 days,,,,ICK!!! And you loose a bit of overdrive from the previous 6 speed manuals too,,,it's now .57

So does anyone know how it will be dynod?

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Originally Posted by preston1980

So does anyone know how it will be dynod?

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likely on a dyno.

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Originally Posted by big hammer

likely on a dyno.

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Ha ha very funny.

I mean that cars are always dynod in 4th gear or what ever gear they have the 1:1 ratio, so that the dyno machine can get an accurate power measurment from the engine.

Im sure there is a way to measure the power in a differant ratio, but I have never heard of it.

Dont know what gear, but so far i have seen 320whp-365whp

I see nothing wrong with the new camaro besides the rear end. I think they look bad ass, even better in person..

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Originally Posted by 01ws6er

Nice, and the car had to have been a v8, the v6 has a little over 300 ponies but only like 265 tq, they're just big fat pigs

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Still better than the Mustang and Challenger's highest powered V6's....

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Originally Posted by Zinergy

Dont know what gear, but so far i have seen 320whp-365whp

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very unimpressed with the rwhp numbers from the autos--- the manuals are mo bettah.

i test drove the new camaro and wasan;t impressed at all with the performance