Got a bench race for ya...

A guy I work with just told me he bought a Vortec S-trim for his 2004 2v GT and will not be intercooling it, just using meth. Also, he has an intake, catback, 3.73's, and tunes it through a handheld tuner...I'll be done rebuilding my motor in the next few weeks (230/230 cam only, 02 ls6 shortblock, full bolt ons, and td exhaust) I have no suspension mods yet (yikes) and my friends GT is lowered. I'm an m6, he has m5.

What kinda power would his car make, cause I think he'll be running about 9 lbs from what he said? I hope to be at around 400+whp, and as close to 400rwtq as possible.

Debate: :sword:

even on meth with the route he is going, engine wont last.

my guess is prolly 350-370 rwhp, you should take quite nicely

If you can drive your car you got him.

I would put my money on you

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Originally Posted by 98T/Aformula.

If you can drive your car you got him.

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I'm a decent driver, can't get traction for shit though but I know for a fact he cant either cause I've ridden in his car. I'll get some vids come springtime. He's a pretty mellow guy and isn't talkin shit or anything, but I think he's a little on the "ignorant" side when it comes to LSX motors and their power potential.

On another note: I know a guy who recently purchased a 2004 Viper and I wanna race him SOOOOO bad! I've ridden in the car and it is mean, and I'll probably lose, but I wanna give him a run just for the hell of it...

those gt's even on boost rarely see past mid 350's if they want to last, he would have been better off building a 5.4. For his sake tell him to get a real tune he's wasting money as it is.

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Originally Posted by c5z28

those gt's even on boost rarely see past mid 350's if they want to last, he would have been better off building a 5.4. For his sake tell him to get a real tune he's wasting money as it is.

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Im no car "expert" let alone a Mustang expert, but I told him to get rid of that handheld when he installs the vortech, but he insists that its the best in the mustang world so we'll see.

I hope I can drive my car come spring having not driven it all winter otherwise it may be a close race haha!:rock:

You would win.

if he blows the motor than he can get a cobra block or a 5.4. Just wait for those injectors to go and watch him lean out-boom

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Originally Posted by JwMonE99

You would win.

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Thank you and very nice times! Best I could muster was a 13.03 @ 110 with a 2.195 60'. I need some DR's and a driver mod.

Your welcome, what mods do you have?
I just have LTs, X pipe dumped before axel, Ebay CAI and some suspension mods, street tires lol. I think thats great for an LT1.

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Originally Posted by 01ws6er

A guy I work with just told me he bought a Vortec S-trim for his 2004 2v GT and will not be intercooling it, just using meth. Also, he has an intake, catback, 3.73's, and tunes it through a handheld tuner...I'll be done rebuilding my motor in the next few weeks (230/230 cam only, 02 ls6 shortblock, full bolt ons, and td exhaust) I have no suspension mods yet (yikes) and my friends GT is lowered. I'm an m6, he has m5.

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First, kick your friend in the junk for not getting the Vortech aftercooler they sell. Without the aftercooler and long tubes with no cats, he will be lucky to see 350 to the wheels.

The Meth kits are better on builds that have reach the peak of what the stock shortblock can handle. Also, with that hand held tuner, he'll blow up his engine in a few weeks or days.... Now if he was intelligent, he would have got the aftercooler and slap on full exhaust. Easy 400 to the tires, then the Meth would actually be worth it.

Mogs

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Originally Posted by JwMonE99

Your welcome, what mods do you have?
I just have LTs, X pipe dumped before axel, Ebay CAI and some suspension mods, street tires lol. I think thats great for an LT1.

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I had bolt ons and td's with h-pipe, untuned at the time and on shitty street tires with that pewpy 2.195 60'. My cousin has a 95' T/A with bolt ons and the previous owners best was 13.2 so I'd say that time is hella good for a bolt on Lt1.

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Originally Posted by mogs01gt

First, kick your friend in the junk for not getting the Vortech aftercooler they sell. Without the aftercooler and long tubes with no cats, he will be lucky to see 350 to the wheels.

The Meth kits are better on builds that have reach the peak of what the stock shortblock can handle. Also, with that hand held tuner, he'll blow up his engine in a few weeks or days.... Now if he was intelligent, he would have got the aftercooler and slap on full exhaust. Easy 400 to the tires, then the Meth would actually be worth it.

Mogs

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I dunno all that much about Mustangs but I told him to get an intercooler (didn't really know vortech used an aftercooler) and he swore up and down that the meth alone would make more power and be safer. I told him (with very basic knowledge) that meth is more a of a stabilizing agent and it would add in safety but it is only to enhance power and add safety at the same time...I dunno, that's my basic understanding of it.

i think you got him

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Originally Posted by 180ls1

i think you got him

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General conscensus is so. Again, he's a cool guy, but of course I wanna spank him haha :box:

Your buddy is definitely cutting corners with his build. 350ish at the wheels should be right in the ballpark for him -- you should easily find yourself in the 400 rwhp range.

I'd put my money on you in this one.

I ran an 03 2V with Vortech + Intercooler + cams + full exhaust + gears back when I only had a cam and bolt ons and I pulled on him in a highway roll race (we started around 60 - 70 if I recall correctly). I believe he was at 7 lbs, however he had all of the supporting mods to go with it.

You should defiently have him. If he is brave(stupid) he could get crazy with his timing on that meth setup. If he is reasonable he will end up with about 370rwhp.

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Originally Posted by Midnight02

Your buddy is definitely cutting corners with his build. 350ish at the wheels should be right in the ballpark for him -- you should easily find yourself in the 400 rwhp range.
I'd put my money on you in this one.
I ran an 03 2V with Vortech + Intercooler + cams + full exhaust + gears back when I only had a cam and bolt ons and I pulled on him in a highway roll race (we started around 60 - 70 if I recall correctly). I believe he was at 7 lbs, however he had all of the supporting mods to go with it.

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He should have tore you up, even at 7psi, with those cams that car should be in the 420 range. Hopefully it wasnt an off the shelf cam(non-blower cam), he could have lost power doing that.:ughlaugh:

typical mustang owner.... handheld tuners don't tune for shit, a S/C with out proper support is just being able to say "hey i got a S/C" so judging by this i give you the lead....

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Originally Posted by mogs01gt

He should have tore you up, even at 7psi, with those cams that car should be in the 420 range. Hopefully it wasnt an off the shelf cam(non-blower cam), he could have lost power doing that.:ughlaugh:

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He said he was right at 400 rwhp and had a passenger in the car. Only had one good highway run and I was able to put a little over a full length on him. Later up the road we came to a standstill in traffic and had a chance to talk -- the cams came after the blower, so I would presume he would've went with a blower cam, however I didn't ask that question specifically.

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Originally Posted by Midnight02

He said he was right at 400 rwhp and had a passenger in the car. Only had one good highway run and I was able to put a little over a full length on him. Later up the road we came to a standstill in traffic and had a chance to talk -- the cams came after the blower, so I would presume he would've went with a blower cam, however I didn't ask that question specifically.

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Most GTs with that much power are trapping in the 115+ range.

plus the fact that its a mustang.....automatic -3 seconds

In common lingo today, intercoolers and after coolers are the same thing. Intercooler actually used to mean something different than what we consider an intercooler to be today.

Anyway, it's going to be a tough run for the mustang, but I wouldn't count him out. Especially considering the fact that he can run quite a bit more boost with the meth injection.

Chris

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Originally Posted by Chris Arnold

In common lingo today, intercoolers and after coolers are the same thing. Intercooler actually used to mean something different than what we consider an intercooler to be today.

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Vortech actually markets and sells them as an aftercooler. We arent talking about a typical Intercooler.
http://www.superchargersonline.com/i...er_mustang.jpg
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Originally Posted by karpetcm

even on meth with the route he is going, engine wont last.

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That noise it makes now is the top ring land bouncing around in the cylinder. That's why he keeps finding the plug gap closed.

Ok, this has nothing to do with mustangs. hate or love them... it's engine basics.

9 PSI of boost...... with no intercooler... he won't have jack for power. the air will be coming in way hot even with meth injection. and a hand held tuner that takes nothing into account for the high level of complexity there is getting the air-fuel ratio right in a fuel injected engine.. IF You get a good tune you'll destroy him!

putting a super charger on he needs dyno tuning with someone who knows what they are doing.

Use the meth on the driver, improved reaction time will help him get a jump on you.

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Use the meth on the driver, improved reaction time will help him get a jump on you.

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by mogs01gt

Vortech actually markets and sells them as an aftercooler. We arent talking about a typical Intercooler.

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...3&autoview=sku

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I know about vortech, and thanks for hopping on to correct me. Allow me to clarify:

Intercooler is an aviation term for inlet charge cooling BETWEEN multiple stages of superchargers, turbos, or turbo / supercharger combinations used in high performance, high altitude, aircraft powerplants (piston engines). Almost all production cars have aftercoolers. You usually see true intercoolers only on very special, extremely high output engines, or engines used at very high altitude.

The vortech unit you just showed me is technically an aftercooler as are all of the "intercoolers" I have ever seen on cars. The difference between this one and others you're used to seeing is that most of them are air-to-air aftercoolers, and this is an air-to-water aftercooler.

Chris

link to a source that states the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercooler