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11-29-2008, 01:06 AM
NewYawk WS6

new camshaft

okay so i knoo camshaftss are big topic on this webstie and everyone seems to be having the same problem as me. My problem is i want to keep it a DD and dont mind a rough idle but dont want it to bad. I was researching the Texas Speed cam packages and was thinking MS3 or the torquer and this comes with new springs and pushrods. my question is are springs and new rods all i would need to replace to keep me from damaging the engine i kno the cams going to make my revsa lil higher. any input is appreciated i have an m6 by the way.
mods include pacesetter LT's, Volant CAI, and pro 5.0 short shift
11-29-2008, 06:58 AM
Bottesini

All that you have to have when putting in a new cam really is springs, and a good tune. Pushrods are a topic that is up to debate and most like to replace the stockers with hardened pushrods. I personally have the stockers and they go up to 6500-6700 with my setup and have no problem. I would also recommend upgrading to at least an LS2 timing chain, and LS6 ported oil pump (cheap insurance and you will be in there anyway).

Of your two cam choices I would lean towards the Torquer 2, but to me it is still just a little bigger then I would want to run in my daily, but only a little.
11-29-2008, 10:56 AM
AB'sLs1

since u r on the topic of the torquer 2 i thought id butt in and i was just wondering if either of u two know when the torquer 2 starts to get power, where it peaks, and where it ends? if u know where i could get a dino graph that would be much appreciated
11-29-2008, 11:42 AM
c5z28

ms3 is not a good daily driver, and the power under the curve has dissapointed many less power under curve with marginally better peak #'s, Ms4 or torquer is a better option if you must go that route.
11-29-2008, 12:12 PM
NewYawk WS6

thanks alot for the responses guys so torquer 2 over the Magic Stick? any other experiences with other cams from different companies (dynos ect.) Im not going to swap the heads for a while but want a big enough cam that when i do it will make a difference. Also plan on getting a fast 90/90 combo soon after the cam so want a good overall package.
11-29-2008, 01:07 PM
c5z28

Call comp cams or another maker and have them build you a custom cam. You can go on ls1tech and look under dyno results to see people gains.
11-30-2008, 10:47 AM
INMY01TA

I'm a fan of the Texas Speed 233/239 cam.
12-01-2008, 09:13 PM
NewYawk WS6

may be a lil too big for me i need to keep this a DD but im liking the Texas Speed productss too how much difference does the lsa make? pretty new to camshaft mods trying to learn as much as i can.
12-01-2008, 10:26 PM
c5z28

Every one seems to like the comp cam 224 decent power throught the curve.
12-02-2008, 06:12 PM
Jumper

228R 112lsa or something in that range.
12-03-2008, 03:28 AM
TRANS-DAD

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Originally Posted by Jumper

228R 112lsa or something in that range.

Great all around DD IMO!!:devil:
12-03-2008, 10:01 AM
c5z28

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Originally Posted by TRANS-DAD

Great all around DD IMO!!:devil:

what kind of mileage and power you making with it.
12-03-2008, 10:05 AM
Bottesini

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRANS-DAD

Great all around DD IMO!!:devil:

Agreed, cams right around that size seem to work well for our cars as daily drivers. I do prefer a little more exhaust then intake though with stock heads.

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Originally Posted by c5z28

what kind of mileage and power you making with it.

Mine is almost the same as the 228R (226/228 .585/.588 lsa 112) and I did not notice any change in mileage except when I could not keep from playing around more :)
12-03-2008, 10:40 AM
chevyss1234

i dunno if my sig works yet but i have the 228r and i love it. i put down 386rwhp and 368rwtq, it's got that good sounding idle and i'll second that it's an excellent dd cam. anyway man i've got a video of me punching it and also one of just an idle if you'd like a link, i'm having dejavuh
12-03-2008, 03:33 PM
c5z28

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Originally Posted by chevyss1234

i dunno if my sig works yet but i have the 228r and i love it. i put down 386rwhp and 368rwtq, it's got that good sounding idle and i'll second that it's an excellent dd cam. anyway man i've got a video of me punching it and also one of just an idle if you'd like a link, i'm having dejavuh

put a link on the thread for us all to see. I want a cam just would have to get a stall or never drive it around in first:bomb:
12-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Bottesini

Not a 228, but close, thought I would offer up what mine sounds like. Sorry it is a crappy run and not the best quality, but it is the only vid I have of the Camaro (true duals, LTs, and 226/228 cam at the factory tire shootout in Denton).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6tbqnEptQ
12-03-2008, 06:32 PM
chevyss1234

m'kay here it is:
this is just the idle. the car was still gettin used to the tune so it's real slow at first, but after a few hundred miles it idles regularly immediately

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/l...dle_176464.htm

And this is me running through a couple gears, it's an awesome cam for a milder cam. i mean i put the back end out in second in this video without even trying. i'll try and get hold of the dyno graph and see if the guys at vengeance still have it.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/l...run_176465.htm
12-03-2008, 06:38 PM
chevyss1234

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Originally Posted by c5z28

put a link on the thread for us all to see. I want a cam just would have to get a stall or never drive it around in first:bomb:

with this cam i don't think you'd need a stall if i understand you correctly. it's exactly what you'd like, it's basically still got the exact same manners as in drivablility it just sounds a lot choppier. And i got the 112 lsa, you can also get 114
.... where's my sig dammit
12-03-2008, 09:18 PM
mark21742

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Originally Posted by c5z28

put a link on the thread for us all to see. I want a cam just would have to get a stall or never drive it around in first:bomb:

I pickedup my 2,800 tci stall off of ebay for $140 shipped the guy said it was used, but the thing looks brand new. just by putting the stall in with my stock cam it made a big differencem
just keep an eye out for good deals
12-04-2008, 09:37 AM
SOMbitch

Anything 224/224 or bigger needs a stall IMHO. The tv2 you are looking at doesn't start making good torque til 3500 which is why you see so many guys running around with 3600 stalls with that cam. Decide if you are gonna stall first and how big before you get a cam. You must match them.

tv2 + no stall = pushing through the brakes and a dog down low.

Also always run hardened pushrods ($100) with a cam/spring set up. The new springs will have higher seat pressures and this will cause the stock PR's to flex causing valvetrain instability.

I would the whole cam kit that would also include new locks, Titanium retainers (lighter) and valve seals if you are going to trouble of doing it.
12-04-2008, 11:45 AM
c5z28

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Originally Posted by chevyss1234

m'kay here it is:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/l...run_176465.htm

That thing sounds like it is whining in the upper rpms very nice. I was bidding on some nice zr-1 rims but the deal fell through so a cam and stall might be in order soon.
12-04-2008, 01:30 PM
NewYawk WS6

chevyss1234 and bottesini you guys have custom grinds? if so what company you buy them from?
12-04-2008, 01:39 PM
Bottesini

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Originally Posted by NewYawk WS6

chevyss1234 and bottesini you guys have custom grinds? if so what company you buy them from?

Mine is a custom grind that is offered by Vengeance. If I remember it right they call it the VRx3 which is 226/228 .585/.588 lsa 112 (+4). One of the things I liked about ordering from Vengeance is that I could really pick which cam I wanted, you get quite a few options. At first I was going to get a custom cam straight from Comp Cams, but Vengeance had exactly what i wanted so and just made the process a little easier.
12-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Bottesini

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevyss1234

m'kay here it is:
this is just the idle. the car was still gettin used to the tune so it's real slow at first, but after a few hundred miles it idles regularly immediately

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/l...dle_176464.htm

And this is me running through a couple gears, it's an awesome cam for a milder cam. i mean i put the back end out in second in this video without even trying. i'll try and get hold of the dyno graph and see if the guys at vengeance still have it.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/l...run_176465.htm

I think you have inspired me next week after the 9" gets put in I might have to make a video with an in car camera :)
12-04-2008, 03:23 PM
chevyss1234

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Originally Posted by NewYawk WS6

chevyss1234 and bottesini you guys have custom grinds? if so what company you buy them from?

Mine's one of the grinds available from texas speed the 228r is what it's called, i didn't custom order it.

Bottesini do it! just make sure borrow a really good camera so you get good sound out of it. I love how it included all details of the sounds :love:

Hey and what gear are you puttin in your 9", i kinda want new gears in the future but i'm not sure what i want. Could you let me know if you do post a video of it?
... where's my sig dammit
12-04-2008, 05:52 PM
Bottesini

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevyss1234

Mine's one of the grinds available from texas speed the 228r is what it's called, i didn't custom order it.

Bottesini do it! just make sure borrow a really good camera so you get good sound out of it. I love how it included all details of the sounds :love:

Hey and what gear are you puttin in your 9", i kinda want new gears in the future but i'm not sure what i want. Could you let me know if you do post a video of it?
... where's my sig dammit

4.11s With a six speed cruising in sixth does not change but a few 100 RPM. Everything lower you just use a higher gear, so as a DD as long as you have a M6 you can easily get away with it.

The 228R is a great cam. I personally like a little more exhaust then intake with stock heads, but it is a proven strong DD cam.
12-05-2008, 12:24 AM
NewYawk WS6

bottesini that cam is almost exactly what im looking for only thing im worrying about is the idle being a lil ruff with 112 lsa how is it? did you replace any rods or spring with the cam i knoe the powerband for the rpms must be higher
12-05-2008, 06:26 AM
SOMbitch

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Originally Posted by NewYawk WS6

bottesini that cam is almost exactly what im looking for only thing im worrying about is the idle being a lil ruff with 112 lsa how is it? did you replace any rods or spring with the cam i knoe the powerband for the rpms must be higher

you HAVE to replace springs with that cam cause the lift is .588/588 X-ER lobes. Just get the whole cam kit and save a few $$ Something like a Comp 918 (beehive) spring will work fine or you can run PP/PRC duals for that matter.
12-05-2008, 08:23 AM
Bottesini

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Originally Posted by NewYawk WS6

bottesini that cam is almost exactly what im looking for only thing im worrying about is the idle being a lil ruff with 112 lsa how is it? did you replace any rods or spring with the cam i knoe the powerband for the rpms must be higher

You can get a different LSA, the 112 does not bother me once the car is warm. On a cold start it has a little trouble finding idle, but I have never been able to leave it with a tuner long enough for them to get a good cold start tune.

When I did the cam swap put in new LS6 ported oil pump and a LS2 timing chain since the car has 120k+ at that point. You will need new springs. I went with the Patriot Golds since they are a good spring and you get the titanium stuff as well for only about 255 total, not to mention I rather have just a little more security with my springs, especially since the car usually sees 1000 miles a month.

Here is the chart that shows what the cam only swap did. Typically I shift at 6500 (on the tach) when I am racing seriously.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...ynowithcam.jpg
12-05-2008, 08:26 AM
mark21742

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

You can get a different LSA, the 112 does not bother me once the car is warm. On a cold start it has a little trouble finding idle, but I have never been able to leave it with a tuner long enough for them to get a good cold start tune.

When I did the cam swap put in new LS6 ported oil pump and a LS2 timing chain since the car has 120k+ at that point. You will need new springs. I went with the Patriot Golds since they are a good spring and you get the titanium stuff as well for only about 255 total, not to mention I rather have just a little more security with my springs, especially since the car usually sees 1000 miles a month.

Here is the chart that shows what the cam only swap did. Typically I shift at 6500 (on the tach) when I am racing seriously.

sweet!
i think im looking for something a little tamer so i can keep my 2,800 stall, maybe something that builds from 1,500 up :dunno:
12-05-2008, 08:53 PM
Bottesini

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Originally Posted by mark21742

sweet!
i think im looking for something a little tamer so i can keep my 2,800 stall, maybe something that builds from 1,500 up :dunno:

The top line is with the cam and bottom is without (shows both RWTQ and RWHP). I got nothing but gains everywhere over the stocker. I think with a 114 LSA my cam would be very tame as long as you have a good tune.
12-07-2008, 07:10 PM
supaxero

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Originally Posted by mark21742

sweet!
i think im looking for something a little tamer so i can keep my 2,800 stall, maybe something that builds from 1,500 up :dunno:

comp cam has the xr269 that has an rpm range of 1300 to 6300.

http://www.compcams.com/Cam_Specs/Ca...csid=1086&sb=2
12-07-2008, 10:01 PM
mark21742

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Originally Posted by supaxero

comp cam has the xr269 that has an rpm range of 1300 to 6300.

http://www.compcams.com/Cam_Specs/Ca...csid=1086&sb=2

thans man!
12-09-2008, 06:59 AM
SOMbitch

C'mon man. Do at least a 220/224:woot: LOL
12-09-2008, 07:36 AM
mark21742

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Originally Posted by SOMbitch

C'mon man. Do at least a 220/224:woot: LOL

actually leaning toward 224/224, 224/228, or 228/228, just don't want to overrun my stall :dunno:
12-09-2008, 08:46 AM
SOMbitch

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark21742

actually leaning toward 224/224, 224/228, or 228/228, just don't want to overrun my stall :dunno:

I like it:devil:
12-09-2008, 08:59 AM
Bottesini

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Originally Posted by mark21742

actually leaning toward 224/224, 224/228, or 228/228, just don't want to overrun my stall :dunno:

I think you will be fine with any of those cams, and they are all proven performers (though I do prefer more on the exhaust side than the intake). I am by no means an stall expert, but I am sure there are others here that know them better then I.
12-09-2008, 05:40 PM
mark21742

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I think you will be fine with any of those cams, and they are all proven performers (though I do prefer more on the exhaust side than the intake). I am by no means an stall expert, but I am sure there are others here that know them better then I.

I could just go with a higher stall, but I noticed a big difference with this on over stock and like where it slips/hits. for what I want to do with the car I think a bigger stall hitting harder would cut down on twisty back road fun time.
after the cam, about the only thing I plan on doing for is pickingup a set of stock 243s, porting/polishing them myself and nothing else for awhile.
12-16-2008, 12:02 AM
NewYawk WS6

Okay so ive decided to go with the Vrx4 cam from vengeance racing. 228/230 .588/.592 112 LSA. 1900-6700 RPM Power Band. Im going to upgrade my valvesprings and pushrods along with the cam swap. Decided on Comp 928 springs and just need a little help on choosing pushrods. The lengths go from 7.350-7.500. Supporting Mods are LT Headers, Catted Y Pipe (no mufflers), CAI, upgraded clutch and pro 5.0.
12-16-2008, 05:14 AM
Bottesini

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Originally Posted by NewYawk WS6

Okay so ive decided to go with the Vrx4 cam from vengeance racing. 228/230 .588/.592 112 LSA. 1900-6700 RPM Power Band. Im going to upgrade my valvesprings and pushrods along with the cam swap. Decided on Comp 928 springs and just need a little help on choosing pushrods. The lengths go from 7.350-7.500. Supporting Mods are LT Headers, Catted Y Pipe (no mufflers), CAI, upgraded clutch and pro 5.0.

Good choice, if I did not put so many miles on the Camaro every day I would probably have gotten something very close to that. What I have is not that far off. Call Vengeance up, ask them what pushrod they recommend. Personally, I am running the stockers, since I would rather bend a push rod, than keep the valve open. The only real reason I would change my pushrods is if I need a different length to get the proper geometry.
12-16-2008, 07:37 PM
NewYawk WS6

okay thanks yeaa this cam seems perfect for me how about a tune is it neccessary to get one asap after tha cam is installed? and also installation about how much am i looking at?
12-16-2008, 07:55 PM
Bottesini

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewYawk WS6

okay thanks yeaa this cam seems perfect for me how about a tune is it neccessary to get one asap after tha cam is installed? and also installation about how much am i looking at?

Yes a tune for that cam is a must. Install prices can vary alot depending on your area. Think my shop down here was 1300 for everything including parts. RPM always cuts good deals though. My guess is for the install only around 800ish would be the norm.
12-17-2008, 04:41 AM
majidZ/28

hi gays I`have new camshaft,
lsa118 629-644/217-230

thats nice!!
12-17-2008, 07:14 AM
TRANS-DAD

nothing better to say?......... what a dick head!!!
12-18-2008, 12:54 AM
majidZ/28

what u say??
12-18-2008, 01:00 AM
mark21742

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Originally Posted by TRANS-DAD

nothing better to say?......... what a dick head!!!

lol I think he had a big typo
12-18-2008, 07:30 AM
SOMbitch

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Good choice, if I did not put so many miles on the Camaro every day I would probably have gotten something very close to that. What I have is not that far off. Call Vengeance up, ask them what pushrod they recommend. Personally, I am running the stockers, since I would rather bend a push rod, than keep the valve open. The only real reason I would change my pushrods is if I need a different length to get the proper geometry.

You really need to do hardened PR's when you do higher lift/agressive lobe cam. The problem with stockers is the flex causing valvetrain instability when you go to higher rpm's and stiffer springs ( more seat pressure).
12-18-2008, 07:52 AM
Bottesini

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Originally Posted by SOMbitch

You really need to do hardened PR's when you do higher lift/agressive lobe cam. The problem with stockers is the flex causing valvetrain instability when you go to higher rpm's and stiffer springs ( more seat pressure).

It is a debatable point, about how much the stockers flex, nor do I really want to see this topic completely derailed on the subject. Many people change and many people keep the same (like me car sees 6700 RPM fine), and the only disadvantage for hardened is they won't bend but push the valve into the piston instead. That only should happen if something like a really bad missing of gear.

More importantly then stock vs hardened imho is to have the proper geometry. The easiest way to find out what you need is ask the person who sold you the cam, or measure when you do the install.

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