Challenge What???6.1 WHAT!!

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11-25-2008, 01:46 PM
VENOMOUS

Challenge What???6.1 WHAT!!

Yep you guessed it, I smashed ass on a 09 6.1 liter 6 speed Challenger! It was at the track and was in every way a fair race. Both of our 60s sucked ass at 2.00 and 2.03 but after that I left him in my mirror with me running a 12.7@ 114.5 and him a measly 13.04 at 104. The crowd was so hyped about this race and I knew noone in that crowd. The die hard Mopar fanatics were sreaming at the top of their lungs for the Challenger driver to " SHOW UP THAT PONTIAC" and I kinda thought " damn is this car that bad ass" , don't get me wrong, I think they look like sex on a waterbed with baby oil, they are very underpowered or overweight. ANyways thought I'd share the times and let all know that those cars are fun to whoop ass on!!!!
By the way I am cam only 346, so yes it was a fair race.
11-25-2008, 01:53 PM
Mean Green Z28

Good one!!!
11-25-2008, 06:26 PM
Cayenne97

Good kill! Yeah their overweight.
11-25-2008, 06:28 PM
1 RedHot TransAm

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Originally Posted by Cayenne97

Good kill! Yeah their overweight.

ya they are dinosaurs
11-25-2008, 06:31 PM
mbrownin

Since you say 6.1L, I assume that's an SRT-8 model. Was he stock? If he was, then I'd say he'd win most of the time in a stock for stock race.
11-25-2008, 06:33 PM
99formulals1

i have been wondering how fast those really are, thanks for sharing.
11-25-2008, 06:33 PM
Cayenne97

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Originally Posted by mbrownin

Since you say 6.1L, I assume that's an SRT-8 model. Was he stock? If he was, then I'd say he'd win most of the time in a stock for stock race.

Stock for stock maybe, but not against the OP's 114mph trap.
11-25-2008, 06:38 PM
blue02Z

niggah please!!!

:lol::jk:

good kill bro i wish you had a vid
11-25-2008, 08:55 PM
05gtoautoX

I seriously doubt they're "underpowered" They are heavy but running a 13.04 stock is not that slow, I'll bet with just a set of DRs he would have pulled a high 12 with ease. What does a stock LS-1 f-body run? mid to low 13s? If so does that make them heavy or underpowered? I doubt it. And there's alot of "cam only" LS-1 f-bods running 11s, do you have a very mild cam? I'm not a mopar fan boy or anything but to assume the SRT-8 challenger is heavy and underpowered when it runs a 13 flat bone stock is ridiculous when your "Lightweight overpowered" F-body runs mid to low 13s stock.
11-26-2008, 10:03 AM
third_shift|studios

so prettymuch it went like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSGYtRGMAR0
11-26-2008, 11:44 AM
wooddaniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbrownin

Since you say 6.1L, I assume that's an SRT-8 model. Was he stock? If he was, then I'd say he'd win most of the time in a stock for stock race.

It's still a driver's race. The Challenger SRT8 is within 2 tenths of a stock LS1
11-26-2008, 12:29 PM
99 Kobra

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Originally Posted by 05gtoautoX

I seriously doubt they're "underpowered" They are heavy but running a 13.04 stock is not that slow, I'll bet with just a set of DRs he would have pulled a high 12 with ease. What does a stock LS-1 f-body run? mid to low 13s? If so does that make them heavy or underpowered? I doubt it. And there's alot of "cam only" LS-1 f-bods running 11s, do you have a very mild cam? I'm not a mopar fan boy or anything but to assume the SRT-8 challenger is heavy and underpowered when it runs a 13 flat bone stock is ridiculous when your "Lightweight overpowered" F-body runs mid to low 13s stock.

Well, it weighs over 4,000 lbs. ENOUGH SAID!
11-26-2008, 01:49 PM
shady milkman

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Originally Posted by VENOMOUS

Yep you guessed it, I smashed ass on a 09 6.1 liter 6 speed Challenger! It was at the track and was in every way a fair race. Both of our 60s sucked ass at 2.00 and 2.03 but after that I left him in my mirror with me running a 12.7@ 114.5 and him a measly 13.04 at 104. The crowd was so hyped about this race and I knew noone in that crowd. The die hard Mopar fanatics were sreaming at the top of their lungs for the Challenger driver to " SHOW UP THAT PONTIAC" and I kinda thought " damn is this car that bad ass" , don't get me wrong, I think they look like sex on a waterbed with baby oil, they are very underpowered or overweight. ANyways thought I'd share the times and let all know that those cars are fun to whoop ass on!!!!
By the way I am cam only 346, so yes it was a fair race.

give that Chal srt-8 the same spec cam you got and re run him.
11-26-2008, 01:49 PM
shady milkman

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Originally Posted by 99 Kobra

Well, it weighs over 4,000 lbs. ENOUGH SAID!

troof
11-26-2008, 02:20 PM
CJREX

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Originally Posted by third_shift|studios

so prettymuch it went like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSGYtRGMAR0

Looks like the Challenger basically gave up after the T/A smoked him so bad outta the hole. :yup:
11-26-2008, 02:51 PM
TransAm11973

they are not weak engines by any means....they are just waay too heavy. We get them shipped in eveyday where I work. they could be fast as hell if chrysler wasnt full of a bunch of retard assholes who dont know how to make a car light.......there is no excuse for making that car as heavy as they did
11-26-2008, 04:54 PM
SouthernBornThriller

True about the heavy argument.

Yes, they run similar/slightly faster times to our stock f-bodys, but they also have roughly 100 more horsepower. What does an f-body that's putting out 425 hp run, eh?

Those cars are stupidly heavy. This was proven by that suspension package that came out a couple months ago stiffening them up and shaving 400 lbs off their weight.

They'll be scary in a year or two when they are reasonably priced and the aftermarket scene has gotten ahold of them better and lightened them up.

Until then...meh. I'll keep my f-body.
11-26-2008, 05:54 PM
zero_proto

The muscle car wars are just starting
11-26-2008, 07:51 PM
TransAm11973

i hope
11-26-2008, 08:39 PM
cuzimoto

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Originally Posted by CJREX

Looks like the Challenger basically gave up after the T/A smoked him so bad outta the hole. :yup:

Great kill, butt i have to agree, think he gave up trying after he knew the gig was up. Trap speed way to slow to support rest of the numbers.
11-26-2008, 09:03 PM
shady milkman

i am soooo tired of this heavy b.s......the new cars comming out are heavy for 1 fact..safety regulations....heavy = more material..more material= more money..car companies dont like that.....you wonder why the gto and the new maro weight in so much? saftey..these cars arent based on some 40 year old platform and we got lucky to get away with 3600lbs ourselves in our f-bodies. The only way to keep things light are to spend more money on lightweight material then to make it heavy..and for a car that is not its bluechip supercar..its not economically viable
11-27-2008, 08:12 AM
WILDKARDBOYZ

well i had one pull behind me last night and hell i thought there were pretty fast for what they are i'm far from stock but that challenger pulled pretty hard i still pulled from the car but hey i was impressed with the way that car pulled i think if you put a stock camaro against a stock challenger it would be a good race good kill though long live the z
11-28-2008, 09:53 PM
99Wraith

This is pretty much simple math. Look at the power to weight ratio for each car. 13.04 is much faster than I've seen the local SRT-8's running.
11-28-2008, 11:18 PM
camarojunky74

yeah i have never seen a srt8 break a 13.5 at my local track, and btw, my stock 02 ss ran 12.89 @110 on dr's so dont give me stock ls1 are mid 13 cars, with a bunch of dumb kids behind the wheel yes but with a driver worth a damn and a car running right their is no excuse to run a mid 13 near sea level

good kill op
11-29-2008, 05:35 AM
shady milkman

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Originally Posted by camarojunky74

yeah i have never seen a srt8 break a 13.5 at my local track, and btw, my stock 02 ss ran 12.89 @110 on dr's so dont give me stock ls1 are mid 13 cars, with a bunch of dumb kids behind the wheel yes but with a driver worth a damn and a car running right their is no excuse to run a mid 13 near sea level

good kill op

dr's arent stock. with out those drs you'd be in the low -mid 13s
11-29-2008, 07:30 AM
hutch1999

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Originally Posted by shady milkman

dr's arent stock. with out those drs you'd be in the low -mid 13s

i do remember the first srt8 challenger the tested in HR i think, and the put intake, exhaust, and Dr's and it still only ran a 13 flat converted from a 1/8 tho.
11-30-2008, 09:19 AM
shady milkman

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Originally Posted by hutch1999

i do remember the first srt8 challenger the tested in HR i think, and the put intake, exhaust, and Dr's and it still only ran a 13 flat converted from a 1/8 tho.

:( hmm thats sad..
11-30-2008, 09:40 AM
camarojunky74

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Originally Posted by shady milkman

dr's arent stock. with out those drs you'd be in the low -mid 13s

get me on a prepped track back east, and not hear in so cal, on a track that only gets used 3 times a year, and i bet ill do it again on my toyo tires.
11-30-2008, 12:33 PM
shady milkman

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Originally Posted by camarojunky74

get me on a prepped track back east, and not hear in so cal, on a track that only gets used 3 times a year, and i bet ill do it again on my toyo tires.

hmm well good luck. :yup:
11-30-2008, 05:20 PM
slpdablueZ28

ive been dieing to run into a challenger. ive seen a couple driving around here but always on the wrong side of the road. shit maybe ill just pull a u one time lol
12-02-2008, 06:40 PM
bertt23

they look reallly nice but the hennesey with 550hp runs 11.92
12-04-2008, 08:26 AM
VENOMOUS

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Originally Posted by shady milkman

give that Chal srt-8 the same spec cam you got and re run him.

Now Shady... Cmon he's a fuckin 6.1 liter vs. my 5.7. Cam profile doesn't equivlilate to cubic inches??
12-04-2008, 08:28 AM
VENOMOUS

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Originally Posted by mbrownin

Since you say 6.1L, I assume that's an SRT-8 model. Was he stock? If he was, then I'd say he'd win most of the time in a stock for stock race.

He was an SRT8 and he claimed it to be one of the first available 6 speeds with a 6.1 liter. He was also on drag radials. Stock for stock my ass, he weighs almost 500 lbs more, like I weigh 700 lbs more than a C6, and an ls1 can run a 12.99 stock w/out drag radials.
12-04-2008, 08:29 AM
VENOMOUS

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Originally Posted by third_shift|studios

so prettymuch it went like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSGYtRGMAR0

Exacry!!!
12-04-2008, 08:33 AM
VENOMOUS

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Originally Posted by SouthernBornThriller

True about the heavy argument.

Yes, they run similar/slightly faster times to our stock f-bodys, but they also have roughly 100 more horsepower. What does an f-body that's putting out 425 hp run, eh?

Those cars are stupidly heavy. This was proven by that suspension package that came out a couple months ago stiffening them up and shaving 400 lbs off their weight.

They'll be scary in a year or two when they are reasonably priced and the aftermarket scene has gotten ahold of them better and lightened them up.

Until then...meh. I'll keep my f-body.

They may crank 425 but to the wheels more like 365 and I've seen more than my share of STOCK LS1s put down 330-350 many times and run 12.9 with a shitty DA and no stickys. We added long tubes and header and hit 12.5 at 108. So yes DODGE SUCKS!!
12-04-2008, 08:36 AM
VENOMOUS

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Originally Posted by camarojunky74

yeah i have never seen a srt8 break a 13.5 at my local track, and btw, my stock 02 ss ran 12.89 @110 on dr's so dont give me stock ls1 are mid 13 cars, with a bunch of dumb kids behind the wheel yes but with a driver worth a damn and a car running right their is no excuse to run a mid 13 near sea level

good kill op

THAT'S WHAT I"M SAYIN'!! The fact that it's a six-speed manual is what gave him his 13.04 and having Sticky Mickeys!!
12-04-2008, 08:50 AM
mbrownin

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Originally Posted by VENOMOUS

He was an SRT8 and he claimed it to be one of the first available 6 speeds with a 6.1 liter. He was also on drag radials. Stock for stock my ass, he weighs almost 500 lbs more, like I weigh 700 lbs more than a C6, and an ls1 can run a 12.99 stock w/out drag radials.

I said "if he was stock". With DR's, he obviously wasn't. My point was that any stock car that can run 13.04 will beat a stock LS1 f-body most of the time. Most stock LS1 f-bodies (are there any left?) can't run a 12.99.

And you don't weigh 700 lbs. more than a C6.
12-04-2008, 01:51 PM
shady milkman

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Originally Posted by VENOMOUS

Now Shady... Cmon he's a fuckin 6.1 liter vs. my 5.7. Cam profile doesn't equivlilate to cubic inches??

a nasty 5.7 will own a stock 6.1 ..period the cam takes the 6.1 out of the picture
12-04-2008, 01:53 PM
VENOMOUS

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Originally Posted by mbrownin

I said "if he was stock". With DR's, he obviously wasn't. My point was that any stock car that can run 13.04 will beat a stock LS1 f-body most of the time. Most stock LS1 f-bodies (are there any left?) can't run a 12.99.

And you don't weigh 700 lbs. more than a C6.

Enlighten me on how you've never seen or heard of a stock ( yes on sticky tires) otherwise stock LS1 breaking into 12.**? There are plenty especially the ones with a good DA to race in.
And yes, by the scales at CAterpillar weigh station my WS6 is 386 lbs heavier than my buddies 2006 ZO6. Where do your facts come from? My car was at 3503 his at 3117. I agree it's not the exagerated 700 lbs but it is 400. That equals two heavy men riding with me as I race him!
12-04-2008, 05:09 PM
mbrownin

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Originally Posted by VENOMOUS

Enlighten me on how you've never seen or heard of a stock ( yes on sticky tires) otherwise stock LS1 breaking into 12.**? There are plenty especially the ones with a good DA to race in.
And yes, by the scales at CAterpillar weigh station my WS6 is 386 lbs heavier than my buddies 2006 ZO6. Where do your facts come from? My car was at 3503 his at 3117. I agree it's not the exagerated 700 lbs but it is 400. That equals two heavy men riding with me as I race him!

If your 700 lbs. was an exaggeration, sorry I didn't catch that, being as the 500 lbs figure you used in the same sentence is pretty accurate. So, do sticky tires eliminate the "stock" tag or not? Never said I had never heard of a stock LS1 breaking into the 12's. But for every "stock" LS1 that breaks into the 12's, there's 10 (or more) other ones that can't reach the 13.04 mark. Note I did say "most" of the time.

I stand by my statement that a 13.04 time will beat a stock LS1 most of the time. Not defending the Challenger SRT-8 here, just saying it generically. Which of my facts are you questioning?
12-04-2008, 06:55 PM
01ws6er

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Originally Posted by camarojunky74

get me on a prepped track back east, and not hear in so cal, on a track that only gets used 3 times a year, and i bet ill do it again on my toyo tires.

Hatboro, PA...They open up an old track once a year and do some kind of car show/drag race on it. Good luck though, cause I hear it's bumpy as hell!
12-05-2008, 06:37 AM
shady milkman

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbrownin

I stand by my statement that a 13.04 time will beat a stock LS1 most of the time. Not defending the Challenger SRT-8 here, just saying it generically. Which of my facts are you questioning?

:yup:
12-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Deuuuce

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Originally Posted by camarojunky74

get me on a prepped track back east, and not hear in so cal, on a track that only gets used 3 times a year, and i bet ill do it again on my toyo tires.

You won't trap 110mph stock. That would make yours the fastest in the country. But SRT-8s sure have... :)

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Originally Posted by cuzimoto

Great kill, butt i have to agree, think he gave up trying after he knew the gig was up. Trap speed way to slow to support rest of the numbers.

Agreed unless it's a gearing issue. Stockers when prepped properly (cooled down and no diagnostic 2-3 shift) will trap 108-110mph.
12-05-2008, 06:25 PM
qwk93ta

I watched an 08 Challenger SRT8 (completely stock) put down 358 RWHP on a dyno.
12-09-2008, 02:46 PM
camarojunky74

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbrownin

I said "if he was stock". With DR's, he obviously wasn't. My point was that any stock car that can run 13.04 will beat a stock LS1 f-body most of the time. Most stock LS1 f-bodies (are there any left?) can't run a 12.99.

And you don't weigh 700 lbs. more than a C6.

just because you have not seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist, i gurantee i will throw down a 12.99 on a prepped track with my toyo street tires, i did a 12.89 bone stock on nittos not exactly a decent tire.
12-09-2008, 02:49 PM
camarojunky74

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Originally Posted by Deuuuce

You won't trap 110mph stock. That would make yours the fastest in the country. But SRT-8s sure have... :)

Agreed unless it's a gearing issue. Stockers when prepped properly (cooled down and no diagnostic 2-3 shift) will trap 108-110mph.

lol you iggnorance is astounding much less is it surprising. my car has and does regularly trap 110 mph at the local strip.

yes its stock yes its a 6 speed, and no you cant drive it.

btw my car is not the fastest in the country, a guy has done 12.69 at 111 back east.
12-09-2008, 02:50 PM
camarojunky74

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwk93ta

I watched an 08 Challenger SRT8 (completely stock) put down 358 RWHP on a dyno.

i watched my stock 02 ss in 100 degree weather put down 340/350
12-09-2008, 03:59 PM
mbrownin

Quote:

Originally Posted by camarojunky74

just because you have not seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist, i gurantee i will throw down a 12.99 on a prepped track with my toyo street tires, i did a 12.89 bone stock on nittos not exactly a decent tire.

Damn, can't you fucking read? Note the part below that's bolded:

... My point was that any stock car that can run 13.04 will beat a stock LS1 f-body most of the time. Most stock LS1 f-bodies (are there any left?) can't run a 12.99. ...

"Most of the time" means there is a relatively small percentage that will run better than 13.04 stock. You're fortunate enough to have one of them.
12-10-2008, 07:25 AM
Deuuuce

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Originally Posted by camarojunky74

lol you iggnorance is astounding much less is it surprising. my car has and does regularly trap 110 mph at the local strip.

yes its stock yes its a 6 speed, and no you cant drive it.

btw my car is not the fastest in the country, a guy has done 12.69 at 111 back east.

BS on 110mph and more crap 12.69 @ 111mph. Funny how those little claims never made it to ls1tech.com.

You need to re-read the definition of "stock". That means off the showroom floor, stock filter, tires, EVERYTHING.
12-10-2008, 12:16 PM
Cayenne97

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Originally Posted by Deuuuce

BS on 110mph and more crap 12.69 @ 111mph. Funny how those little claims never made it to ls1tech.com.

You need to re-read the definition of "stock". That means off the showroom floor, stock filter, tires, EVERYTHING.

As far as showroom stock for a Camaro/Firebird 108mph is a realistic #. LS1 Corvettes have trapped 109-110 in stock fashion FWIW.
12-10-2008, 05:31 PM
Deuuuce

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Originally Posted by Cayenne97

As far as showroom stock for a Camaro/Firebird 108mph is a realistic #. LS1 Corvettes have trapped 109-110 in stock fashion FWIW.

I agree 100%
12-11-2008, 12:36 AM
wooddaniel

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Originally Posted by Cayenne97

As far as showroom stock for a Camaro/Firebird 108mph is a realistic #. LS1 Corvettes have trapped 109-110 in stock fashion FWIW.

I have to agree. I have owned 3 LS1's... two M6 and one auto and the fastest one stock was my 99 WS6 M6. 13.4 @ 107. Stock everything on the original tires. Not saying it cant happen though.

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