How much do you bench?

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

the hardcore version is a more indepth product because there are plenty of products have hit the market that have eclipsed the original formual of celltech. Muscle Tech is a really pompous company so the fact that they improved their product makes it "hardcore". Honestly, jus to save you some money dude.... I recommend you not use muscle tech products. They are a huge marketing scheme, and they pay for their advertising by having ultra high prices for their products. I sware by a company called Gaspari Nutrition and by shopping online their products are not only much cheaper but far superior to anything on the market. They are cutting edge. If for whatever reason you choose to not use Gaspari products, Bsn is a great company. I'm anti muscletech. They are all hype, and they use a bunch of pro bodybuilders to push their overpriced products. Gaspari Nutrition is a cutting edge company founded by a top bodybuilder of the late 80s and early 90s in Rich Gaspari. check their stuff out when you are done with the muscle tech stuff. Try their creatine product called sizeon and their nitric oxide supplement called superpump250. Good shit. Good prices.

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Thanks bro...i'll check them out. Cheaper and a better product is definately my thing:rockon:

Creatine Ethyl Ester has been proven to work for creatine monohydrate non responders. But there has since been a form of creatine that is even better then the CEE, this is called creatine gluconate. This is whats in the gaspari sizeon. Sizeon is the only product out right now that uses creatine gluconate. Trust me, muscletech isn't worth your time or money.

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Originally Posted by SeVeReDiStOrTiOn

Thanks bro...i'll check them out. Cheaper and a better product is definately my thing:rockon:

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just so it doesnt sound like i'm talking out of my ass, i have used muscletech products before. This is before I researched my choices. heres the website for gaspari www.gasparinutrition.com

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

just so it doesnt sound like i'm talking out of my ass, i have used muscletech products before. This is before I researched my choices. heres the website for gaspari www.gasparinutrition.com

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Do the sizeon tablets work as good as the powder...

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Originally Posted by SeVeReDiStOrTiOn

Do the sizeon tablets work as good as the powder...

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I don't have any experience with the tablets, but i've gone through 2 tubs of the powder and experienced excellent results. I can't see why the tablets would be a bad idea if you don't like to drink, drink mixes. I have it stuck in my mind that drinking a powder means its more efficiently absorbed in my system for some reason?

I hate powders. Pill form for me if applicable. Protein shakes are the only powders I really force myself to take.

i would assume the powder enters your system probably 5-8 minutes before the pill form does, other than that probably no difference

If its powder in a capsule, the capsule shell will be gone by the time it hits the stomach, plus all the liquid you used to flush it down...id say its the same.

I'm 49 and havent worked out with weights in about 17 years but I did bench 275 one time last year just to piss off my nephew, haha dont fuck with your uncle. Oh yeah, I was sore for about 2 weeks afterwards, not gonna do that shit again.

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

You may have had a pre-condition...maybe.

Chances are, yeah, your disk were herniated by the house building. All the lifting and twisting takes a huge toll on your core. When your core fatigues, the lifts become deadly.

When these problems first started to occur, were you working out too or was the house building career too time/energy consuming?

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I was not working out because it was so strenuous building houses. I was always pushing as hard as I could because I worked for my older brother who was very hard to make happy. I believe trying to build as fast as I could I wasnt lifting things properly which in turn caused my back problems. Back problems run in my family though-maybe It was innevitable.

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Originally Posted by BREAKxNECKxSPEED

I was not working out because it was so strenuous building houses. I was always pushing as hard as I could because I worked for my older brother who was very hard to make happy. I believe trying to build as fast as I could I wasnt lifting things properly which in turn caused my back problems. Back problems run in my family though-maybe It was innevitable.

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That could be the culprit right there, but that sort of work itself can definetly fuck your back up. Lots of twisting going on that are not necessarily expected.

Had you done some seperate workouts to strengthen your back, your work might not had been so detrimental to your back.

Some good core work wouldve helped and I am not talking about crunches..

You are right. If I had a strong core I would have been less prone to injury.

I do this exercise for my lower back, i can't actually think of the name of it, but its performed on this bench where your thighs rest on pads and you bend at the waist and raise your body with your lower back. Needless to say it really strengthens your lower back and I have ZERO back problems.

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

I do this exercise for my lower back, i can't actually think of the name of it, but its performed on this bench where your thighs rest on pads and you bend at the waist and raise your body with your lower back. Needless to say it really strengthens your lower back and I have ZERO back problems.

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back extension? i know but your tlaking about but the name escapes me as well... deadlifts i feel are more effective though because they work your entire core

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Originally Posted by derrinx

back extension? i know but your tlaking about but the name escapes me as well... deadlifts i feel are more effective though because they work your entire core

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I do that exercise in addition to deadlifts BUT I was referring to that exercise because of the guy with the aformentioned back problems. Deadlifts normally aren't good for guys with back problems. back extension sounds like a good name for it lol i'll call it that lol

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

I do that exercise in addition to deadlifts BUT I was referring to that exercise because of the guy with the aformentioned back problems. Deadlifts normally aren't good for guys with back problems. back extension sounds like a good name for it lol i'll call it that lol

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haha so it's settled

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

the hardcore version is a more indepth product because there are plenty of products have hit the market that have eclipsed the original formual of celltech. Muscle Tech is a really pompous company so the fact that they improved their product makes it "hardcore". Honestly, jus to save you some money dude.... I recommend you not use muscle tech products. They are a huge marketing scheme, and they pay for their advertising by having ultra high prices for their products. I sware by a company called Gaspari Nutrition and by shopping online their products are not only much cheaper but far superior to anything on the market. They are cutting edge. If for whatever reason you choose to not use Gaspari products, Bsn is a great company. I'm anti muscletech. They are all hype, and they use a bunch of pro bodybuilders to push their overpriced products. Gaspari Nutrition is a cutting edge company founded by a top bodybuilder of the late 80s and early 90s in Rich Gaspari. check their stuff out when you are done with the muscle tech stuff. Try their creatine product called sizeon and their nitric oxide supplement called superpump250. Good shit. Good prices.

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sorry but im gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you here 310 (even though you def know a ton more than me lol) of all the shake supplements out there that i've tried (designer whey, muscle milk, optimum nutrition whey, bsn syntha 6 (only on syntha 6 for less than two weeks though), and nitrotech hardcore) nitrotech hardcore is by far my favorite. i was on all of those supplemenbts for at least 2 months through out the past year and a half and i noticed the most imporvements all around on nitrotech hardcore. it does has creatine in it which is kinda cheating for a whey powder so that def helped me, but overall i still think it was the best...and i got it for crazy cheap like 32 shipped for a 4 pound jug too.. so it really depends on your personal preference, try different things from different manufacturers until you find something that works and then stick with it

and as far as regular whey powders go, i think ON whey is the best...its cheap, has great stuff in it and it works pretty well

edit:but nothing beats the taste of muscle milk haha i was actually looking forward to drinking my shake afetr my workouts when iw as on that stuff...damnn.. but yeah its really over priced and didnt do much

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Originally Posted by derrinx

sorry but im gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you here 310 (even though you def know a ton more than me lol) of all the shake supplements out there that i've tried (designer whey, muscle milk, optimum nutrition whey, bsn syntha 6 (only on syntha 6 for less than two weeks though), and nitrotech hardcore) nitrotech hardcore is by far my favorite. i was on all of those supplemenbts for at least 2 months through out the past year and a half and i noticed the most imporvements all around on nitrotech hardcore. it does has creatine in it which is kinda cheating for a whey powder so that def helped me, but overall i still think it was the best...and i got it for crazy cheap like 32 shipped for a 4 pound jug too.. so it really depends on your personal preference, try different things from different manufacturers until you find something that works and then stick with it

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never said muscletech products dont work at all, but i did say they were overrated and expensive. i've never heard of someone getting that good of a deal on it

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Originally Posted by derrinx

and as far as regular whey powders go, i think ON whey is the best...its cheap, has great stuff in it and it works pretty well

edit:but nothing beats the taste of muscle milk haha i was actually looking forward to drinking my shake afetr my workouts when iw as on that stuff...damnn.. but yeah its really over priced and didnt do much

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optimum nutritions 100 percent whey is the best there is for the money. Thats what I use. muscle milk tastes so good because its loaded with sugar. It'll make you bloat and look fat if you arent naturally lean.