it dont look too bad to me...
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it dont look too bad to me...
so it would be acceptable to rice a base modle out then??? maybe some 30" rims or some shit??? (not saying that anything ricey was done to that car)Quote:
Originally Posted by justinmc978
base firebird, come on now. who are you trying to fool: yourself or the rest of us?
you can see on the doors it says "Trans Am". coupled with the side skirts, rear bumper. Sure the front bumper has been modified over the normal TA's, but it adds up to it not being a base model firebird.
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Originally Posted by justinmc978
I see no resemblence? (other than maybe similar weight)
all i see is:
for the record, I dont hate the 5th gens, I dont love them either.
now that is a thing of pure beauty and inspiration..
:werd: for both pictures!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ibanez7
yes, people tend to do what they wish with cars that they purchase. Though someone who wants 30" wheels is probably living off of your income taxQuote:
Originally Posted by Spaz
base trans am, not a ws6 or firehawkQuote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
i don't see it that way... even a v6 riced out would cause an outrage of "WTF!!! die in a fire!!!" posts...Quote:
Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx
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Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx
there is no base trans am... base firebird would be a v6... ;)
:shrug: Heritage and pride doesn't really matter in a scenario like this, in the end, it's just a car. To get to the point, even though the 5th gen is a better engineered car than it's predecessors by a longshot when it comes to suspension, chassis, interior etc., I still feel as if it's the absolute worst pony car ever produced by GM. It's terrible looking, too heavy, and the interior layout and quality really lack when compared to it's current competitors, doesn't really perform that great for what it is either, which is mostly due to it's weight. To add, while the interior does consist of more innovative and useful features than the previous generations, the overall quality of the materials used aren't really a whole lot better.Quote:
Originally Posted by stolenthunder
I sense a tad bit of bitterness in you regarding this car. I don't understand it, but you're entitled to it.
Remember, the survival of our breed is crucial here. We're facing legal/political threats that weren't even thought of back when the Camaro was introduced. 5thgen Camaro may not be your taste in aesthetics but it at least ensures public interest, public support and helps to make sure that our kind of musclecars don't go extinct or get regulated out of existence in the US. Like it or not, the Mustang is still in production, wide circulation and it also serves this purpose. In that sense it's beautiful to me too. But this one isn't a mustang. As f-body folks, it's "ours"- it's our take on the musclecar- our heritage- our next generation.
It gives a face, a "living" breathing example to remind people every day why we love these cars and why there is a place for them.
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There should not be another Trans Am because it's going to come out as another lame retro remake, just like the Camaro. I don't understand why people want to see Pontiac come back, it won't be the same company it was before. Just let it die.
or it will be the same company as before and die again. G5s, g6s, suvs, etc.
Highlighted the key parts of your paragraphs for emphasis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transamws6
Here is where we're going to go extinct and get regulated out of existence if we don't watch our back. The survival of our hobby is about just that- survival. IMO, the 80's IROC Camaros were hideous. But guess what? They lead to the late 90's-00's versions that were, IMO beautiful. What if a group of people had decided in 1997 that the WS6 was ugly and that it should not be produced any more? We would've never seen the 98-2002's.
Add to that logic the fact that we have political groups actively seeking to destroy our hobby and take muscle cars off of the road. Including yours. We need all of the pony cars that we can get- we need them on the road, we need them in production. Whether they're ugly, heavy, whatever. They are still an asset to OUR side- to OUR hobby. At least their existence and popularity helps to ensure that future generations will have a chance to drive the kind of cars that we love so much. At least the Ford/Chevy brands can exist to compete with eachother...at least the brands can legally exist so that they can be aesthetical overhaulled. That's way, way easier for us to make happen than the repeal of a legislative ban that is supported by popular opinion.
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I understand your point and where you're coming from. I'm actually in agreement with you on this one man, can't really find much to argue about :lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by stolenthunder
Based on the sales numbers, few did like the 98-02 cars.
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Originally Posted by Transamws6
I knew we'd see eye to eye :D
...his words...Quote:
Originally Posted by justinmc978
he said base model. to me the base model is a v6 firebird. if he had said a TA, i would not have replied in the form i did.Quote:
Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx
a TA is an upgrade from the v8 formula, which is a direct upgrade from the v6 firebird.
Spaz gets it! :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaz
If Pontiac came back, and built a 5th gen Firebird/Trans Am, and did a 67/68 nose, would that be better than the current conversion kits out there? I ask since no one likes the "Bandit" nose. I, myself, would rather have a 5th-gen Firehawk conversion than the
G8 "Firehawk".
before a much rarer model yes... also like you said, that car wasn't bad,Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaz
base model trans am.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
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Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx
no a base model trans am is a trans am with out all the extra goodies like bigger wheels, ramair, better suspension, gearing, etc. is it really that hard of a concept to grasp? it's not like you can have a WS6/Firehawk V6 firebird people c'mon...:toetap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaz
Justin...
HE DID NOT SAY BASE TRANS AM...holy crap!!! :slap:
i quoted exactly what he said. a base model firebird is infact the v6 model. END OF DISCUSSION
now, back on topic...
Not every 3800 f-body is considered a base car..;) Especially if the 3800 car has more options than a "base" ls1 car.. No thread jack.. That's just how it really is..
I AM THE ONE WHO SAID IT...HERP DERP, ALL CAPSQuote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
check again, I never said it was a firebird, who in their right mind would think that was a firebird?
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i know you never said "firebird". i never said you did...you did say base model. base model is a firebird. there is not such thing as a base TA. it's a trim package order option, (an RPO code), an option selected in addition to a base model firebird to upgrade it to a TA.
why is this so hard for you to grasp? are you really this challenged, mentally dense, or do you simply lack the knowledge? what exactly? help us all to understand...herp derp...
your emocons really show your age. so yeah, its shows what type of person we're dealing with here. so i highly suspect what multiple people have said in addition to what i have, will ever sink in.
im done dealing with you, but no doubt you will feel the need for the last word to justify whatever it is you feel you need to, so go ahead. it should be a good 'informative' read.
as i said before...back on topic please.
