Basically your downshifting. After you let the clutch out, you are using less gas!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Spaz
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Basically your downshifting. After you let the clutch out, you are using less gas!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Spaz
I don't use the clutch to slow me down. Thats a good way to wear it out quickly.
I rev match into each gear as I'm slowing down, and when I want to stop, I apply the brakes. That way the clutch doesn't wear, the engine slows me down, and I don't have to ride the brakes :)
double clutch rev match downshift.
What are you double clutching?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldladykiller
what, should i not DC?Quote:
Originally Posted by 9t8z28
It all depends on what your driving!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldladykiller
mmm i just hear its easier on the synchros and what not. i dont have a manual car right now so i cant be specific on what i am DCing.
Don't double clutch a newer passenger vehicle. It is not required and disengaging/engaging the clutch twice as often is simply not good to do on an ongoing basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldladykiller
If you are an idiot and use the synchros to bring the input shaft/engine up to speed, then yes it does a lot a damage to the synchros. If you double clutch, i.e. clutch in --> neutral---> clutch out ---> rev match ---> clutch in ---> grab gear ---> clutch out then the abuse to the synchros is similar to upshifting. In otherwords minimal. If you just clutch in ---> rev match ---> downshift ---> clutch out at least you are just using the synchros to bring the input shaft up to speed. If you dont rev match at all you deserve to fry your transmission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zboner
Unless I dont have time (coming into a turn fast) or I am trying to save time (come into a turn faster than i can double clutch) I NEVER rely on the synchros to pick up the slack.
BC
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Originally Posted by tnthub
How do you figure? that clutch will last a lot longer than stock synchros will in almost any manual transmission you find on the market today. A new clutch is a lot easier and cheaper to replace than synchros are.
Just like brake pads are a lot cheaper and easier to replace than your clutch is.
In other words, despite my above post, its easier on your car to use your brakes. If you are like me and you like to be in gear as you approach a stop in case you need to move, then double clutching is the best way to minimize as much wear on your transmission as you can.
BC
i pretty much always engine brake first and then use the brakes.
Same here, except I have an auto, so after shifting into park at 60mph and leaving my trannys insides on the road behind me, I use the brakes to slow the last bit from 20mph to a stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1MileCrash
not completely...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldladykiller
all you people kill me with your double clutching and downshifting when there is no need for it, therfore i laugh at you :lol: BRAKES ARE CHEAPER THAN CLUTCHES to replace!!!
but hey if you care to replace you clutch many times over and get better at doing so over time (for having to do it so frequently), they by all means go for it. also, why not add to it transmission rebuilds since when you downshift you put added stress and strain on all the moving components on the drivetrain.
also the whole REV MATCH is being talked about because of the un-necessary need to continue to downshift. how many of you downshift all the way to 1st gear in order to stop? do you have any clue how much force and load you are putting on your drivetrain for no reason? it's just plain stupid to do that. :slap:
chances are you are all the same people who sit there at the stop light with the pedal to the floor, causing un-necessary wear on your throwout bearing, clutch disc, and pressure plate. think about it people, the only thing that is keeping your flywheel from continuously wearing down your clutch disc is a FEW THOUSANDTHS OF AN INCH!!!, but an uneven surface, installtion, or whatever will cause the glazing of your clutch disc but im sure all you 'experts' know that...:rock:
Brakes are made to stop the car, (slowing with gears also put alot more heat into the tranny) gears are made to make it go. Unless of course you road race, but then winning is what you are after. Making the components last a long time becomes secondary. Slowing with the clutch can be very hard on U joints and differentials. It aslo can induce ''wheel hop" if done improperly.
:dunno: i rev match... i've noticed no difference in driveline/clutch/syrncro ect ect wear at all... i'm an X truck driver... fuck double clutching... who ever does that that is not atleast 40+ years old has no idea what they are talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
Pretty much what I was going to say. The syncros are there for a reason, rev matching downshifts is fine for the trans/clutch in everyday driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaz
Guys, I think the main point here is that its much easier braking with the engine on a standard car than an automatic one.
:think: who would try that with an auto?Quote:
Originally Posted by 86 IROC-Z
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Originally Posted by Spaz