Does Nascar Suck ?

well you guys have compleatly left out drag boats! i love watching drag boats, dirt tracK cars, motorcross, snowmobile racing, monster trucks, motorcycle dirt track racing on harleys, crash up derby, school bus racing, 24 hour lemans, indy car racing, jr drag racing, jet ski racing.............ect.........ect.........
if you dont like nascar then go push each other around in you red flyer wagon. sarge is right! back in the days of petty, stewart, a.j. foyt those days are gone! a tire changer in the pits of a nascar race makes $100,000.00 a year. did you know a drag racer makes only 150,000.00 a year on avaerage. no matter which way you look at it will keep growing until it is flooded with too many rules and regulations and honda will have a nascar right beside a hyndai. i think they should leave the last american non import sport ALONE! i can belive that drift racing has become so popular that they are puting vipers and 70 mod camaro's in on it now. whatever:brick:

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Originally Posted by F-Bomb

well you guys have compleatly left out drag boats! i love watching drag boats, dirt tracK cars, motorcross, snowmobile racing, monster trucks, motorcycle dirt track racing on harleys, crash up derby, school bus racing, 24 hour lemans, indy car racing, jr drag racing, jet ski racing.............ect.........ect.........
if you dont like nascar then go push each other around in you red flyer wagon. sarge is right! back in the days of petty, stewart, a.j. foyt those days are gone! a tire changer in the pits of a nascar race makes $100,000.00 a year. did you know a drag racer makes only 150,000.00 a year on avaerage. no matter which way you look at it will keep growing until it is flooded with too many rules and regulations and honda will have a nascar right beside a hyndai. i think they should leave the last american non import sport ALONE! i can belive that drift racing has become so popular that they are puting vipers and 70 mod camaro's in on it now. whatever:brick:

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We have Drag Boat racing in Gasden... I havent seen one in person yet but i do get a glimps od them on SPEED and the OUTDOOR channel every now and then ..

NASCAR sucks because its an oxymoron.


Stock

Car

Racing


Someone wanna tell me what stock about these cars?

Id love to see STOCK vehicals out this with safety equipment and thats it.

Now I would LOVE that.

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Originally Posted by ssgtcarroll

NASCAR sucks because its an oxymoron.


Stock

Car

Racing


Someone wanna tell me what stock about these cars?

Id love to see STOCK vehicals out this with safety equipment and thats it.

Now I would LOVE that.

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you know a lot of peoplr think that .... but you would be watching FWD cars race , and 4 doors ... Who wants to see that ???

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Originally Posted by snaggeltooth

you know a lot of peoplr think that .... but you would be watching FWD cars race , and 4 doors ... Who wants to see that ???

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then they sure as hell shouldnt call it stock car racing.

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Originally Posted by ssgtcarroll

NASCAR sucks because its an oxymoron.


Stock

Car

Racing


Someone wanna tell me what stock about these cars?

Id love to see STOCK vehicals out this with safety equipment and thats it.

Now I would LOVE that.

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Evolution of the stock car: Part I
February 6, 2002
11:12 PM EST (0412 GMT)

Throughout the 53-year history of NASCAR, its race cars have been transformed from road-going, lumbering true "stock" cars into the sleek, technologically advanced machines that we see today on ultra-modern speedways. In tracing the evolution of the cars that we know today as the Winston Cup Series, it's necessary to go back to the beginnings of NASCAR and its "Strictly Stock Division."

It all started with races on the famed Daytona beach/road course in the late 1940's.

When NASCAR was formed in 1948, there was a definite shortage of new cars in the post-war era. The feeling was that race fans wouldn't stand for new cars being beat up on a race track while they were driving a rattletrap pre-war automobile, so "Modified" cars were the early staple of NASCAR racing.

However, in 1949, NASCAR president Bill France Sr. re-visited the idea of racing the cars that people actually drove on the street -- late model family sedans. Since no other racing organization had seized the idea, France figured it might take root and create added interest.



The success of the modern Winston Cup Series proves he was correct. From the racers' perspective, putting a race car together was not a high-dollar deal. If a brand-new Buick sold for about $4,000, due to the lack of modification that could be done to it, the car could be raced for very little more of an investment.

In some instances, rental cars were actually used as race cars by point-chasing drivers who had no locked-in "ride" for an event. Cars were typically either driven to the track or "flat-towed" behind pick-ups and family sedans.

Other than tweaking and tuning of the engine, nothing could be done to these early Strictly Stock cars. The window glass front, back and sides was intact. Ropes and aircraft harnesses were used as seat belts. Roll bars -- which were mandated in 1952 -- were neither required nor often installed.

One thing the strictly stock designation encouraged was a great diversity of manufacturers on the track. The first official Strictly Stock Division race had nine makes come to the line, including Buick, Cadillac, Chrysler, Ford, Hudson, Kaiser, Lincoln, Mercury and Oldsmobile.

Some of the biggest problems were tire; wheel and suspension failures brought on by stresses that were atypical of normal road use. These concerns brought about novel solutions such as one detailed by two-time Grand National (forerunner of Winston Cup) champion Tim Flock, who described a trap door in the floorboard of his race car that he could open with a chain to check right front tire wear.

"When the white cord was showing, we had about one or two laps left before the tire would blow," said Flock of the 'early-warning system.'

Due to the rough-surfaced dirt tracks that were predominant in the early days of the sport, the only modification that was allowed was a reinforcing steel plate on the right front wheel to prevent lug nuts from pulling through the rims on conventional wheels.

Otherwise, racing stock cars in the early days of the sport was very much a seat of the pants endeavor. But it was one that spawned innumerable legends of drivers who created them, literally, with their own hands, feet and indomitable wills and courage.

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Originally Posted by nhraformula

then they sure as hell shouldnt call it stock car racing.

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http://www.nascar.com/2002/kyn/histo...car/index.html

read and learn :yup:

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Originally Posted by nhraformula

then they sure as hell shouldnt call it stock car racing.

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I agree , but I dont think they will get away from the NASCAR name ...but they droped Winston Cup ...if someone comes along with a big enough check we may be watching the HOME DEPOT, Nextel Cup series ,,,,:yup:

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Originally Posted by rrgray8

http://www.nascar.com/2002/kyn/histo...car/index.html

read and learn :yup:

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well back then it was more stock than it is now.
those cars they have on the track, perform way different from what you buy in the show room.

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Originally Posted by nhraformula

well back then it was more stock than it is now.
those cars they have on the track, perform way different from what you buy in the show room.

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The stock cars back then performed alot different than the one's in the show room too. Tech has gone along way since back then or you would of seen alot of difference between show room cars and stock cars.;)

I like watching nascar when they race on street courses. Other then that its boring.


I prefer - formula F1/IRL/Cart, and the trans-am circuit like what the C5-R and C6-R race in. Drag racing is good too!

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Originally Posted by smokinjoe00ss

The stock cars back then performed alot different than the one's in the show room too. Tech has gone along way since back then or you would of seen alot of difference between show room cars and stock cars.;)

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my point is this, then or now, these fuckin cars are nowhere near stock.
calling it stock car racing is an outright lie.

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Originally Posted by nhraformula

my point is this, then or now, these fuckin cars are nowhere near stock.
calling it stock car racing is an outright lie.

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Yea I understand what your saying and your right they are not stock cars, but you really don't here the term stock car anymore it's mostly called nascar.

This is off subject a little bit but hear me out. I don't really like the super speedways like Talledega, Daytona, ect. but you really have to go and experiance it to get the full effect. There is nothing like standing by the fence on turn four of MIS when the cars are running 185+ three or four wide. The wind coming off the cars blows not only the hats off most of the people in the stands it will actually knock the drunk ones off their feet. I don't really like NASCAR of now either but you can't get rid of the safety features especially the restrictor plates. Rusty ran his car at Talledega a couple of years ago without them and I believe his average speed was 235+. These cars will not handle at those speeds especially 3 or 4 wide. Its one thing for drivers to die in a one car crash cus they know the danger of the sport, but it would really suck for people to die in a multi car crash when they just got cought up in something that someone else started.

I think back in the day before restrictor plates Bill Elliott ran the fastest lap at Talledege (2.5 miles) at an average speed of 213. The cars now will run 200+ on a 1.5 mile track like Atlanta or California, so the speeds are not that much different.

And to all of you who think the drivers of now don't know anything about cars I would have to say that you are very ignorent of where these guys start. They don't just up and run NASCAR one day cus they though it was a good idea. Most all of them started on the dirt tracks in the south and the midwest, and I can guarentee you that they didn't have the pit crews that they do now in NASCAR. If i was paying a pit crew to fix/set up my car the money that they do I would let them do the work too. Anyway, I know I was rambling there a little bit, jmho.

I don't ever watch NASCAR and can't get into it.

I'll take F1/CART/WRC/Rolex Series any day.

Try driving at the limit on a one lane dirt road with a mountain face on one side and a 300ft drop on the other.

That's exciting to me.

Nascar is just a bunch over paid rednecks

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Originally Posted by SS 2002 533HP

Does Nascar Suck ?

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Affirmative.

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Yes it does for us old farts. No it don't (obviously) for the young folks.
NASCAR has evolved from my hero's of Junior Johnson/Richard Petty/Bobby Issac/David Pearson and the likes....hard nosed, grease all over em, working on their own cars....no polish on any of those guys...just hard core gearheads....I called those guys race car guys.....Today we have pretty boys who don't know a spark plug from an oil filter....are paid millions to "advertise and pose for pictures"....I call em pussy's. But NASCAR is one big som bitch...more fans for sure than in the early 60's when maybe twice a year ABC Wide World of Sports would have a "blurb" on NASCAR.....and by the way...we all knew it as Stock Car Racing....didnt even know what in the hell a NASCAR was....So to sum it up....I don't think the old Stock Car Racing scene would survive in todays world of Paris Hilton and all the fame and glitz required from damn near anything to provide a fan base....so todays NASCAR is what you must have....all the pretty boys...and marketing hype...and 7X24X365 Speed Channel coverage and mini series of Life on the Road bullshit....
But ol Junior Johnson given a 2007 car and in his hey day would wipe the track with JR. and Tony Stewart and the likes....and then whip their ass in the pits if they had anything to say :) So no I dont like the glitter of todays NASCAR but I understand it.

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:bravo: could not say it better that this old man ;)

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Originally Posted by smokinjoe00ss

Yea I understand what your saying and your right they are not stock cars, but you really don't here the term stock car anymore it's mostly called nascar.

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that is a very good point ... NASCAR is a lot more than just Nextel Cup... which is basically what everyone is talking about ... And they are not called stock cars they are just called "Cup" cars ..and there is the whole 'car of tommorow ' thing .... So soon there will be very little left of the Car that most of us grew up on and loved .. The Winston Cup cars ...

Truck series still great. People might make fun of it but its great racing. Also cheap to go watch and you might meet one of the old guys. Say what you will about going in circles. Say its easy, It is , till you go fast. Then it isnt so easy. At least not for me.