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05-03-2008, 09:32 AM
tonyjnjz

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Originally Posted by KLEEMANN

Tony, thanks....it's an excellent question.:yup: Chevy was going to put a 4 rotor engine in the Corvette in the early 70s but the engine was an emissions PIG. And although the rotary was improved upon later, it remained an emissions pig for Chevrolet so Mazda remained the only manufacturer to clean it up adequately to meet CAFE standards here in the US. It was also too expensive to tool up by the big 3.... a lot of people & companies stood to lose quite a bit if the rotary became widespread. It's an Ok powerplant but it's not fuel efficient & remains an emissions pig. 1 company (Mazda) worked on it as a side job for ~ 40 yrs while the rest of the world has been refining piston technology for over 100 yrs....no way the rotary is going to compete with that R&D & resource budget. Hope this helps answer your query. Cheers.

it does actually ty......now in my boredom at work scrolling ebay i came across this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ksid=p3907.m29

a 12 cyl rotary engine .......in a PORSCHE!!! wtf ......has to be a typo...any info? i appologize if this is hijacking the thread a lil
05-03-2008, 09:37 AM
superchargedblackgto

BTW Kleeman....I'm not trying to be an @#$.....I just can't help myself....LOL:lol:....You do have a sharp looking car, looks good........just missing some tq, and cylinders.....LOL
Brad
05-03-2008, 09:45 AM
KLEEMANN

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Originally Posted by superchargedblackgto

BTW Kleeman....I'm not trying to be an @#$.....I just can't help myself....LOL:lol:....You do have a sharp looking car, looks good........just missing some tq, and cylinders.....LOL
Brad

Me either, I just can't help myself...LOL. You have a nice looking car as well it just can't handle and it weighs more than my house. LMAO :D

Hey, how about those dyno numbers? :cheers:
05-03-2008, 09:47 AM
tonyjnjz

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Originally Posted by KLEEMANN

Me either, I just can't help myself...LOL. You have a nice looking car as well it just can't handle and it weighs more than my house. LMAO

Hey, how about those dyno numbers? :D

ooooooooo ouch!!! lol
05-03-2008, 09:51 AM
superchargedblackgto

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Originally Posted by KLEEMANN

Me either, I just can't help myself...LOL. You have a nice looking car as well it just can't handle and it weighs more than my house. LMAO :D

Hey, how about those dyno numbers? :cheers:

they looked good, You like Mine?:flex:....and a "true" muscle car overcomes the weight with hp:kick:....LOL:cheers:
05-03-2008, 09:54 AM
superchargedblackgto

BTW this is what it's supposed to look like, and sound like.....LOL
http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s...tovids3003.flv
http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=gtovids2.flv
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...o/IMG_0358.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...o/IMG_0360.jpg
05-03-2008, 11:01 AM
superchargedblackgto

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLEEMANN

Me either, I just can't help myself...LOL. You have a nice looking car as well it just can't handle and it weighs more than my house. LMAO :D

Hey, how about those dyno numbers? :cheers:

AS far as handling.....You better look that up and get back to me......LOL:yup:
05-03-2008, 04:23 PM
Tnhillbilly

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Originally Posted by KLEEMANN

The '85 GSLSEs are rare....the first RX-7 with the 13B. Dude - you had a rare one (the best first Gen made). Oh well, there are plenty of other cars that are fun (you've got one!) - it's just transpo anyway. I've got my eye on a new ZR1 (yellow, like my RX-7, of course!). Rock on!:drivin:

Thanks! The ZR1 is a damn sweet ride! I hope ya get one, if so post it up for us to drool over!

Whats the best bang for the buck regarding the RX-7.?

FC Convertible, 1988 Anniversary, S4 turbo, S5 Turbo just mentioning a few.
05-03-2008, 04:35 PM
Tnhillbilly

As far as handling goes, I would guess the 1994 RX7 has better skidpad numbers than the GTO or any of the f-bodies.
05-03-2008, 04:40 PM
KLEEMANN

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Originally Posted by superchargedblackgto

AS far as handling.....You better look that up and get back to me......LOL:yup:

I saw your dyno. With that power - you would be looking at my rear.

As for handling, I track my RX-7 at Laguna Seca - your GTO would likely be wall paper by turn 3. Your street car would not last 2 laps (your brakes would be mush - assuming you didn't hit a wall first).

Just for grins, I looked up the new & improved 2008 model stats. It pulled a tire shredding, hold on to your chair folks, .84Gs on the skidpad. This was only to be surpassed by a 62.9 mph slalom.:sillyme: Put it this way, the R1 RX-7 pulled a 1.01G & a obtained 71 mph slalom.....FIFTEEN years ago on 16"/225 inferior/dated VR rubber. My car (modified a bit) has lost 150 lbs, sits an inch lower, has 17"/275 ZR rubber, thicker front & rear ASBs....I could go on, but suffice it to say - it's a track car.

You have a nice blown GTO. It just wouldn't be up to the task, in any performance category, against my FD (not that it really matters - just pointing out a few things).
05-03-2008, 04:47 PM
KLEEMANN

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Originally Posted by Slushdawg

As far as handling goes, I would guess the 1994 RX7 has better skidpad numbers than the GTO or any of the f-bodies.

You are correct, but the '93 R1 handled better than any RX-7 produced - it was a "track god" when it was released.

http://www.fd3s.net/magazine_article...article02.html
05-03-2008, 09:21 PM
KLEEMANN

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Originally Posted by superchargedblackgto

BTW this is what it's supposed to look like, and sound like.....LOL
http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s...tovids3003.flv
http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=gtovids2.flv

I love the sound of that car...
05-04-2008, 01:22 AM
superchargedblackgto

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLEEMANN

I saw your dyno. With that power - you would be looking at my rear.

As for handling, I track my RX-7 at Laguna Seca - your GTO would likely be wall paper by turn 3. Your street car would not last 2 laps (your brakes would be mush - assuming you didn't hit a wall first).

Just for grins, I looked up the new & improved 2008 model stats. It pulled a tire shredding, hold on to your chair folks, .84Gs on the skidpad. This was only to be surpassed by a 62.9 mph slalom.:sillyme: Put it this way, the R1 RX-7 pulled a 1.01G & a obtained 71 mph slalom.....FIFTEEN years ago on 16"/225 inferior/dated VR rubber. My car (modified a bit) has lost 150 lbs, sits an inch lower, has 17"/275 ZR rubber, thicker front & rear ASBs....I could go on, but suffice it to say - it's a track car.

You have a nice blown GTO. It just wouldn't be up to the task, in any performance category, against my FD (not that it really matters - just pointing out a few things).

this is "stock" for "stock" which neither of us are:D.....surely you don't think I left the suspension "stock" do you?
05-04-2008, 04:50 AM
Sarge

Apples and Oranges. These "debates" are endless and have no real measurement for conclusion one way or the other guys.
05-04-2008, 07:03 AM
tonyjnjz

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Apples and Oranges. These "debates" are endless and have no real measurement for conclusion one way or the other guys.

whip our ur dicks..lets get this shit over
05-04-2008, 07:36 AM
Sarge

Shit....I did as you requested and swung "it" out and knocked the lamp off of Mama's lil side table and put a hole in the wall. Thanks man.....
05-04-2008, 07:56 AM
KLEEMANN

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Originally Posted by superchargedblackgto

this is "stock" for "stock" which neither of us are:D.....surely you don't think I left the suspension "stock" do you?

There is nothing anyone can do to a 3,800 car with significant front end weight bias to allow it to handle with a track prepped RX-7. The 1,200 lbs weight penalty carries way too much energy into a chicane...all coupled with huge understeer & a high center of gravity to boot. To even suggest such a preposterous idea leads me to believe you have little to no track experience (one with corners & changing elevations:yup:).

Put it this way. You can put $300 Nike's on a fat man. You can have him go to the gym to increase his strength. But at the end of the day, he's a strong fat man unable to cover Jerry Rice on a post fly pattern.

This isn't "apples to oranges", it's ~ 16 yrs of track experience backed up by the laws of inertia (physics).
05-04-2008, 08:36 AM
superchargedblackgto

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Originally Posted by KLEEMANN

There is nothing anyone can do to a 3,800 car with significant front end weight bias to allow it to handle with a track prepped RX-7. The 1,200 lbs weight penalty carries way too much energy into a chicane...all coupled with huge understeer & a high center of gravity to boot. To even suggest such a preposterous idea leads me to believe you have little to no track experience (one with corners & changing elevations:yup:).

Put it this way. You can put $300 Nike's on a fat man. You can have him go to the gym to increase his strength. But at the end of the day, he's a strong fat man unable to cover Jerry Rice on a post fly pattern.

This isn't "apples to oranges", it's ~ 16 yrs of track experience backed up by the laws of inertia (physics).

You are right, I have NO track experience....never been around a corner in my life......I know my car is heavy....however to say it is a handling nightmare you sir are mistaken....
05-04-2008, 10:03 AM
superchargedblackgto

Here is ALL I have to say on the matter......Ready?....You are too old to be a ricer, and your car is tastefully done....You own that and an AMG....also a nice (old) guys car....LOL.....SO my only conclusion has to be is secretly, you are a "clostet" ls1/muscle car lover....You are just not allowed to post such blasphemy on rx7.com......but anywho, your secret is safe with me....
Brad:D:true:
05-04-2008, 10:05 AM
KLEEMANN

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Originally Posted by superchargedblackgto

You are right, I have NO track experience....never been around a corner in my life......I know my car is heavy....however to say it is a handling nightmare you sir are mistaken....

Nobody said your car was a "handling nightmare". It's just not in the same league as a factory purpose built track car.....no need for anyone (you or me) to be emotional - the GTO is just a different type of car with a different designed purpose.:cheers:

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