01 ta vs 08 gt

Interesting!

For the most part a stock LS1 vs. a stock 2008 GT is a driver's race with a slight edge (from my experience) going to the LS1. The transmission and gearing may also help shift the slight advantage in either direction.

That being said, pretty much any run with two cars with less than a second difference in typical quarter mile times is a driver's race.....you can drop a few tenths really quickly with a crappy launch or poor shift.

I guess after the callout, it's time for the guys to post the time slips! HAHA!

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Originally Posted by Midnight02

Interesting!

For the most part a stock LS1 vs. a stock 2008 GT is a driver's race with a slight edge (from my experience) going to the LS1. The transmission and gearing may also help shift the slight advantage in either direction.

That being said, pretty much any run with two cars with less than a second difference in typical quarter mile times is a driver's race.....you can drop a few tenths really quickly with a crappy launch or poor shift.

I guess after the callout, it's time for the guys to post the time slips! HAHA!

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Less than a SECOND difference? R U Nuts? Your leaving the window wide open with that one buddy. So that means if i'm driving a car that averages 14.0 seconds versus a car that runs 13.1 on normal occasion, it could be considered a drivers race between the two of us? I don't think so. If that's the case than a race between a Mazda RX-8 vs. a stock LS1 is up in the air...

And lastly, any LS1 w/ a good driver behind the wheel should have no problem outperforming a S197 w/ a good driver. The LS1 has more than a slight advantage.

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Originally Posted by N20LT4

Less than a SECOND difference? R U Nuts? Your leaving the window wide open with that one buddy. So that means if i'm driving a car that averages 14.0 seconds versus a car that runs 13.1 on normal occasion, it could be considered a drivers race? I don't think so. If that's the case than a race between a Mazda RX-8 vs. a stock LS1 is up in the air...

And lastly, any LS1 w/ a good driver behind the wheel should have no problem outperforming a S197 w/ a good driver. The LS1 has more than a slight advantage.

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From my experience, a one second advantage can evaporate pretty quickly, especially if the difference in driver skill is exhibited at the launch. Good rule of thumb says that a 4/10th gain on the 60 foot time is typically good for a 6/10th - 7/10th gain in the quarter time....just one example of how a crappy launch will kill a stronger car. That being said, I don't think I'm a GREAT driver, however I do think I'm a good driver and I'd certainly be confident racing another car if I knew I had a full second advantage.

In this particular case, based on what MOST seem to be running, the LS1 likely has a .3 - .5 advantage. With driver skill being equal, that difference is substantial. However, if you cook the tires on the launch and throw up a 2.3 60' time, that advantage disappears pretty quickly. HAHA!

Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by Midnight02

From my experience, a one second advantage can evaporate pretty quickly, especially if the difference in driver skill is exhibited at the launch. Good rule of thumb says that a 4/10th gain on the 60 foot time is typically good for a 6/10th - 7/10th gain in the quarter time....just one example of how a crappy launch will kill a stronger car. That being said, I don't think I'm a GREAT driver, however I do think I'm a good driver and I'd certainly be confident racing another car if I knew I had a full second advantage.

In this particular case, based on what MOST seem to be running, the LS1 likely has a .3 - .5 advantage. With driver skill being equal, that difference is substantial. However, if you cook the tires on the launch and throw up a 2.3 60' time, that advantage disappears pretty quickly. HAHA!

Just my $.02

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I do understand what your saying. Bad driver error can definitely change the outcome of a race. But if a driver gives up a full second advantage to his opponent then he is just a really really bad driver - assuming everything on his car is working right.

in the defense of both of us the rain had just stopped and track officials ran the driers. traction was not the best at all and the humidity was very high.

time slips the 08 mustang is on the left and 01 ta on the right
remember mustang won 4 ta won 1.

second race ( most looked like this )

R/T .162 .785
60 2.223 2.187
330 6.103 6.040
1/8 9.262 9.110
MPH 78.31 81.48
1000 11.972 11.730
1/4 14.307 13.957
MPH 95.71 101.25

left 1st .2733



last race

R/T .135 .339
60 2.238 2.249
330 6.144 6.022
1/8 9.322 9.044
MPH 77.88 82.35
1000 12.040 11.640
1/4 14.373 13.850
MPH 95.88 101.98

right 1st .3192

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Originally Posted by N20LT4

I think a 1998-2002 WS6 looks much better than that thing they call a S197 GT.

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Well, Ford is selling more of "that thing" than GM ever sold of the Camaro/Firebird combined.

Drivers skill aside, I see the Mustang losing by about 5-6mph on both runs and that's considerable.

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Originally Posted by 99 Kobra

Well, Ford is selling more of "that thing" than GM ever sold of the Camaro/Firebird combined.

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Yeah I was one of those people who bought a mustang and compared to my Z28 it was a horrible decision.

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Originally Posted by 99 Kobra

Well, Ford is selling more of "that thing" than GM ever sold of the Camaro/Firebird combined.

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When did we get into car sales? I thought we were talking about which one looked better.

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Originally Posted by N20LT4

When did we get into car sales? I thought we were talking about which one looked better.

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Well, the huge sales numbers indicate to me that the public likes the way the current Mustang looks. Hell, if the GT500 weighed 3,300 lbs. or less and had an IRS, I would buy one when the greedy dealer markups stop, which they will as Ford keeps building more GT500's.

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Originally Posted by 99 Kobra

Well, the huge sales numbers indicate to me that the public likes the way the current Mustang looks. Hell, if the GT500 weighed 3,300 lbs. or less and had an IRS, I would buy one when the greedy dealer markups stop, which they will as Ford keeps building more GT500's.

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Come on, let's be honest. If the F-body didn't atleast have the slightest appeal to you you wouldn't be here ;)

driving skills aside the ta is a quicker car ill admit i got outdriven 4 out 5 times but 1/4 mile times showed plan as day the ta is faster mustang boy

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Come on, let's be honest. If the F-body didn't atleast have the slightest appeal to you you wouldn't be here ;)

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I like Pony cars with V8's. I have always liked Ford's better than GM. The only GM product I have owned was a '68 GTO. I instruct at BMW CCA driving schools where the students drive their own cars with an instructor. I have driven a student C5 Z06 and a student C6 Z06 at Buttonwillow Raceway. I think the Z06 is the best bang for the buck in the world, but I haven't driven a Ford GT.

I remember back in 2000/ 2001 time frame - when i was test driving tons of Mustang GTs, Trans Ams, WS6s, Z28s and SS's.
The sales guy at the Ford dealership trying to sell me on the fact that more people are buying the mustang. like that was a selling point.. That was a horrible tactic on his behalf. Because I don't want to be a lemming and have what everyone else has. Not to mention one was a mid 14s car and the other was a low 13 second car.

Muscle Car vs-- sporty car. I also remember the Nissan Maxima having about the same power as the GT in the early 2000s-- that was enough for me to not buy it.

now 8 years later-- and they still have fully closed the gap on an extinct TA??

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Originally Posted by jrc1122

I remember back in 2000/ 2001 time frame - when i was test driving tons of Mustang GTs, Trans Ams, WS6s, Z28s and SS's.
The sales guy at the Ford dealership trying to sell me on the fact that more people are buying the mustang. like that was a selling point.. That was a horrible tactic on his behalf. Because I don't want to be a lemming and have what everyone else has. Not to mention one was a mid 14s car and the other was a low 13 second car.

Muscle Car vs-- sporty car. I also remember the Nissan Maxima having about the same power as the GT in the early 2000s-- that was enough for me to not buy it.

now 8 years later-- and they still have fully closed the gap on an extinct TA??

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Why didn't you look at a Cobra?

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Originally Posted by 99 Kobra

I like Pony cars with V8's. I have always liked Ford's better than GM. The only GM product I have owned was a '68 GTO. I instruct at BMW CCA driving schools where the students drive their own cars with an instructor. I have driven a student C5 Z06 and a student C6 Z06 at Buttonwillow Raceway. I think the Z06 is the best bang for the buck in the world, but I haven't driven a Ford GT.

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No doubt Ford GT's are very fast, but overpriced at that. I still don't know where the $150,000 price tag comes in at.

From the slips it looks like we can confirm a few things:

1. Traction was definitely limited given the 60' times.
2. The Trans Am had ET's roughly 0.4 seconds faster with a 5+ mph higher trap speed.
3. The Mustang driver had a better reaction time and consequently won the race to the finish line.

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Originally Posted by chris26blaster

in the defense of both of us the rain had just stopped and track officials ran the driers. traction was not the best at all and the humidity was very high.

time slips the 08 mustang is on the left and 01 ta on the right
remember mustang won 4 ta won 1.

second race ( most looked like this )

R/T .162 .785
60 2.223 2.187
330 6.103 6.040
1/8 9.262 9.110
MPH 78.31 81.48
1000 11.972 11.730
1/4 14.307 13.957
MPH 95.71 101.25

left 1st .2733



last race

R/T .135 .339
60 2.238 2.249
330 6.144 6.022
1/8 9.322 9.044
MPH 77.88 82.35
1000 12.040 11.640
1/4 14.373 13.850
MPH 95.88 101.98

right 1st .3192

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that is some weak trap speed for both cars but worse for the stang.

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Originally Posted by 99 Kobra

Why didn't you look at a Cobra?

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Because from what I remember-- the 99 cobra was horrible overrated involving recalls, and unhappy customers and in 2000 they didn't even have it, and in 2001 they came back and I didn't trust ford, Not to mention, I thought the LS1 would have no problem hanging, if not beating a Cobra. (No FI at that time). And I was pretty much right.

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Because from what I remember-- the 99 cobra was horrible overrated involving recalls, and unhappy customers and in 2000 they didn't even have it, and in 2001 they came back and I didn't trust ford, Not to mention, I thought the LS1 would have no problem hanging, if not beating a Cobra. (No FI at that time). And I was pretty much right.

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They did recall ALL '99 Cobras. They replaced the intake manifold, exhaust and reflashed the computer. Mine went fron 255 rwhp to 275 rwhp. It was a great car for 95,000 miles until I sold it. It was great for open track. With a K & N and JBA headers it went from 275 rwhp to 295 rwhp.