well guess what...they arent there, so fuck em. the only problem is that a shitty driver can pull 12.90s in a cobra. its just a hurdle...no biggie. they are mean cars and there is no shame if you get bested by one. just gives you something to strive towards.
ws6s and ss camaros can and have went 12.90s bone stock with a damn good launch and short times. i dont know how many of those runs were made on street tires, but i know for a fact its been done.
i hear ya about the roll. either i never catch a light or they dont want to go from a dig. i prefer a dig but a roll is cool too.