5.0 has Borla Atak exhaust and 4k miles on the clock. Z28 has SLP lid and cat-back, 120k miles, that's it. Enjoy :yay:
2013 Mustang GT vs Z28 Camaro and SVT Cobra - YouTube
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5.0 has Borla Atak exhaust and 4k miles on the clock. Z28 has SLP lid and cat-back, 120k miles, that's it. Enjoy :yay:
2013 Mustang GT vs Z28 Camaro and SVT Cobra - YouTube
Not bad for a stock Mustang 5.0
Your car is SOOOO fast!
You should bring it to the track this weekend and show us that its the baddest stock LS1 automatic car every!
That thing cant be beat.
I wouldn't want to show unfortunate people like you up, broseph.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
You wont show me up.....buttercup. ;)
Yes I would, Bromeo and Juliet! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
What have you tracked your car at?
Oh yeah, you havent and you wont. Some say its because the car is too fast for tracks and that its the fastest GM car to ever leave the factory. All we know is he is a chicken shit who wont run his car at the track and he's called Mystic Z-28.
I had a car like yours but with more mods, much lower miles and better condition.
Why does it matter so much whether I track my car or not, bitchtits? This was a STREET race. You idiots are really grasping at straws now! lawlzQuote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
Street racing. lol
Yeah, you are a street racer....brah.
My buddy has a 2013 5.0. It's a manual though, but that thing is pretty damn fast for a street car. He just has a new intake and an X-pipe flowing with resonators. He pulled out a 12.50 down the track though. I have a 2002 WS6 M6 and he'd probably take me out depending on which one of us gripped. Out of this race I'd expect more out of the 5.0 honestly.
You would think that. The OP has the fastest Z28 ever though. Stock with a cat back and air intake and he beats cars with better rear gearing, better tranny gearing and more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudvayne24
:haha::lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
You both have slow cars so stop arguing.
:news: I'll race the winner
Looks like 1/4 mile times for me will be next spring, Chris. I will be ordering a set of wheels/tires for track only use this winter.
You will have to come out next year with the car for a weekend at Beaver Springs with us! We have one hell of a good time out in the middle of no where lol. My plan this winter is some better heads and maybe a cam swap, we shall see.
Yeah, I know. I would like to meet all you guys at some point. It's like a 9 hr drive or so for me. I have some ideas cooking in my head for this winter. Nothing performance wise though. We'll see. The funds are good again.
Yeah thats a long ass drive, maybe we could meet halfway or something. Dan and I came to the conclusion that those ported 806 heads are holding my top end back. I have and itch to hit 10s lol.
Sorry for jacking you thread OP :wave:
Funny you mention that because I was just reading a thread about your heads versus LS6 stage 1's and 243's P&P.
I'm leaning towards either Trick Flow or AFR's. I'm still doing some research so anything is still possible.
Can't go wrong either way. I used to lean towards AFR always, but a lot of people are putting down some massive numbers with the TF's.
Can't we all just get along ?
R.King
perhaps some history on this "beef" :news:Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
Trick Flow uses a different valve angle (13.5 I believe) for a nice advantage over the stock 15 degree LS1 head, however AFR is putting up some silly flow with stock 15 degree angles, they know what they are doing. Hard to choose between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
His stock, 150k mile Z28 with 3.23 gears, intake and cat back beats up on 12 second cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by jiveass
And fuck you, you dicks. lol
Actually, it appeared to me he wasn't really beating up on the mustang. Looks like the mustang pulled away 2 out of 3 of those races. The one race where the mustang didn't, appears the camaro had a jump anyway, and the mustang may have started to real him in if they didn't cut short.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
Check out his other threads and postings on other forums. It is quite funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
He also claims his car gets COMPLETELY sideways when it hits 2nd gear. You know, because the 4L60E tranny doesnt have a big drop from 1st to 2nd gear, right? hahaha That is sarcasm, BTW. lol
I remember a member on this forum who stated they could pull the tires off the ground from a 60MPH roll. So what? It happens from time to time :lol:
:lol:
dude...i pull my tires off the ground all the time....every 3000 miles...
Ya'll cant talk 'bout him like dat! Hims done SO MUCH for everyone on here. And yur a mod, yo. Shit be poppin', yo. Problem, brah? Come at me, brah, ya feel me?Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
Tires off the ground at 60 mph.......guy at Walmart told me his car does that too AND he tried to give me a filter for the 5.0 that fits a 4.6 because he says "They are both V8's."
Good reason not to let the folks at Wally World work on your car.
I dont....its just the cheapest place to buy oil and filters around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinZ28
I don't even understand a word you said there :lmao:. I try not to shop at Wal-mart even if it is cheaper because that is where the ghetto/trailer trash flock around here. Plus you can't park there without coming out and seeing your car has a new ding in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_AddictYa'll cant talk 'bout him like dat! Hims done SO MUCH for everyone on here. And yur a mod, yo. Shit be poppin', yo. Problem, brah? Come at me, brah, ya feel me?Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
Tires off the ground at 60 mph.......guy at Walmart told me his car does that too AND he tried to give me a filter for the 5.0 that fits a 4.6 because he says "They are both V8's."
You're not parking out far enough :D
I actually park in Olive Gardens parking lot and walk over ;)
That is the reason I own 2 Impala's :)
I just use a big stinkin truck if I have to :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
You own how many Impalas? lol
I park WAY away in the lot.
I started parking in the middle of 4 spaces lol no more dings. And parking any further away and I am in the middle of the street/ intersection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
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Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
No offense........people who take up more than 1 spot are asking for trouble.
I don't think so. It's unfortunate we live in a society that forces people like myself to double park to protect my investments.
When I double park, it's usually way out where no one wants to park anyway. No harm no foul. Any pansy ass that thinks they need to damage someones car (mine in particular) just because I'm double parked will get a Glock shoved up their ass ;)
That's just pure jelousy or hatred (not sure which). You just don't mess with someone elses property, no need for it. If people were mindfull of what they were doing in the first place it wouldn't be necessary to double park.
People that don't like it? Tough shit. Sorry to be blunt but that's how I feel. Owning several classic cars and restoring them for a living helps me to understand this more than others. I don't think some of us want to redo a $20,000 paint job ;)
99% of the time I always park where I can keep an eye on it as well, they never leave my site. I also prefer a corner spot surrounded by concrete curbs if at all possible. If I can't find a suitable parking spot,,,then the wife goes in and I stay with the car, it's just that simple. Sad to go through life that way, but can't trust people anymore.
You would not.....you would end up in jail and you know it. lol That is so laughable its not even funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
You are not forced to double park. Does someone sit there and say "You MUST double park that car!"
You dont deserve two spots. Park correctly. People are asking for trouble when they take up more than one spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
You can feel any way you want but dont think you are alone JUST because you restore cars. Your expensive restored car deserves no special treatment than someones $500 car. Its wrong to fuck with anyones car. You take more than one spot and you are asking for trouble.
Taking up more than 1 spot is rude as shit regardless of where you park.
I dont blame you for being protective but taking more than one spot is not a good idea. Making yourself stand out and it says "My car is special that it needs more than one spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
So from what I am gathering, Dan doesn't like when people double park. I'm gonna double park all weekend just to piss him off!! :D
Actually I would TLS, not the first time I've been in jail ;)
I think you completely misunderstood me. I actually am forced to double park, due to the society we live in. Just too many people out there that simply don't care. Since most of the cars I drive are a better investment than a 401K, naturally I will do what's necessary to keep them in the shape they are in. To compare them to someones $500 car isn't even on the same page, Now that is laughable.
That's not to say that I drive them to potentially problematic areas where it's crowded, or the getto etc..., because I generally don't.
You don't think I deserve two spots? Tough. Don't care. I'll park how I feel necessary if I have to. Anyone feels the need to purposely destroy my property as you insinuate, will be sucking their next meal through a straw. If someone wants to admire the car and talk, fine, I'll chew their ear off and talk all day. It's my hobby, my work, my passion. I know I'm not alone, plenty of car buffs around here that do the same. Not only that, but I find alot of people that don't care how I park and want to come up and shoot the breeze about cars.
I'm not an asshole, but I will protect what is mine. I think anyone would.
:lol: Oh well. Some people just don't "get it". Maybe some day Dan will own a 6 figure car that he poored his heart and soul in and then he'll "get it"Quote:
Originally Posted by cpop98ws6
If people would learn to drive and not hit my car with their doors I would not take up more than one space. It is people like that, that cause people to take up more than one space. So I would rather take up more than one spot and my car to be damage free than not and some stupid fuck hits my car with their car door and goes "oh well". I have started taking pictures of the cars and their license plates around my car and my car before I go into a store.
I try not to double or quadro park but at Wal-mart I do because most of the people who shop there don't give a shit for other peoples' personal property. I pretty much only park in multiple spots at Wal-mart or other stores that the majority of the people are the same way.
And it now should start to become clear why you don't see cars like this out that often or why they are tucked away in a garage and seldom driven.
Then you get the people who say,, "oh it's a trailer queen" or,,,"what good is it if you don't drive it" Blah blah blah.
Now it all starts to make sense ;)
As far as our 4th gen goes, I really couldn't care much less. I have a fair amount of money tied up in the drivetrain, but I won't paint it. I keep it clean and presentable, but it's a driver and that's what it's meant to do. Not worth much money so it's replaceable, and the drivetrain can be swapped into something else, so that's where my investment lies in that car.
But we should probably get this thread back on course, (not that it was going anywhere though)
Okay,,,,$50 on the 5.0 best two out of three? :lol:
Hey, another guy that "gets it" ;) I (like others) completely understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6
You talk so much shit. lol You went from shooting someone to now busting their jaw. Give me a break. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
If you think your cars are better than a 401k you are way off base. Unless you have very small amounts of funds in a car you wont make out well. Your 6 figure cars are not costing yo 10k to produce so your margine is shit if you try to sell it.
Sorry, if you put 100k in to a car and keep it for 10 years and sell it for 100k you lost money. Time, money value as well as opportunity cost, inflation, and the further diminishing value of the dollar against other currency. Put in 100k to get that out in 10 years is a huge loss.
If you park and can see your car there is no reason for you to double park. You can watch your "100k" in one spot.
It doesnt matter how much a car cost. ITs the same amount of disrespect if its a $500 car or a $10,000 car or a $100,000 car. Nobody has the right to touch my shit but I sure wont go to jail over them doing it. If you do you are a fucking moron. Compromise your future over something that the insurance will pay to have fixed? Yeah....very smart.
I dont give a shit what people do but by taking more than 1 spot you invite trouble. Lowlifes think that you think you are better than them and they are more prone to fucking with your car. Why give them a reason? You already have a car they want, why make them want to fuck with your shit even more?Quote:
Originally Posted by cpop98ws6
I do get it, dont be a dick. I have hit people for less than what you just said to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
Lets see these "100k" cars. Did you value them, can you sell them today for that price, did you factor in your labor (sorry people dont give a shit about your labor)? Is your car a very liquid asset? Does your insurance company have them valued at 100k? If so, lets see the proof.
Perhaps I should slow down. I dont want you to have to using google for half the things I have mentioned.
You are right. People dont give a shit. They are piles of trash. Giving them a reason to fuck with your car is not needed. Taking up more than one spot tells them that you are a dick (its how they see it...put yourself in their state of mind) and because you take up more than one spot they WILL fuck with you more because they feel intimidated and like you are putting yourself above them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 98TransAmWs-6
Why do you say I dont get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
You are right, I dont have a 100k car. I have a whopping 52k car.
I take my car to Walmart and dont have any issues. I park away from people and take up one spot. I park where people in other businesses can se my car. Its because I am not trying to draw attention to myself but so that I can use the eyes of others to watch my car.
I do get it, I just dont get why you think you are special.
^^ What the F is that?!?! :Ohno:
Oh well :shrug: poor feller. This must really be bothering you.
Yes they are appraised and insured, thanks.
Carefull, tread lightly. Resorting to name calling isn't tollerated here.
So common, $50 on the mustang? Anyone?
I'm gonna take up 2 spots at the titty ranch tomorrow night with Dan. It wont be because I don't want my doors dented it will be because i will be to drunk to pull into only 1 spot.
Trouble maker :lol:
You're going to be labeled as special, ya know.
:lol:
Actually, it doesnt bother me. I actually get off on guys like you going on and on about how you have to do this or that with your vehicles because they are so special. Also, buddy (thats not a bad name).....insurance is a value that 99.9999999% of the time you cant sell a car for. Meaning your cars are not liquid meaning that you wont get that for them without setting on them for a long time. And selling 100k car today is more than 110k for car in two years. But thats math that I dont feel like having to explain to you at this time. Because you wont "Get it" as you so put it. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
My house is insured for 237k and another 39k for my 2nd garage. Does that mean I can sell them for that? Nope. lol Good luck with your "investments". haha Even at a 20% gain from your initial investment over say 10 years you have lost money. But you are smarter than people who work with investments. lol Unless you bought said cars for their original purchase price and have no other expenses related to the cars you are losing money.
Name calling shouldnt be tolerated. However, carefull.....your lack of comprehension is only overshadowed by your want and need for attention to be drawn to your 100k cars. I never called you a name. I said dont be something, that is NOT calling you anything. And I didnt call you special either.......so again, comprehend what I said and not what you read over quickly.
Its a wonder you are scared that people will mess with your cars. You give them good reason.
I will put more than $50 on the 5.0.....lol
Not digging this whipped vodka. Can it go bad? Mixed it with rootbeer and it tastes "funny".
You're way out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
I need to run to the store, I might double park.....:D
You are doing it wrong. Park side to side in the middle of spots and you can take up 6. One spot for ever "figure" your car is worth. lol
I am way out there? Wont argue with that. Problem is everyone else has the cognitive ability of a single cell amoeba.
I sleep for 8 hrs (once in a blue moon) and come back here and all hell has broke loose :lol:
Personally, I have never parked the Camaro at any busy store. I simply don't take it to ANY store and park it. I remember once I was out driving with this girl and she wanted to go eat (ugh). I drove around the lot until I found a 2 parking spot section. By 2 spots, I mean there was 2 spots and on either side of that section was a curb/trees. The spot on the right was open. I pulled in and as far to the right away from the other car as I could. While we were eating I couldn't even concentrate on anything else but my car :lol:. Forget that nonsense. If I am out in the car, I will drive home, park it in the garage, and get the Impala and head back out. 15 min of my time is worth not risking a ding on a mint vehicle I've kept the last 11 years.
I know what you mean. I usually ask my wife exactly where we are going, and that determines what comes out of the garage. If I can't watch it, I don't drive it, is pretty much the scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
Now I'm all confused. I moved the car around all different ways for 5 minutes and just couldn't get all 6. I need a bigger vehicle I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
Why are you worried? Your car isnt worth 100+k......its not the same for vehicles of lower value.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
Or is there a cut off as to how much a vehicle is worth for it to be the same thing? Hrm......sarcasm meter, is it pegged?
Pretty simple.....try not parking exactly 90 degrees from facing out....try 75 degrees......it should cover as it is longer from left front to right rear than from front right to back right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
[QUOTE=TLS_Addict;2810472]
. Nobody has the right to touch my shit but I sure wont go to jail over them doing it. If you do you are a fucking moron. Compromise your future over something that the insurance will pay to have fixed? Yeah....very smart.
I have hit people for less than what you just said to me.
:think: .......:lmao:
I'm not selling it so its monetary value in some book is worth as much as tits on a bull to me. I want it to stay mint or as close to because I like it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
My car is like a woman's ass. I don't want dings all over it.
:lmao: :true:Quote:
Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SSI'm not selling it so its monetary value in some book is worth as much as tits on a bull to me. I want it to stay mint or as close to because I like it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
My car is like a woman's ass. I don't want dings all over it.
TLS, my car isn't worth 100k either but I still care about if someone damages it. Both my Daytona which is my DD and the TA. Heck I would even get pissed if someone dinged my wifes minivan. I care about all my cars and I can't stand it when people have no respect for other people's property. Bottom line why does it matter how I park with MY car if it has no effect on you? Btw insurance doesn't always make it right. Plus accidents, decrease the value of the car no matter how minor. If someone dings my door and leaves I still have to pay my deductible for their actions. Explain how that is right to me? I would rather avoid that in the first place. No one has fucked with my car yet by parking in multiple spaces, and they will get arrested if they do. Anyone who damages a car for any reason other than a complete accident is apparently unintelligent. Why else would you risk getting arrested for vandalism if it has no ill effect on them. Also the risk of it happening to me is pretty low since I really only do it at Wal-mart and I don't go to that store often. We should all probably agree to disagree. I will do it my way and you can do it your way.
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Originally Posted by 35th-ANV-SS
Congradulations 35th,,,,you are now special like the rest of us. That makes 4 people now. We should start a club (and double park at the meetings of course) :D
ok, this thread has gotten out of control. If it doesnt straighten up, i will hand out infractions and lock the thread. Please tread carefully.
Or we can revert to ''turtles'' again...........:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by jiveass
Hey, I happen to like turtles. Turtle hater!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSSguy
No no no..I love Turtles! and Tortoises.:werd:Quote:
Originally Posted by az gt eater
You can't love turtles and tortoises. get off the fence already....
I think you guys miss my REAL point. It isnt that I dont understand why you double park.
Having seen people mess with double parked cars I can tell you why they do it. They do it because they see a nice car that is double parked and no tonly do they think "That guy has a nice car, I dont so I am going to mess with it." They also say "I am going to teach this guy a lesson. Since he double parked he thinks he is so much better than me I am going to mess with it even more."
I understand completely why people double park, I do. But it does give them more reasons to mess with your car.
I do not condone someone touching someone elses property regardless of the value of that property.
Double parking asks for more trouble.
I also care about my cars and motorcycles but I park away from people and park in a sensible manner as to not attract more attention or to give some dirt bag even more reason to mess with my car.
Also, most often you get diminished value for a car. At least people I know get it when they have real insurance on their car.
So for those who think I "dont get it".....I do, unlike most I dont try to give someone more reasons to mess with my stuff.
This must really be bothering you...
Not at all. Notice when my last post was? It was Friday.
I had a great weekend and didnt feel the need to log once. Just wanted to clarify because some people I think have the wrong idea in that I dont understand why its done.
The last thing I want to read or see is someones car getting messed with. It makes me sick that people will harm someone elses property for no reason what so ever.
One takes up two spaces the other takes one SO?.........its a moot point........:lock: already!
[QUOTE=SuperSSguy;2810521]I laughed at this same thing. Compromise you future over something some random person you do not even know says to you? That sounds a bit more moronicQuote:
Originally Posted by TLS_Addict
I park the H3 across 6 spaces @ the top of lots.
No need to worry really..
If they are too lazy to walk the 10 yards to a shopping card cage, they sure as hell are not going to walk 100 yards usually up hill to scratch my Hummer..
Last person to bang one of my camaro's had their wiper arms removed and set aside..XD
The other thing is I don't care if my parking pissed people off..XD
:lol: very true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
Hitting someone is different from using a gun. Are people on here really that slow to try and compare the two?
You get in a fight and get arrested. Here in PA the cops arrest BOTH in a fight and if one presses charges they both get charges pressed against them. The difference is you SHOOT someone your ass DOES go to jail. You will NEVER own another firearm and your record will show this. A fight is MUCH LESS than shooting someone.
You guys make me laugh at your inability to comprehend the most simple of concepts and unless they are pointed out to you....you dont get them.
Laughable actually. lol I said I HAVE hit someone. I didnt say I was going to hit him, now did I? Good lord, again, maybe its over your heads because again (and I repeat because it needs to be said multiple times) your ability to comprehend is very small. Saying you WILL pull out your GLOCK is much different........
If someone is breaking into my car I can shoot them and thanks to my states castle doctrine I will not be charged and I cannot be taken to civil court by the family. what made it funny though was that you are stated you will go jail if you pull a gun on someone and that it would be stupid to do so but the same thing happens if you punch that person. Shooting is a bit more of a punishment if you are not following the law but he never said he was gonna shoot em, stick a glock in their ass was the term I believe lol.
But whatever, I am all for punching people before shooting them.
Castle doctrine was recently passed in PA as well as we can open carry a gun everywhere (no concealed carry needed unless you plan to conceal) but cities of the first class.
Philly is the only city that you can't open carry..
We have always had open carry in WI but it is BS. CCW is where it is at, I do not need people knowing that I have a gun and where it is. Also do not need everyone giving me weird looks and stepping in front of their children as I walk by. Plus then you have to put the gun in its case when you enter you car if you only have open carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
I don't worry about what people think.
It is not about what people think, it is about what they will do and what they know. There have been multiple cases of people calling police on open carriers. Also do not need people knowing that I have a gun and where it is for my own advantage. Someone could walk up and try to snatch it or if something does happen and we get into a scuffle they could try to grab for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
Who cares! Don't care what you do or don't want people to know.
Let them call the cops does'nt mean shit to me nor negate the 2nd amendment.
Are you guys still going on about this crap? Really? Like Smittro says,,,,,Who cares. I mean really? If someone double parking is bothering you that much,,,,you need to get a hobby because you are spending too much time worrying about shit that doesn't even concern you.
As far as carrying goes,,, around here is nothing new. Arizonians like their guns just like several other states, and if you plan to tangle with personal property around here in any way, shape or form, you better be ready to stare down a barrel, because just about everyone around here carries and chances are pretty good someone will pull one out. Screw with my stuff, my family, and that's what you get. Conservatives will have a hard time grasping that concept, they always have.
What was this thread about again? Anyone? :lol:
It WAS about 2 guys nagging about who's car is faster, like that was going anywhere anyway :shrug:
Unfortunately the cops around here are dumb to gun laws. Partially because they are ignorant and partially because there is new gun legislation that they do not fully understand. There has been cases of people having there guns take while using open carry, then they have to go to a court hearing to get the gun back which is a waste of time and tax payer dollars. Some cops have a arrest em all and let the DAs sort them out mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
I haven't mentioned or been a part of the parking debate or argument since I posted in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
Arizona has some of the best gun laws and have had them for a while which means people are used to the idea of good guys with guns. CCW was just passed here in WI in November of 2011 so it hasn't even been a full year yet.
Interesting. I didn't know WI had it, although they do offer some CCW classes here in AZ for other states so we know the "ins and outs" of carrying when we travel. I am actually going to take Utah soon because we frequent there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
We don't actually require CCW here but they highly recommend people take classes anyway, which we do, just to keep up on certain laws as well as law enforcement looks upon a CCW (even though they are not required here) as a person who has had training and is trying to be a responsible gun owner, and that's a good thing. Plus other classes we take for handling, safety, how to gain advantages in situations, fast shooting at a target or multiple targets. These classes branch off into other things.
It's so popular here that a very good training school here local that also trains law enforcement and military is constantly booked and sold out. Like I mentioned, guns are popular here and everyone carrys. You are right in that it's become so common around here that people are used to the idea, and carrying openly doesn't phase anyone around here.
Anyway, getting back to the classes, About 20-25 different classes per month and you have to buy ahead of time. They take kids as young as 7-8 years old to teach them proper safety, and as young as 12 can shoot at the indoor ranges.
CCW class here is good for 5 years, so my son can take that class as young as 16 and then apply for the CCW when he is 21.
Well hunting has always been huge in WI, one of the top three states with over 700,000 hunters a season. So guns in general do not scare people but handguns being worn to public places seems to. More so in the urban areas for obvious reasons, up north I would feel fine open carrying. Being a hunting state there are many people who have taken hunters saftey which includes a fair amount of gun control teachings but not handguns, more so long guns. I took mine when I was 11 and have been shooting on my family's property up north since years before then.
Every state other than IL now offers CCW. In WI you need atleast 4 hours of training and since a few months prior to CCW being passed into law the classes have been full up. Hunters safety qualified me as trained even though it was 13 years ago and had little to do with handguns and nothing to do with self defense situations. I have taken some more advanced handgun classes but I am sure not everyone with a hunters ed cert has.
That's interesting Zinergy, I didn't know the class would last that long up there. Here it's good for 5 years, so if you take the class and then don't complete the paperwork before that 5 year period, you have to take the class again. It's $160 and is an 8 hour long class. Which is why we are waiting for my son to take the CCW class (it's pointless at his age since he can't legally have a CCW until 21 years of age)
But, they offer other classes for him just to teach gun handling, safety, how to shoot etc..for about any age. That's a good thing not just for us as a family, but good knowledge for him when he is at a friends house and someone decides to pull out daddys gun and say, "hey look at this" type of situation,,,if you know what I mean. Better to have him know what's right and wrong than to find out in an unfortunate way.
So your classes are full too huh? :D I think America in general wants to arm themselves. So it seems.
In the first month they got 150-200k CCW apps and something like 3% were denied. I do not know what the number is now that it has been a year. I am sure it slowed down after the first initial hit from all the people who have waited years for this to be law. Teaching children about guns is needed when guns are present. My oldest is 5 she knows if she even touches a gun without me present there are serious consequences and that is the way it will be for a while but she does know the basic gun rules. Always treat even gun as if it were loaded, always check evey gun to make sure it is not loaded and then once the check is complete continue to treat the gun as if it was loaded. She is a bit of a girly girl so guns are often far from her mind but they are a part of my life and so they are a part of hers.
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Originally Posted by SuperSSguy
The open carry laws here in PA (one of the original 13 colonies) are very old.
You can open carry in PA @ the age of 18 (unless prhibited by law) and as far as in your car,
a PA License to Carry Firearms (LTCF) is needed to open carry in a vehicle and cities of the first class (Philadelphia).
Mainly if you transport a fire arm here it just needs to be unloaded with weapon and ammo secured and seperated.
When or if you get pulled over you are required to inform law enforcement of the presence of a firearm (and they nearly always ask here) so that they can inspect it for their safety and yours.
Not having a concealed carry permit rarely concerns the police here as many people here have guns.
They just want to be sure it's safely secured and usually send you on your way after a quick look over of your weapon/s.
Not so bad for a blue state really.
