Need Tune Help Please

**0rion** · 02-20-2008, 09:35 AM

I've used both editors and you can do pretty much the same things with both except hptuners does have a couple more options and hptuners makes things a lot easier to do. You can get your car tuned with either though. Edit just takes more work.

**HasselZ28** · 02-20-2008, 10:25 AM

Well with my car being a A4 and this guy has mostly done M6's is there anything I should make sure he does regarding the tune in general and also the differance between the tranny's? Remember I'm just a full bolt on car.

**mghawk57** · 02-20-2008, 10:31 AM

This is real hopeful for me.I should have learned the LS1 edit myself from the beginning.Thanks I'll be asking alot of questions in the furture.Michael

**Frost** · 02-20-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by HasselZ28

Well with my car being a A4 and this guy has mostly done M6's is there anything I should make sure he does regarding the tune in general and also the differance between the tranny's? Remember I'm just a full bolt on car.

If you go into it and tell him how to tune your car or give him "tips" you are just gonna piss him off and show him your lack of confidence in his work. If he NEEDS to be told things like this, then you NEED to find someone else. Sounds harsh, but I'm just looking out for ya.

**0rion** · 02-20-2008, 11:36 AM

I agree, get references and get some references from whatever a4 guys he's done. I'm not sure what he's charging you and all that but a crappy tune isn't worth any amount of money. Do you at least have headers and things like that? If not I would probably wait on a tune anyhow until I had a few decent mods under my belt. I highly recommend a stall before the tune. It'll really wake the car up.

**Firebirdjones** · 02-25-2008, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Frost

If you go into it and tell him how to tune your car or give him "tips" you are just gonna piss him off and show him your lack of confidence in his work. If he NEEDS to be told things like this, then you NEED to find someone else. Sounds harsh, but I'm just looking out for ya.

I don't know,,,guess I am kinda on the other side of this. If you have a tuner that doesn't want to hear what you have to say or gets pissed because there is a certain way you want something done,,,then I don't think I would be using that tuner either.

No offense but there are some of us that like things done certain ways or a certain feel. Suggestions and/or comments and questions shouldn't affect either party. If the tuner gets upset over that then he's just too sensative and full of himself

I would hate to have to go back and forth to the tuner to touch things up here and there because neither the customer or tuner communicate with each other,,,,,,,,,,, one of the reasons I just went ahead and bought HPtuners in the first place.
To me,,,,a good tuner is one who tailors the tune to the customers liking,,,not the other way around. I mean,,,who's paying for this tune anyway,,,,right???

**HasselZ28** · 02-25-2008, 06:06 AM

Yeah, I mean I'm not going to be watching over this guy's sholder, but I will be watching closely to see what he's doing. So for in the future if I feel confident enough to start, tuning myself. As far as my mods go I am full bolt on A4, minus the stall, but I'm looking into getting one.

**Firebirdjones** · 02-25-2008, 06:17 AM

Ya I understand. Don't get me wrong though, I don't mean to haggle the guy while he is tuning. But talking back and forth to understand what each person is after without stepping on someones ego.

I have ridden in cars with tunes from shops (automatics such as yours) that would snap your neck on a part throttle 10 mph 1-2 shift. Some find this unnecessary, with snappy shifts only required at half throttle or more,,,,and shift pressures can be taylored to accomplish this if you can talk to your tuner about what you are looking for.

All I'm saying is,,,simply talking to him and asking questions could possibly eliminate the need to come back again to make changes to your liking. To me this makes more sense than bringing the car back multiple times.

As Orion said,,,since you are paying for a tune, installing a converter first is a great idea. A converter install later on will require things to be changed again in the tune, and another small fee for services performed. It's up to you.

**Firebirdjones** · 02-25-2008, 10:16 AM

Sheeesh frost you are a touchy fella. No one is back pedaling here. I think you have me all wrong.

I am in no way implicating a tuner doesn't know what he is doing, only that people have different ideas on how they want their car to act, the type of fuel they want to run, etc.... and that they should communicate that to the tuner and not be hush hush for fear of insulting someone as you mentioned in your previous post. I just don't feel thats a good idea. Sure there is a line that you can cross where you may insult someone,,,,some people are simply touchier than others. But I don't mean to tell someone what to do, only to express what you want might be a better way of going about it.

It's like getting your hair cut and telling the barber to cut it however they see fit without regard to any particular look,,,,hows that for an example???

I used the transmission shift feel as an example only, since in fact Hassle was concerned about his tuner only playing with 6-speed cars. No harm no foul.

**Frost** · 02-25-2008, 10:50 AM

Yeah sorry I was ill, had just told a tech EXACTLY how to go about a certain task and he took it upon himself to do things his way, and it cost me and my crew an extra half-days work through lunch.

Shifting is always up to the customer, and that's not what I was talking about. It's like the guy who wanted all the timing. I *KNOW* that car will knock on the street, especially putting 3 to 4 gears together, but he knows that 31 is best because his buddy who "tuned" his own bolt-ons set it there and said his car liked while they were out riding around. I knew better than to send him out with that, but he insisted I put it back, so I did.

Sorry to sound so touchy, it's just annoying. If he and his buddy knew what was best for the car, why is it sitting in front of me? Sorry for the sidetrack and inadvertant venting.

**Firebirdjones** · 02-25-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Frost

Yeah sorry I was ill, had just told a tech EXACTLY how to go about a certain task and he took it upon himself to do things his way, and it cost me and my crew an extra half-days work through lunch.

Shifting is always up to the customer, and that's not what I was talking about. It's like the guy who wanted all the timing. I *KNOW* that car will knock on the street, especially putting 3 to 4 gears together, but he knows that 31 is best because his buddy who "tuned" his own bolt-ons set it there and said his car liked while they were out riding around. I knew better than to send him out with that, but he insisted I put it back, so I did.

Sorry to sound so touchy, it's just annoying. If he and his buddy knew what was best for the car, why is it sitting in front of me? Sorry for the sidetrack and inadvertant venting.

No big deal man, you had me thinking we were on 2 different pages

I was a little confused there thinking I couldn't explain myself well enough or used a poor choice of words. Sorry about the work problems though, I can understand the frustration,,,,,it's Monday

I understand the timing issues. 31 degrees sounds a bit high for an LS1 to me. I can't beleive they made that work. Mine doesn't like more than about 24 degrees, and even with that it will pull a degree or 2 on a hot day.
It's kinda scary what people are doing.

It's all good.