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    Good combo or 99-02 LS1??

    I'm looking for 400rwhp when I drop in an LS1, and I think I've made a good combo.

    Chime in if there's something that won't work together.


    Patriot Stage 2 "LS6" heads (59cc)

    MS3 237/242 .603/.609 112lsa

    FAST 90/90 combo

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    Will this combo get me close? If not what else would you guys recommend?

    Thanks in advance

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    Also, who sells the FAST 90/90 the cheapest?

    TS sells it for $1,049.99

    Is that about as cheap as it gets?

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    hell yea is a good combo but hot rod magazine did a write up on intakes, and for the money the LS6 is the best and only costs half of the fast 90 and in the comperrison it was only a 6 hp differance.... but yea good combo, I would expect a gain of over 100 horses

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99Ls1fever View Post
    hell yea is a good combo but hot rod magazine did a write up on intakes, and for the money the LS6 is the best and only costs half of the fast 90 and in the comperrison it was only a 6 hp differance.... but yea good combo, I would expect a gain of over 100 horses
    So a stock LS6 intake is better for the money?

    I don't care if I lose a weak 6hp. Where is a good place to get an LS6 intake, and should I still get a 90mm TB? And if so, where should I get the TB??

    So many questions, I know, but I greatly appreciate your help

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggsm3ls1 View Post
    So a stock LS6 intake is better for the money?

    I don't care if I lose a weak 6hp. Where is a good place to get an LS6 intake, and should I still get a 90mm TB? And if so, where should I get the TB??

    So many questions, I know, but I greatly appreciate your help
    o its cool no worries, yea in October issue of Hot Rod Magazine they compare the 75mm stock ls6 intake, the ls1 intake (shitty), the ls2 intake(shitty) both ls1 and ls2 lost hp...and the Fast 90/90 and there is only 6.6 horse power differance in the fast and the ls6 intakes. (not very much for hp to money ratio...you can pick up a ls6 intake through summit racing for $485 compared to $1,198 bucks for the fast 90/90 set up... the ls6 rocks, people never believe me till they look that article up...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggsm3ls1 View Post
    So a stock LS6 intake is better for the money?

    I don't care if I lose a weak 6hp. Where is a good place to get an LS6 intake, and should I still get a 90mm TB? And if so, where should I get the TB??

    So many questions, I know, but I greatly appreciate your help
    If you are going with stg 2 ported LS6 heads and a big cam (MS3) you would be better off with the FAST 90....TS sells a 90mm TB get it too. you will need LT headers and a free flowing exhaust............will you be M6 or A4? Either way with those mods you will pass up your goal of 400rwhp. I would say with just the cam (no heads, no 90mm intake and tb) you would be around 400rwhp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99Ls1fever View Post
    o its cool no worries, yea in October issue of Hot Rod Magazine they compare the 75mm stock ls6 intake, the ls1 intake (shitty), the ls2 intake(shitty) both ls1 and ls2 lost hp...and the Fast 90/90 and there is only 6.6 horse power differance in the fast and the ls6 intakes. (not very much for hp to money ratio...you can pick up a ls6 intake through summit racing for $485 compared to $1,198 bucks for the fast 90/90 set up... the ls6 rocks, people never believe me till they look that article up...lol
    was the comparison done on a stock car , mildly modified, fully modified?

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    I personally have seen people with same heads and a 224 cam gain almost 30 rwhp when switching from the LS6 intake to the FAST 90

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeler99WS6 View Post
    I personally have seen people with same heads and a 224 cam gain almost 30 rwhp when switching from the LS6 intake to the FAST 90
    I see 20-25 solid regularly on H/C cars over the LS6, and I hate it for the price, but the numbers are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggsm3ls1 View Post
    I'm looking for 400rwhp when I drop in an LS1, and I think I've made a good combo.

    Chime in if there's something that won't work together.


    Patriot Stage 2 "LS6" heads (59cc)

    MS3 237/242 .603/.609 112lsa

    FAST 90/90 combo

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    Will this combo get me close? If not what else would you guys recommend?

    Thanks in advance
    that combo should see somewhere around 430RWHP easy. people break 400 with a 224 cam and stage 1 heads LS6 and justa ported TB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoney2677 View Post
    that combo should see somewhere around 430RWHP easy. people break 400 with a 224 cam and stage 1 heads LS6 and justa ported TB.
    Not with an A4, well not commonly with an A4 and those mods...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    Not with an A4, well not commonly with an A4 and those mods...
    o didnt realize it was an A4. minus 15 or so?

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    It's not an A4, I have the T56

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    Talking cam and intake only 397 rwhp

    I just installed the ms3 cam with dual springs and hardened pushrods on stock non-ported heads with a fast 78 intake and stock exhaust manifolds with ory pipe being my only exhaust mod and with my custom tune i just netted 397 rwhp with my 60k m6 firehawk!Everything else is stock including my throttle body and maf sensor even the muffler is original.I cant wait to start hitting the track and get it all dialed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    I see 20-25 solid regularly on H/C cars over the LS6, and I hate it for the price, but the numbers are there.
    26 rwhp over the ls6, there are 2 or 3 write flooting around and over 30 rwhp it you get the tb and the intake ported.
    depends on the port but 33 rwhp was the most they saw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggsm3ls1 View Post
    It's not an A4, I have the T56
    my bad guys...

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    But for the $600 i'm sure there's a much cheaper way to gain those 30rwhp back. Isn't there???

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    Does anyone have a dyno vid of a 98-02 Camaro or Trans-Am with the Patriot Stage 2 "LS6" heads, MS3 cam (or something similar) Fast 90/90, LT's, and tru-duals?

    If we can find a few, then we'll be able to get a good baseline for what this combo can give people

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggsm3ls1 View Post
    Does anyone have a dyno vid of a 98-02 Camaro or Trans-Am with the Patriot Stage 2 "LS6" heads, MS3 cam (or something similar) Fast 90/90, LT's, and tru-duals?

    If we can find a few, then we'll be able to get a good baseline for what this combo can give people
    i would check you tube, but that seems like it is a great combo to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggsm3ls1 View Post
    I'm looking for 400rwhp when I drop in an LS1, and I think I've made a good combo.

    Chime in if there's something that won't work together.


    Patriot Stage 2 "LS6" heads (59cc)

    MS3 237/242 .603/.609 112lsa

    FAST 90/90 combo

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    Will this combo get me close? If not what else would you guys recommend?

    Thanks in advance

    This looks like it will be a very powerful combo and I think you will have no problem hitting you goal. Just make sure you have all the supporting mods like exhaust and a lid as well. With my little 226/228 cam I am right around 400 I imagine you will be much higher. If this will be a daily driver though you might want to reconsider that cam at least in my opinion. If it is not then I think you will be having a monster of a car.

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