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06-17-2008, 04:49 AM #1
Cam install
Tell me oh cam gurus, is this a good set up? A motorsport company I have been checking into has a custom grind cam set up.
cam is a 228/232 on a 112LSA
Only other upgrades are hardened pushrods and and PSI valve springs.
All for $1370 + cost of tune
Untuned they promise 65-75 hp
What do you think? Worth it? Go bigger?
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06-17-2008, 07:15 AM #2
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It will depend on your other mods and a few other important aspects of the cam like lift and lobe design.
The price is fair (though I don't know those springs). I tend to doubt 65-75 to the rear wheels (maybe they are talking flywheel hp) without a tune, with a tune it might be possible (based off the limited info given).
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06-17-2008, 08:43 AM #3
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06-17-2008, 08:52 AM #4
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06-17-2008, 09:06 AM #5
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agreed with Spaz and Lous...
during a cam install your right there, install a new oil pump and double timing chain.
with a 231/237 cam and tuned I gained 80 rwhp.
what brand push rods.
I went with comp chromoly pushrods and comp ovate wire spring.
here is a typical cost sheet for (labor)install work:
Part to be Installed
Instalation Price
Long Tube Headers & Y Pipe
(Catted or Off Road Pipes)
$424.99
Catback
$124.99
Clutch & Flywheel *
$434.99
Torque Converter
$434.99
Intake Manifold Swap
$124.99
Cam & Valve Spring Swap
$549.99
Head Swap
$649.99
Head & Cam Swap **
$1099.99
Sub-Frame Connectors
(Weld In Style)
$224.99
Torque Arm
$74.99
Lower Control Arms
$74.99
Pan-Hard Rod
$74.99
Rear End
$374.99
Engine & Transmission Swap
$1,499.99
Nitrous Kit Install
(HSW Kits Recieve a Discount)
$549.99
Racetronix Fuel Pump Kit
$224.99
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06-17-2008, 10:11 AM #6
Im sorry, I forgot to put my sig up to show my mods. I have decent supporting mods for the install. I was planning on supplying an LS2 timing set and the SLP heavy duty oil pump. He recommended not replacing rockers either.
And yes the price is installed. $1375 parts and labor.
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06-17-2008, 10:16 AM #7rapter34Guest
$225 for SFC? wow i would think it only takes a shop about an hour. But damn if teh install is that much I might just get the bolt-on.
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06-17-2008, 10:18 AM #8
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06-17-2008, 10:22 AM #9rapter34Guest
sorry for this quick thread jack but is that what everyone paid? I really have to get some installed.
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06-17-2008, 10:44 AM #10
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06-17-2008, 11:07 AM #11
As always such a plethora of information
They discount the tune rate with this install but he has yet to get back with me on a price. Normal dyno tune he charges $400, so that $1500 deal may be a good place to start the negotiating!!!!
No the SLP huh? I just figured they were pretty inexpensive, but alas, I can never go against the word of Mr. Luos!!!
Good deal on the cam though? Better question, good enough cam?
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06-17-2008, 11:15 AM #12
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I assume the lift isn't too much...probably around the .600" range.
I like the more average sized cams personally. Better powerband, easier to tune, great driveability, and still most make over 400RWHP.
From SLP:
Price: REGULARLY $185.35 NOW $166.80
From Thunder:
Thunder Racing Modified LS6 Oil Pump $149.95
The Melling pump from Thunder is about the same price as well.
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06-17-2008, 11:18 AM #13
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06-17-2008, 12:39 PM #14
Indeed I am. I have a friend / customer of mine who deals with them for his TBSS and has nothing but good things to say about kirk and the people over there. Therefore, me being in the service field, think that's good enough to deal with them. I shop for people, not price!
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06-17-2008, 02:27 PM #15
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Black on Black- 2001 ~ T/A ~ WS6 ~ M6
I just had my T/A Dyno tuned there. They did a great job. I considered them for the cam swap as well, but the timing was bad. I gave GM their H3 back so currently my T/A is my only ride. Vector had a backorder with CompCams and I couldn't wait it out.
As far as the pricing goes, your prices quoted is slightly less than what I was quoted. The bumpstick they install has something like 228i/232e, 594i/and high 570's or low 580's on the exhaust. Their grinder is CompCams.
Corvette's seemed to be big business for them. When I was there they had several Corvettes there for upgrades/tuning. (Directly across the street, and I mean directly, is Katech.)
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06-17-2008, 02:39 PM #16
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Black on Black- 2001 ~ T/A ~ WS6 ~ M6
For the record, my current setup:
Kooks LT headers, Kooks ORY, Magnaflow quad CB, SLP lid, SLP bellows, Blackwing filter, Magnacor wires, Denso iridium plugs and 3.73 gears. Dyno'd at 343.9 rwhp @ 5500 rpm and the torque was 347.7 @ 4200 rpm; performed on their Mustang Dynamometer.
Cam swap will be next; I'm looking for the 400+ rwhp advantage, but that maybe another winter project.
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06-17-2008, 03:23 PM #17
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06-18-2008, 02:06 AM #18
I don't know if this is old news/they got the quality back to higher standards, but I've recently been seeing a lot of info on the net about the Melling "performance" pumps being pieces of crap....apparently, they decided to take the cost-effective route and use thinner materials, therefore causing a significant number of their performance pumps to crack wide open....
...Like I said, this may be old news and the issue may have been resolved....if anyone knows more about this please chime in!
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06-18-2008, 02:12 AM #19
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06-19-2008, 07:33 AM #20
Just got some more info on the cam.
228/232 112 LSA
.588 intake .574 exhaust
PSI springs were tested at Katech for quality and longevity, that is why he uses them. The rods and cam are COMP.
I'm sticking with the stock oil pump but upgrading to an LS2 timing chain. The installer recommended using the stock lifters and rockers with this cam set up.
I will be waiting untill I install my 4.10 gears so when it gets tuned, I can have him tune the gears in as well.
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