what stall should i run

**383ls6** · 10-26-2011, 10:11 AM

going to get a stall converter soon and wanting to get yalls opinion on what i should get. weight 4200lbs,3.73's, .556/.556 lift 226/236 duration cam, long tubes,383 stroker, daily driver. looking at a 2800 stall yank.

**senicalj4579** · 10-26-2011, 10:40 AM

I wouldnt waste my time with anythng lower than 3600. I say get a ss3600 thats what I have for the camaro and its perfect street/strip. I just broke 11 sec pass with it to so im happy with it.

**0rion** · 10-26-2011, 10:48 AM

agreed......2800 is too small. 3500-3600 would be where I would look.

**senicalj4579** · 10-26-2011, 10:53 AM

and fwiw I can dd this car no problem with 3.23s. You have 3.73s so yours would be tighter making it even more dd friendly than mine.

**Young11b** · 10-26-2011, 11:04 AM

2800 is to small, I have a 2500 cuz of my stock rear end. I will be getting the 3600 once the new rear end is in

**Firebirdjones** · 10-26-2011, 12:40 PM

I'd go with something in the 3500 range.

**383ls6** · 10-26-2011, 04:04 PM

I've only ridden in a couple cars that had a stall. felt like the trans was slipping most of the time. lol. thanks for the input.

**godless-phoenix** · 10-26-2011, 04:18 PM

had my tranny rebulit the beginning of the year with a 2200-2400 stall. i was actually talking to the transmission guys about high stall tc's and he said it would be annoying as hell with a street car, but its good for racing. Guess it depends what your planning on doing with your car...i can only really feel it when im REALLY on it, when it shifts from 2nd to 3rd, and im glad i didnt get a higher stall, cause i knew i wouldve been irritated with it in my personal opinion, but i can feel why it would be good for racing applications...it does sort of feel like a slipping transmision, but i need to tweak the tune on my car a little so it shifts a little sooner from 2nd to 3rd. this is just my experience with tc's. i know ill probably get some flack about how much of a pussy i am for not getting a bigger stall, but whatever, its my car, ill do whatever the hell i want with it

**senicalj4579** · 10-26-2011, 05:09 PM

EVERY "transmission shop guy" will tell you a high stall is no good for the street.
After installing my ss3600 I cant believe how stupid easy it is to drive. Now I just wish sometimes I went with a 4000.
Its not until after you get the stall that you will know why most guys will say dont go below a certain stall speed. The best we can do is just tell you and help make the right choice so you dont have to do another stall. Believe me at least im happy I didnt go any lower than 3600 but at the same time im thinking about swapping it for a 4000.

**Firebirdjones** · 10-26-2011, 06:45 PM

Annoying on the street really doesn't apply to todays lockup style torque converters. That's the beauty of these lockup converters. Once up to speed there is no slip, it locks like a factory converter and you never know it's there. It's only doing it's job while going up through the gears, right where you want it to work. After that it's locked up like a stocker.

Not sure what you guys are complaining about, this is one instance where you have your cake and eat it too.

Try driving around with a 3800 stall (flashes to 4,000), no lockup, no overdrive, and 4.10 gears, then get back to me

**Firebirdjones** · 10-26-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by 383ls6

I've only ridden in a couple cars that had a stall. felt like the trans was slipping most of the time. lol. thanks for the input.

Well it's either that or keep driving your car with that camshaft pushing through the brakes. Honestly like I mentioned, a loose converter is a moot point in these cars. Since they lock up once up to speed, you have the best of both worlds.

**383ls6** · 10-26-2011, 06:52 PM

so my cars turning about 2800 rpm at a 70 mph cruise in od and with a 3600 stall because of the lockup feature i wont feel a difference? i guess i really dont understand fully how they work as ive never really dealt with them before.

**pajeff02** · 10-26-2011, 07:03 PM

I installed a 3,200 in our car this summer... could easily have stepped up to a 3,600. It was interesting the first couple of times I drove the car, but now I don't even notice it. Just be sure to install an auxilliary transmission cooler. Is this for your Z-28? If so, how are you tipping the scales at 4,200 lbs?! Even with you in the car, it can't be that much.

***Ed Blown Vert*** · 10-26-2011, 07:35 PM

Trust what they are saying. Don't go lower than 3200. And whatever you decide on. Go up one.
I started with a 3200, then upgraded to a 3600. You will want more once you get used to the stall which may take a week or so.

**383ls6** · 10-26-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by pajeff02

I installed a 3,200 in our car this summer... could easily have stepped up to a 3,600. It was interesting the first couple of times I drove the car, but now I don't even notice it. Just be sure to install an auxilliary transmission cooler. Is this for your Z-28? If so, how are you tipping the scales at 4,200 lbs?! Even with you in the car, it can't be that much.

going off the door placard plus i do have alot of stereo equipment(extra battery,3/4 mdf box,heavy subs)and im a pretty big guy lol. i do have a 26000 lb gvw trans cooler on the car already.

**383ls6** · 10-26-2011, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ed Blown Vert

Trust what they are saying. Don't go lower than 3200. And whatever you decide on. Go up one.
I started with a 3200, then upgraded to a 3600. You will want more once you get used to the stall which may take a week or so.

im gonna go for the 3600 stall. you guys are the reason this site is such a valuable source of information.

**Firebirdjones** · 10-26-2011, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by 383ls6

so my cars turning about 2800 rpm at a 70 mph cruise in od and with a 3600 stall because of the lockup feature i wont feel a difference? i guess i really dont understand fully how they work as ive never really dealt with them before.

That is correct. Your cruise rpm is unaffected, since the converter locks up it's a direct connection much like a clutch in a stick car. Doesn't matter what stall converter you use,,,,the lockup feature will always give you the same cruise rpm.
The converter on a stock tune will lock around 38 mph in 4th gear. That can be changed to anything you like in the tune. With a camshaft that mph usually gets bumped up a bit to avoid surging.

**godless-phoenix** · 10-26-2011, 08:31 PM

well i wish i knew more people, or anyone for that matter who drives our cars around here, especially with a high stall tc...i would have liked to drive one around to just see how they feel before i had made my choice when rebuilding my tranny. but i just dont have the money to be swapping torque converters in and out, haha... maybe ill go up to a higher stall when i have the funds after i pay off the car. the transmission rebuild cost a pretty penny. $1,300 for parts, and $1,100 for labor... they "beefed" it up with a high performance clutch kit, servo pistons, input shell/input drum assembly ("the beast" i believe its called), transgo shift kit, rebuilt the torque converter up to 2,200 stall rate, and im happy with it. seems solid enough for the way i drive and should last another 10 years haha...i was trying to talk them into a lockup tc in the 3,000 and up range, but they talked me out of it mainly cause it was gonna cost me more money, but i almost did get one, oh well, haha...

**pajeff02** · 10-27-2011, 03:50 AM

It is nice being able to go for a test ride in someone else's car to see what you think of certain mods. 02Sweet took me for a spin in his 4,000 stall Camaro last year. That was my first experience with a higher stall in an F-body and really helped when it came time to upgrade ours.

**senicalj4579** · 10-27-2011, 05:49 PM

My ss3600 locks up at 38mph and is just like stock from that point on untill you give it good throtle. I cant seem to find any mpg loss because whatever I lost for city (maybe 1-2mpg) it seems like it made up for it on the highway due to it being lighter. So, call me crazy but I actually feel my highway mpg went up a tad. This yank ss3600 is 96% efficient and I have no prob whatsoever with my stock 3.23s. Like I said before yours should feel "tighter" and even more streetable than mine because your running 3.73s