LS1 vs GT

[Mike0202]

It seems like the gap is slowly closing between the 98-02 ls1 cars and the newer mustangs. There is clearly no contest between an ls1 and a 5.0 or a 99-04 4.6. Most of the 05-09 GT's ive seen dyno 250-260rwh and run 13.4-13.7. Still not enough to beat our ls1's with an m6 dynoing 300-320 to the wheels. However in 2011 ford is planning to build a new 5.0L with "400 hp", so they say. If the weight stays the same will they finally be able to beat us ls1's? It would be about damn time lol.

[jaxredg8]

It seems like the gap is slowly closing between the 98-02 ls1 cars and the newer mustangs. There is clearly no contest between an ls1 and a 5.0 or a 99-04 4.6. Most of the 05-09 GT's ive seen dyno 250-260rwh and run 13.4-13.7. Still not enough to beat our ls1's with an m6 dynoing 300-320 to the wheels. However in 2011 ford is planning to build a new 5.0L with "400 hp", so they say. If the weight stays the same will they finally be able to beat us ls1's? It would be about damn time lol.

I just need a bigger shot!! LOL

[doozjamann]

If the mpg is not as good as the LS1. It's still a FAIL. But it will be progress Fords first 400hp car without FI.

[big hammer]

If the mpg is not as good as the LS1. It's still a FAIL. But it will be progress Fords first 400hp car without FI.

yeah--- the 400 hp still remains to be seen. but if they do it they'll finally beat a 98 f body. on top of that it might even be a good race for the new camaro due to it's weight advantage. if the camaro doesnt beat a mustang i dont know what i'll do... the world will no longer make sense!

[Mike0202]

yeah--- the 400 hp still remains to be seen. but if they do it they'll finally beat a 98 f body. on top of that it might even be a good race for the new camaro due to it's weight advantage. if the camaro doesnt beat a mustang i dont know what i'll do... the world will no longer make sense!

the z28 lives!!

[doozjamann]

the z28 lives!!

On life support for the moment.

[big hammer]

the z28 lives!!

i hope you're right but i'm not holding my breath.

[BLKCLOUD]

The Z28 - as envisioned with the blown LSA motor - isn't going to happen. Fine with me, as the LS3 is a fabulous powerplant (nothing better than an LS# IMHO) with great N/A potential, that simply needs something that weighs less than 2 tons to pull around. I'd prefer to see GM do a Z28 as a lighter weight, N/A version of the current car. They won't - but that would be my choice.

The 2011 GT will likely be in the 370-390 HP range. *If* the weight can be kept down to about what it is now (3550-ish), then it will be a very good match for a 3900 lb 2010/2011 SS. And something rather curious...all the magazine tests have the 2010 GT outhandling the 2010 SS. Not my cup of tea, but how long has it been since THAT has happened? With an "old tech" live axle even.

For all those beating your chest about your 98 F-body beating GT's from whenever....good on ya. However, you might want to consider that Ford's goal (like GM's, curiously enough) with the Mustang (including the GT) is to sell cars. They build what they think will sell. Seems they have succeeded where others failed (see 2003-2009 model years).

And before you start....I'm a big fan of the LS1 (or any LS-series engine), had a 99 T/A, and am quite aware of its potential.

PS....that dyno chart you have doesn't run down the track. Know what I mean?

[shady milkman]

this man speaks the truth ..touch his robe and you too may be healed

[karpetcm]

Well they may not have a N/A that pulls that amount yet but they do have 2010 stangs already at 400Hp factory supercharged option. Basically if there not underated should be about 335-345 rwhp. LS1 with full bolt ons should be able to keep up if not pull slightly since its a bit lighter. The N/A version if they come out with it might be lighter but who knows, Ford to me is soooooo many years behind they just sell cars on appeal basically what appeals to mass amounts of people and they do a very good job at that. They did really well with the cobra, well i thougth they did till i test drove 3 of them trying to convince myself to buy one and just couldnt do it. I dont know what in the world they talk about as far as it being a good daily driver car, lol.

[BLKCLOUD]

Well they may not have a N/A that pulls that amount yet but they do have 2010 stangs already at 400Hp factory supercharged option.

What? Which factory option is this?

[Zinergy]

If the mpg is not as good as the LS1. It's still a FAIL. But it will be progress Fords first 400hp car without FI.

lol why, the ls1 makes 350hp not 400hp.

[Zinergy]

The Z28 - as envisioned with the blown LSA motor - isn't going to happen. Fine with me, as the LS3 is a fabulous powerplant (nothing better than an LS# IMHO) with great N/A potential, that simply needs something that weighs less than 2 tons to pull around. I'd prefer to see GM do a Z28 as a lighter weight, N/A version of the current car. They won't - but that would be my choice.

The 2011 GT will likely be in the 370-390 HP range. *If* the weight can be kept down to about what it is now (3550-ish), then it will be a very good match for a 3900 lb 2010/2011 SS. And something rather curious...all the magazine tests have the 2010 GT outhandling the 2010 SS. Not my cup of tea, but how long has it been since THAT has happened? With an "old tech" live axle even.

For all those beating your chest about your 98 F-body beating GT's from whenever....good on ya. However, you might want to consider that Ford's goal (like GM's, curiously enough) with the Mustang (including the GT) is to sell cars. They build what they think will sell. Seems they have succeeded where others failed (see 2003-2009 model years).

And before you start....I'm a big fan of the LS1 (or any LS-series engine), had a 99 T/A, and am quite aware of its potential.

PS....that dyno chart you have doesn't run down the track. Know what I mean?

I really wanna see the z28 come and bring back the 454 but in a ls series design. 560hp/510trq N/A

[shady milkman]

I really wanna see the z28 come and bring back the 454 but in a ls series design. 560hp/510trq N/A

it already can..the lsx block can be ran as a 454..but your talking about bring the 454 back in a production car i assume ?

[Zinergy]

it already can..the lsx block can be ran as a 454..but your talking about bring the 454 back in a production car i assume ?

Yes. Sicne performance will be much more limited i nthe next couple years thanks to new restrictions they should go all out and bring back the legend that is the 454.

[karpetcm]

They tested that factory option on the TV show TEST DRIVE. You would have to request that option at a dealer and it bumps power output to 400hp.

[BLKCLOUD]

Please provide a reference that I can look at. www.fordvehicles.com (the official site for Ford Vehicles....ALL Ford factory vehicles) seems to be lacking any "option" for a blower. A dealer cannot "request" a blower be added to a Mustang from the factory.

The only factory blown Mustang is the GT500.

[BLKCLOUD]

Yes. Sicne performance will be much more limited i nthe next couple years thanks to new restrictions they should go all out and bring back the legend that is the 454.

There is no business case for that. If there was, GM would do it.

[karpetcm]

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co.../photo_22.html
Thats a blower you can buy specifically from ford to install and also have them install it for you. Its a non intercooled supercharger, the 400hp FRRP pack gave the GT 335rwhp and 308RWTQ. There is a 500HP pack as well for manuals only and it comes with everything you need. Basically im just sumarizing it but if you have a ford dealer install it there will be a limited warranty as well, either way here is another link. Id also like to correct my response up top i thought they tested but they just mentioned it in the program.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7635

[BLKCLOUD]

Ok. Ford has offered that package (or similar, or parts of) for many years for the Mustang - much like the hundreds of other parts that you can order from their catalog. http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/catalogs.asp

This would be little different than ordering a blower for your favorite GM through GM Performance Parts and having the dealer install it. http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/Parts/catalog.jsp

However, it is not a Ford factory option - it is something a car owner buys and has installed by the local mechanic at the Ford dealer or any other shop, or installs himself.

Big difference.