2010 SS vs bolt on 02 WS6

**Mike0202** · 08-24-2009, 10:25 AM

Here is a video I found. LS1 power is still amazing.

**Eric1987** · 08-24-2009, 11:06 AM

Damn nice runs...

**Mike0202** · 08-24-2009, 11:19 AM

wish that 10 was a 6 speed.

**Firebirdjones** · 08-24-2009, 11:23 AM

Considering the new camaro was the auto version with 400 HP it's about what I would have expected.

Guy in the TA didn't utilize his MT ET streets though (as it said in the begining) he came out slipping the clutch like he had stock rubber on there.

**Mike0202** · 08-24-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Considering the new camaro was the auto version with 400 HP it's about what I would have expected.

Guy in the TA didn't utilize his MT ET streets though (as it said in the begining) he came out slipping the clutch like he had stock rubber on there.

So the auto is 400 and the 6 speed is 426?

**Firebirdjones** · 08-24-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Mike0202

So the auto is 400 and the 6 speed is 426?

Something like that.

**Mike0202** · 08-24-2009, 11:30 AM

The 426 6 speed probably would have been extremely close then. That ls1 is probably making close to 400 with alot less weight.

**bluehawk2000** · 08-24-2009, 11:33 AM

the 1ss I believe at 400 6spd or auto then the 2ss are the 426hp is what I come to understand. Either way I expected to see the t/a wax that ass haha, just to prove that gm is overrating their damn cars, even ford is overrating their cars in the hp now. I believe they are doing that to sell them better. I remember reading some stuff about the c6 z06 they took a stock one and dyno'd it, even with the 6spd, it only put down on the dyno 416 horsepower to the wheels I believe it was. The gt500 didnt do so hot either it was in the low 400 its self.

**Bigdaddy** · 08-24-2009, 11:36 AM

I'm looking at getting a new SS. Maybe that one wasn't broken in yet

**Mike0202** · 08-24-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

I'm looking at getting a new SS. Maybe that one wasn't broken in yet

I really dont like how they look. Too big and heavy for my taste. I hope the z28 looks better and has that super charged caddy motor. Those 13.0 times really dont impress me seeing how alot of stock ls1s can hit that.

**Zinergy** · 08-24-2009, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mike0202

I really dont like how they look. Too big and heavy for my taste. I hope the z28 looks better and has that super charged caddy motor. Those 13.0 times really dont impress me seeing how alot of stock ls1s can hit that.

Most stock ls1s dont run 13.0 especially autos. The 426hp manual well hit 12.7s-12.8s once people start learning to drive them.

The 6 speed manual is the 426hp ls3 and the 6 speed auto is a l99 400hp engine.

**Mike0202** · 08-24-2009, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

Most stock ls1s dont run 13.0 especially autos. The 426hp manual well hit 12.7s-12.8s once people start learning to drive them.

The 6 speed manual is the 426hp ls3 and the 6 speed auto is a l99 400hp engine.

Yeah but still there have been 12.8 second ls1 cars. For me to spend 30k on an ss it would have to be running 12.0's all day.

**5abivt** · 08-24-2009, 02:39 PM

They're not overrated they're just very heavy. Weight kills everything.

**big hammer** · 08-24-2009, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Considering the new camaro was the auto version with 400 HP it's about what I would have expected.

Guy in the TA didn't utilize his MT ET streets though (as it said in the begining) he came out slipping the clutch like he had stock rubber on there.

just taking it easy on the diff--- losing a length on the street is worth not having to fix anything.

but if i lost the first race you bet i would have launched it harder!

**Firebirdjones** · 08-24-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by big hammer

just taking it easy on the diff--- losing a length on the street is worth not having to fix anything.

but if i lost the first race you bet i would have launched it harder!

Probably, just makes the stickies useless though. Why bother to put them on if you are afraid to hammer on the car???

Just my thoughts on it. As easy as he came out, a regular street tire would have held the car

**Firebirdjones** · 08-24-2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by bluehawk2000

the 1ss I believe at 400 6spd or auto then the 2ss are the 426hp is what I come to understand. Either way I expected to see the t/a wax that ass haha, just to prove that gm is overrating their damn cars, even ford is overrating their cars in the hp now. I believe they are doing that to sell them better. I remember reading some stuff about the c6 z06 they took a stock one and dyno'd it, even with the 6spd, it only put down on the dyno 416 horsepower to the wheels I believe it was. The gt500 didnt do so hot either it was in the low 400 its self.

GM isn't over rating their cars,,,,if anything, they are probably closer to being spot on.

What GM did do is UNDER RATE the LS1, as it has been shown a few times on the engine dyno that they make in the neighborhood of 400 hp at the flywheel in stock trim, which is why you see stockers put down 300+ at the wheels all the time.

Your C6 ZO6 comparison is also probably near spot on, as it's rated at 505 HP at the flywheel, by the time you figure in any drivetrain losses of 15% or so, plus the fact that every dyno is a bit different so there is a percentage of fudge factor there,,,it looks about right to me.

**Firebirdjones** · 08-24-2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mike0202

Yeah but still there have been 12.8 second ls1 cars. For me to spend 30k on an ss it would have to be running 12.0's all day.

Well that's about what people were spending for 4th gens when they were new

The majority of which were mid to high 13 second cars.

**big hammer** · 08-24-2009, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Probably, just makes the stickies useless though. Why bother to put them on if you are afraid to hammer on the car???

Just my thoughts on it. As easy as he came out, a regular street tire would have held the car

i had bfg kdw's on it before--- they were like spinning on ice.

plus half the "riding the clutch" you hear in the video is the clutch slipping trying to keep up to the tires

**Firebirdjones** · 08-24-2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by big hammer

i had bfg kdw's on it before--- they were like spinning on ice.

plus half the "riding the clutch" you hear in the video is the clutch slipping trying to keep up to the tires

I run BFG KDWS' (mud and snow version) on mine and cut 1.93 60 foot times with relative ease. I don't even air them down, as a matter of fact, I found they work best with more air.

**Mike0202** · 08-24-2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Well that's about what people were spending for 4th gens when they were new

The majority of which were mid to high 13 second cars.

That was then, this is now. The new ones SHOULD be able to spank a car that is over a decade old... I would think hahaha. IMO the difference should be like comparing an l98 to an ls1.