fog light bulb

**1MileCrash** · 03-31-2009, 11:38 AM

i'm looking at upgrading my headlights to silverstar ultras here shortly after i get the car out of storage.

the problem is that the stock fog lights will be a different shade due to light output than the new silverstar ultras.

the stock bulb is an 894, but i haven't seen any silverstar ultras in 894. are there any other bulbs that will fit that come in the silverstar ultra line that would work or no.

and if anyone has faced a similar issue and has come up with another bulb manufacturer i'd love to know that as well.

**GULLETT17** · 03-31-2009, 12:10 PM

i know i have the pilot xenons in my fog lights on the trans am and love em. a lot cheaper than silverstars too. does the camaro's have the same style fog bulb in them as the trans ams?

**1MileCrash** · 03-31-2009, 05:23 PM

i'm not sure

**levityinc3** · 03-31-2009, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by GULLETT17

i know i have the pilot xenons in my fog lights on the trans am and love em. a lot cheaper than silverstars too. does the camaro's have the same style fog bulb in them as the trans ams?

Negative. Different lights completely.

**Sarge91** · 04-04-2009, 11:17 PM

Yea, i bout the $35 silverstar low beams today. Much better than stock, but my fog light is different shade also. Subscribed.

**sct771** · 04-05-2009, 04:52 PM

My advice would be to buy an HID set for your fog lights. You can buy a set off ebay for $60 and they are awesome and much brighter. Just make sure you get ones that are 35 watt and not 55 watts so you don't melt your fogs.

**1MileCrash** · 04-05-2009, 07:57 PM

well...here's what i have so far.

http://www.autoaccessorystore.com/ho...d=4&mid2=82981

that is an 894 bulb in a couple of heat ranges.

also looking through here...

http://www.rallylights.net/hella/misc_bulbs.asp

it shows that the base on the 894 bulb is a PGJ12 base which is also used on the 881 bulb.

it also looks like the 880, 893, and 899 use the PG13 base which appears to have an identical connection to the PGJ12 base with the exception that the PGJ12 is at a right angle and the PG13 base is a straight base.

so if that's the case then the connection could still be made and it would be a wattage difference between the different bulbs in that case one could use the 880, 893, and 899 bulbs in place of the 894 (or 881).

i can also try and take a closer look at the bases of the various bulbs at work tomorrow nite if we aren't too horribly busy.

*** update ***

and dinking around a bit more i came up with this here...

bulb.............wattage
880..............27 W
881..............27 W
893..............37.5 W
894..............37.5 W
899..............37.5 W

so that would lead me to go ahead with the idea that if the above bulbs can be used interchangeably due to the similarity of their bases (except for the straight vs right angle) that the best bulb to go with would be the 893 as a replacement because it is the same wattage and it comes in the silver star line.

of course there is the other link where i did find 894 bulbs in the same range as the silver star ultra (6000)...but well...we'll see what we get from my e-mail to sylvania.

**1MileCrash** · 04-05-2009, 08:13 PM

i also sent the following message to sylvania which it said would get a response in 3-5 business days...so hopefully by the end of this coming week.

"I am looking to get Silver Star Ultra headlights for my car but am unable to find Silver Star Ultra fog lights for the same vehicle.

The stock fog lights are an 894 bulb which I see uses a PGJ12 base (the 881 bulb also uses this same base). The difference between the two bulbs apparently comes down to the wattage.

I have also seen where bulbs 880, 893, and 899 use the PG13 base which apart from being a straight design (rather than the PGJ12 base being a right angle design) appears to have the same connection. Is this correct or not?

As I've stated, I would like to put Silver Star Ultra's in my car, but not if I can't get them for my fog lights (I don't want the colors appearance to be different between the fogs and the headlights.) I also see that the 880 and 893 bulb come in the Silver Star line, but again this is a slightly lesser performance line than the Ultra and these bulbs use the PG13 base verses the PGJ12 base which I am uncertain about.

If there is any information that you could provide to me regarding this I would be most grateful (as would several other people that are also quite interested in this information.)

I am also curious if the Silver Star Ultra line is going to be expanded to include more fog lights such as the 894 bulb in the future or if the current line is where it is slated to stay.

Thank you very much."

**9t8z28** · 04-06-2009, 04:47 AM

Damn! Good research!

**9t8z28** · 04-06-2009, 04:47 AM

What do you all mean about the fog's being a different shade?

**1MileCrash** · 04-06-2009, 05:20 AM

here's a chart by what i mean...

http://www.sylvania.com/content/disp...x?id=003696562

when you compare a standard halogen at 3100k to a silverstar at 4000k the standard halogen appears a bit yellowish as opposed to the silverstar appearing more white. this is due to a higher lumen output in a slightly different visible light range.

then you move into some of the higher hid ranges...6000k is a bright white, 8500k is a bluish, and 12000k is purplish.

that's what i mean by the shade of the bulb. if you have silver stars or ultras as headlights and a standard halogen for the fog not only will you have lower light output from the fog light but the fogs will appear yellowish compared to the headlights.

here's a good example.

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60439

scroll down to post #4. great looking car i'm not saying that it's not but take notice of the upgraded headlights verses the stock fog lights.

**1MileCrash** · 04-06-2009, 10:39 AM

and today the very generic although very quick response from sylvania...

Thank you for your inquiry,
We do not offer any of the 800 series bulbs in the SilverStar Ultra
line, however I will share this query with our Aftermarket Product
Marketing group. They're always very interested to hear about market
needs and if feasible, they may take further action to provide such an
item in the future. We invite our consumers to check back with us
every few months and we'll be happy to share any product development
that we're aware of.

Regards,
Customer Service

**1MileCrash** · 04-07-2009, 04:27 AM

well the 894 bulbs have tabs on either side which the 880 and 893 bulbs don't have. at that point i'm not sure that bulbs other than 894's would work.

**shady milkman** · 04-07-2009, 04:40 AM

BE CAREFULL! i melted my housing using the silerstars ..i cant remember what number..but for that nice color to match..your going to be running hotter..and run the risk of melting your housings

**1MileCrash** · 04-07-2009, 04:56 AM

i've had silverstars in my monte carlo for over 2 years with no problems.

**shady milkman** · 04-07-2009, 05:25 AM

hey just letting you know..its a common prob for t/a's at least..melts right where the bulb mounts..

**1MileCrash** · 04-07-2009, 10:21 AM

nah that's kool. i've heard a lot of people have had problems but i've never had an issue.

**The Guz** · 04-07-2009, 01:09 PM

I installed a set of 893 silverstars in my fog lights for my camaro. As stated the base is a bit different but the bulb fits and works. The 893 does not have the clip but they do stay in the socket. I have not had any issues with the lens melting.