Wyotech...

**speedthatkillz** · 10-15-2008, 04:06 PM

ok might not be the best thing to talk bout but i have been talkin to them an lookin into actually takin a course im wantin to get into the engine performance program an was wonderin if anyone has gone threw this an able to give some advice. i jus dont wanna spend the next 40 yrs of my life doin a job jus to pay the bills i wanna do something i love an cars are def the way for me. jus need to start now before i get to old lol.. thanks for any help

**LT1 > LS1** · 10-15-2008, 08:00 PM

well, what isnt it about $30,000 for like 9 months????

thats crazy. you can find a local vocational program that'll get you learned for way less....

just my .02

**RAWPWR3** · 10-15-2008, 08:56 PM

You cant compare a vocational school to a technical institution like wyotech or uti, IMO. If youre 100% positive that you wanna do this as a career, then by all means i would tell you to go for it. But if youre just going to learn more about cars and do it as a hobby, i would recomend the voc school, unless you have 30 grand to spend like mentioned above. Every 3 weeks, we get a new group of about 30 kids come through here, and i cant tell you how many of them just go through the program just for the hell of it, then when they graduate, they decide its not what they wanted to do and they just end up with 30,000 dollars worth of debt and they didnt even get the most out of it that they could because they were dickin' around and shooting the shit with their ricer buddies talking about poppin' vtec. But seriously, you have to decide whats best for you, i went through wyotech's motorcycle course when it was only 5 months long and i loved it, and i did that for me personally. Now im going through uti's auto program, but im going to work in the field after im done, and thats where this type of higher education really pays off. Good luck with youre decision.
Yulian

**BlueMagicSS** · 10-15-2008, 11:42 PM

It's 30k for 18 months... at least that's what I paid. I graduated with a degree and I learned a lot... I would've learned a lot more had I been working in the field. If you want to take the course for engine perfomance make sure it's for engine performance and not just the regular repair classes. There are things you don't learn but mostly you learn the fundamentals. the greater bulk of your learning is actually in the field.... just my .02

**MaxPlusTen** · 10-16-2008, 04:19 AM

I went through the program at the blairsville wyotech... if i had it to do over again i wouldnt. Dont get me wrong, i did lear a little, but as stated above, you will learn most of your knowledge in the field. Trust me, i know wyotech makes it sound glitsy and glamerous... the street rod and high performance programs (at blairsville atleast) are a joke. The other thing i will tell you now, even though they gaurentee employment i can assure you ive been out for 3 years now and ive only ever had one offer from wyotech which would have required me to relocate to another state. Honestly places like lincoln tech, or local vocation schools will teach you the same amount of information for way less money. I wish someone would have told me all this before i went in.

On a side note: blairsville as a town sucks so bad that there are no words i can type to truely give you a good sence of what that place is like. The locals hate you because your a tecker, the renters steal your money, there isnt a good looking girl for miles and miles and miles, and its pretty much the sausage fest to end all sausage fests.

**speedthatkillz** · 10-16-2008, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by MaxPlusTen

I went through the program at the blairsville wyotech... if i had it to do over again i wouldnt. Dont get me wrong, i did lear a little, but as stated above, you will learn most of your knowledge in the field. Trust me, i know wyotech makes it sound glitsy and glamerous... the street rod and high performance programs (at blairsville atleast) are a joke. The other thing i will tell you now, even though they gaurentee employment i can assure you ive been out for 3 years now and ive only ever had one offer from wyotech which would have required me to relocate to another state. Honestly places like lincoln tech, or local vocation schools will teach you the same amount of information for way less money. I wish someone would have told me all this before i went in.

On a side note: blairsville as a town sucks so bad that there are no words i can type to truely give you a good sence of what that place is like. The locals hate you because your a tecker, the renters steal your money, there isnt a good looking girl for miles and miles and miles, and its pretty much the sausage fest to end all sausage fests.

thanks for the heads up. i mean its wat a wanna do as a career move but havent had a job wit any expeirnce jus wat ive done in my garage. i def want to be in the performance part of the auto feild but if u say u have gone threw it an didnt learn a shit load or even get a decent job offer it sounds like a waste of time. ill have to check more into local tech schools if their are any in ohio???? i have actually sat down with a wyotech rep an talked bout Blairsville classes of performance an was gonna be like $25,000 or around their for like 9 months u kinda make it sound like its not worth it..

**MaxPlusTen** · 10-16-2008, 10:44 AM

Im gonna tell ya what someone told me... it dosent matter how much schooling you have on high performance... the only way to get in the field is either a) know someone, or b) be damn good and have lots of experience. Dont believe the wyotech guys when they say ittl be easy to get a job in the high performance industry. Out of the 60 some guys i know that went through the program, i know of 1 whos actually working in a high performance shop (kinda). He got employed with ferrari... but he knew someone too. Most of the guys ive talked to arent even in the automotive field anymore. I know 2 or 3 who are working steady jobs as techs at dealerships. Me, i paint cars but i didnt learn that through them. Also if they try to sell you on the applied service management programs theyre offering know this... the associates degree they offer you is not a full associates. Its also no transferable (other colleges/universitys wont recognize it) Im currently working towards a full buisness associates degree. If ya have any questions feel free to ask man, like i said i was up there for a year in that hell hole so i know it pretty well

**Crimson Sin** · 10-16-2008, 10:55 AM

Just a head's up. Lots of places (mechanical repair facilities) pass on Wyotech etc graduates due to lack of experience or hire them for GS duties ( General Service). I agree training is good. Just don't expect to get a degree and walk into a 20 dollar an hour job.. Stealer.. Err Dealerships are worse on hiring practices then independant shops..A combination of hands on and book learning is preferable... but hard to do sometimes. I wish you best of luck. At least you aren't waiting til yer old to get on it... Like I did

**Hi-Po** · 10-16-2008, 12:26 PM

Been there, done that.

I went to NADC, (Nashville Auto Diesel College). Although there were only 30 girls so you can NOT call it a college. It is a trade school, and thats it.

My advice is, do not pay that much money to learn that trade. I went for Diesel engine, light/heavy duty rear end's, light/heavy duty transmissions, Gas engines, fuel system blah blah blah.

Also I went for High Performance Gas engine's and cylinder heads. That was fucking sweet. But I couldnt find a job close to me doing anything in that field with decent pay. Like other's said, go to a local school, pay much less and learn all that stuff. I learned a shit load, and it landed me a good, steady job at Caterpillar making 20+ dollars an hour with full benefits. Did I mention I hate my job though?

Make absolutely 100% sure that you want to turn wrench's your whole life. Its NOT glamorous. I guess wrenching on that shit I do is different than the average mechanic(100,000+ LBS machine at least).

Just make sure this is where you want to spend your money, and its definitely what you want to do forever.

**MaxPlusTen** · 10-16-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Hi-Po

Been there, done that.

I went to NADC, (Nashville Auto Diesel College). Although there were only 30 girls so you can NOT call it a college. It is a trade school, and thats it.

My advice is, do not pay that much money to learn that trade. I went for Diesel engine, light/heavy duty rear end's, light/heavy duty transmissions, Gas engines, fuel system blah blah blah.

Also I went for High Performance Gas engine's and cylinder heads. That was fucking sweet. But I couldnt find a job close to me doing anything in that field with decent pay. Like other's said, go to a local school, pay much less and learn all that stuff. I learned a shit load, and it landed me a good, steady job at Caterpillar making 20+ dollars an hour with full benefits. Did I mention I hate my job though?

Make absolutely 100% sure that you want to turn wrench's your whole life. Its NOT glamorous. I guess wrenching on that shit I do is different than the average mechanic(100,000+ LBS machine at least).

Just make sure this is where you want to spend your money, and its definitely what you want to do forever.

Awesome point... ill admit it, i did the dealership thing for awhile and hes right... its not glamerous at all.

**speedthatkillz** · 10-16-2008, 02:32 PM

thanks for the advice. i agree that thier will be alot of wrench turning kinda why id want to be in the performance part of it not all wrench turning i would say. ill have to look more into local schoolin an get some experience before i go all out an do the wyotech or uti thing. hardest thing is findin a job but not to worried bout havin to relocate especially if were talkin flordia lol.

an when it comes to a more local an less expensive schoolin im not really findin one around me in the cincinnati/dayton area..

**310stanger** · 10-16-2008, 02:37 PM

I've said it once, I'll say it again. GO TO FUCKING VOTECH IN HIGH SCHOOL! I loved it, and it was free. If you are gonna pay to go to school, go to the nearest community college with factory training and get yourself a real degree while you're at it. Wyotech and UTI are for HYPEBEASTS! The dealers I've worked for have purposely avoided hiring kids from those 2 schools and wont even talk to lincoln tech guys. Its sad cause the kids paid at their nose in loans for years from those forementioned places as well.

You will never learn anything in school remotely relevant to what you learn with a steady job in the dealership. They promise you the world and never explain the political aspects of working in a dealer. That part has a lot to do with how much money you are gonna make. Lots of guys go to those schools and get a good starting rate and then in a month they get told to hit the bricks because they can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Theres jus no way you are gonna learn eveyrthing you need to know in the time you are at these schools, and you sure as shit wont retain it all. Go to votech, get primered, get a lube tech job, hope to get lucky and become friends with the top techs at the dealer and hope one of them will take you under his wing. I owe nearly everything I know to who is now one of my best friends, a master ford tech from my last job. Thats when the real learning begins. Lets say you do go to one of those expensive schools and get hired......... Leave the cocky attitude at the door. Bring that shit into the dealer and the older guys are gonna send you home crying. I promise you

**310stanger** · 10-16-2008, 02:38 PM

Also for the performance guys, by all means pursue performance. I kinda wanna go that route myself. But learn repairs and general stuff first. I doubt any performance shop is gonna want people that dont know basic shit.

**irbaboon** · 10-16-2008, 02:46 PM

shit if you think wyotech is bad, go to lincoln tech. i wasted 15 or 17k there and was telling the teachers they were wrong all the time and i don't even know that much. They just talk out their ass. Plus the only job out of there that anyone could get was a car jockey. i learned so much more working in a body shop, with a boss who taught me hands on.

**Hi-Po** · 10-16-2008, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by irbaboon

shit if you think wyotech is bad, go to lincoln tech. i wasted 15 or 17k there and was telling the teachers they were wrong all the time and i don't even know that much. They just talk out their ass. Plus the only job out of there that anyone could get was a car jockey. i learned so much more working in a body shop, with a boss who taught me hands on.

You went to school for body work? Thats why. If there is any more of a waste of money at these schools than learning to wrench... its learning to do body work. Thats a complete waste.

**WARP211** · 10-16-2008, 03:55 PM

If you wanna get into high performance stuff, then i would rec. going to a tuner class to learn the basic in tuning performance. they have schools that will teach you the ropes its only a 3day class. I never went to that type of school. i did go to seqoia tech. which is in cali. They got bought out by wyotech. I did the whole program less than 30k. but that was years ago.. it keeps going up every couple months.

To put in simple terms. you're gonna have to learn the basics somewhere. either at a community college,insititute, or a buddy that know his shit.. Alot of my buddies that went didn't take the program serious. But I have a couple that did and they work for some dealerships and some good ones like BMW. If this is something you want then you gotta take this serious thats the only way to succeed. And it also depends on the teachers if you got teachers that know their shit thats a plus.. but you got some teachers that don't know shit..

**Killer305** · 10-16-2008, 11:57 PM

I too went to wyotech and blairsville. I left college (poor choice) and did the Chassis fab/high performance engines course. First half the kids where fresh out of highschool, and decied to go to the middle of nowhere to party. The rest where a mix of morons, older people, a few backyard redneck know it all types, and people with little experience but fairly knowledgeable. The Instructors would tell us how much money they made working as a tech, but yet all quit to work a 25k a year teching job. The material was a couple copied books. The comp cars (or whatever they are) where hacked pieces of shit. The building and grounds are maintained by the students. The town was described to a T above, I saw more attractive women on the ride from logan airport, to a hotel in downtown boston (maby 4 miles) @ 8pm on a tuesday, than in 9 months in Blairsville. Their job assistance program consisted of you sending out a templated resume/cover letter to 30 random companies. And one last thing, watch for lies from the recruiter. One kid was told wyotech had snowmobiles for the students, and numerous other false claims.
So to sum it up in a single sentence, you do not want to attend any trade schools, unless its a 5K class at your local Comunity college.

**B34M3R** · 10-17-2008, 12:54 AM

Don't, don't, DON'T ever consider UTI. I can't claim to know about WyoTech, but I do know that UTI are a bunch of money hungry bastards who will screw you hard. Aside from the textbook(which was actually really good, I still have it) you are basically throwing lots of $$$ for very, VERY little returns.

**MaxPlusTen** · 10-17-2008, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Killer305

I too went to wyotech and blairsville. I left college (poor choice) and did the Chassis fab/high performance engines course. First half the kids where fresh out of highschool, and decied to go to the middle of nowhere to party. The rest where a mix of morons, older people, a few backyard redneck know it all types, and people with little experience but fairly knowledgeable. The Instructors would tell us how much money they made working as a tech, but yet all quit to work a 25k a year teching job. The material was a couple copied books. The comp cars (or whatever they are) where hacked pieces of shit. The building and grounds are maintained by the students. The town was described to a T above, I saw more attractive women on the ride from logan airport, to a hotel in downtown boston (maby 4 miles) @ 8pm on a tuesday, than in 9 months in Blairsville. Their job assistance program consisted of you sending out a templated resume/cover letter to 30 random companies. And one last thing, watch for lies from the recruiter. One kid was told wyotech had snowmobiles for the students, and numerous other false claims.
So to sum it up in a single sentence, you do not want to attend any trade schools, unless its a 5K class at your local Comunity college.

When were you there? I was there from oct 05-sept 06, wondering if i knew you. I forgot to mention the text books... fucking redicoulous you pay all that money and they give you paper hand outs in a binder (THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY!) Towards the end of my stay there they were starting to get actual books but ive seen the quality of them and i wasnt impressed.

**RAWPWR3** · 10-17-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by 310stanger

I've said it once, I'll say it again. GO TO FUCKING VOTECH IN HIGH SCHOOL! I loved it, and it was free. If you are gonna pay to go to school, go to the nearest community college with factory training and get yourself a real degree while you're at it. Wyotech and UTI are for HYPEBEASTS! The dealers I've worked for have purposely avoided hiring kids from those 2 schools and wont even talk to lincoln tech guys. Its sad cause the kids paid at their nose in loans for years from those forementioned places as well.

You will never learn anything in school remotely relevant to what you learn with a steady job in the dealership. They promise you the world and never explain the political aspects of working in a dealer. That part has a lot to do with how much money you are gonna make. Lots of guys go to those schools and get a good starting rate and then in a month they get told to hit the bricks because they can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Theres jus no way you are gonna learn eveyrthing you need to know in the time you are at these schools, and you sure as shit wont retain it all. Go to votech, get primered, get a lube tech job, hope to get lucky and become friends with the top techs at the dealer and hope one of them will take you under his wing. I owe nearly everything I know to who is now one of my best friends, a master ford tech from my last job. Thats when the real learning begins. Lets say you do go to one of those expensive schools and get hired......... Leave the cocky attitude at the door. Bring that shit into the dealer and the older guys are gonna send you home crying. I promise you

I totally agree with what you said 310stanger, ther are alot of people that go to these schools just to get out of the house or cause they think they want to work on cars, but in reality, they just end up screwing off cause they think they know everything, and in the end those are the guys you here stories about in the field that totally screw things up just out of plain ignorance, or go work in an auto parts store. But something i must say is that although you learn alot in the field from actually applying what youve learned, if you pay attention in school and actually learn what they try to teach you, things like properly diagnosing an intermitent driveability problem can only be learned in school and would take a long time to try and figure out by yourself in the field.

Originally Posted by B34M3R

Don't, don't, DON'T ever consider UTI. I can't claim to know about WyoTech, but I do know that UTI are a bunch of money hungry bastards who will screw you hard. Aside from the textbook(which was actually really good, I still have it) you are basically throwing lots of $$$ for very, VERY little returns.

And as for what B34M3R said, i dont know what campus you went to, but im in the orlando campus in central florida, and although there are a bunch of ricers here and orlando is a big sh!t hole, the knowledge i have acquired is simply amazing! And most of the instructors here are of the highest caliber. Although it is alot of money like i said, its only worth it imo if youre going to work in the field after, especially for a manufacturer, which is what im doing. But if you are just doing it for youself as a hobby, then i would recomend a cheaper alternative.
Yulian